Bobby Carpenter Injured

[Hostile]

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing:



Instead of defending your post, you simply attack mine (which does not surprise me). Hostile is in full spin cycle mode. This will be good

You want me to defend my post? Okay.

Here's what I said...

He's on crutches on the sidelines.

This is a kid I really want in the Draft. Now he might fall to us.

I really hate injuries though.

Let's start with the on crutches part. By all means deny this and I'll mop the floor with you.

Moving on to the statement that I really want this kid in the Draft. You telling me that I don't? Please try that.

Moving on to "might" fall to us. Obviously I must be thinking he's slotted higher on the draft boards than we are choosing. Is it the word "might" you object to? Check your dictionary Mr. Reading Comprehension and you'll find that it doesn't mean definite. Reading lesson is free of charge.

Finishing with the statement that I hate injuries. You going to challenge me on that one too? You must think you're some kind of a mind reader along with a physical therapist/physician.

Spin mode? No, that would be how fast you changed opinions when 3 posters told you how silly yours was. You practically stripped your gears.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You want me to defend my post? Okay.

Here's what I said...



Let's start with the on crutches part. By all means deny this and I'll mop the floor with you.

Moving on to the statement that I really want this kid in the Draft. You telling me that I don't? Please try that.

Moving on to "might" fall to us. Obviously I must be thinking he's slotted higher on the draft boards than we are choosing. Is it the word "might" you object to? Check your dictionary Mr. Reading Comprehension and you'll find that it doesn't mean definite. Reading lesson is free of charge.

Finishing with the statement that I hate injuries. You going to challenge me on that one too? You must think you're some kind of a mind reader along with a physical therapist/physician.

Spin mode? No, that would be how fast you changed opinions when 3 posters told you how silly yours was. You practically stripped your gears.

I did not see him on crutches, right after he went to the locker room I switched over to the OU/TT game. So my statement still stands, I did not see any reason to think it was a serious injury at the time, considering he was requring no assistance off the field or into the locker room. He's a tough SOB if it really was a fracture, most guys wouldnt have run off the field that fast or without any help.

I never said you didnt want this kid in the draft

As far as falling to us, I really doubt this guy will be taken high in the first unless he has a monster camp. However, thats your opinion and I dont have a problem with it. Its that you assumed way to much (and I did too thinking it wasnt as bad as it was). It was also the fact that you implied you dont think a worse injury drops a plyayrs status more than a smaller injury.

Again, I never said you didnt hate injuries, who doesnt?

And my opinion did not change because of other posters, it changed because the injury turned out to be worse than it looked and because when I made the post, I had not seen him on crutches/in a cast or any other evidence to suggest it was a severe injury.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing:



Instead of defending your post, you simply attack mine (which does not surprise me). Hostile is in full spin cycle mode. This will be good

Ayep.

That was good.

 

[Glenn Carano]

Carpenter being visibly upset or crying does not mean that it's a serious injury or he's done for the season. If he knew he couldn't come back and play in this game, that's enough for him to get emotional. This is MICHIGAN vs OHIO ST! This is his last game in the rivalry.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Carpenter being visibly upset or crying does not mean that it's a serious injury or he's done for the season. If he knew he couldn't come back and play in this game, that's enough for him to get emotional. This is MICHIGAN vs OHIO ST! This is his last game in the rivalry.

Another good point

 

[LaTunaNostra]

That was good.

And you are bad.


I don't like Michigan...dang, they just scored.

 

[Hostile]

I did not see him on crutches, right after he went to the locker room I switched over to the OU/TT game.

My 1st post said he was on crutches. Did you assume my eyes were playing tricks on me, or that I was lying?

So my statement still stands, I did not see any reason to think it was a serious injury at the time, considering he was requring no assistance off the field or into the locker room. He's a tough SOB if it really was a fracture, most guys wouldnt have run off the field that fast or without any help.

Let's analyze this against what you said. You said...

Hostile, I hardly think one injury in the last game of his senior season is going to affect his draft status.

Emphasis I suppose on the "I hardly think" part of that.

Injuires not affecting draft status is a new one.

As far as falling to us, I really doubt this guy will be taken high in the first unless he has a monster camp. However, thats your opinion and I dont have a problem with it. Its that you assumed way to much (and I did too thinking it wasnt as bad as it was).

You just admitted you switched games and weren't watching and didn't see him on crutches and therefore couldn't have heard the commentary about it. I didn't.

Yet, I "assumed" too much?



Okay Doc, if you say so.

It was also the fact that you implied you dont think a worse injury drops a plyayrs status more than a smaller injury.

Actually I didn't imply that at all. You said injuires in the last game of their Sr. year wouldn't hurt their draft status. I used the example of Chris Canty because he was hurt after the season and his status dropped.

I can use hundreds of injuries to validate what I said. You can't.

And my opinion did not change because of other posters, it changed because the injury turned out to be worse than it looked and because when I made the post, I had not seen him on crutches/in a cast or any other evidence to suggest it was a severe injury.

Auntie Em, Auntie Em, it's a twister, it's a twister!!!

As soon as Silverbear and dbair agreed with me you went from to backpedaling. But of course that didn't have anything to do with them settign you straight. Of course not.

I still gotta wonder about the fact you're ignoring the crutches comment of my very first post.

Quit while you're behind.

 

[The30YardSlant]

My 1st post said he was on crutches. Did you assume my eyes were playing tricks on me, or that I was lying?

Let's analyze this against what you said. You said...

Emphasis I suppose on the "I hardly think" part of that.

Injuires not affecting draft status is a new one.

You just admitted you switched games and weren't watching and didn't see him on crutches and therefore couldn't have heard the commentary about it. I didn't.

yet, I "assumed" too much?



Okay Doc, if you say so.



Actually I didn't imply that at all. You said injuires in the last game of their Sr. year wouldn't hurt their draft status. I used the example of Chris Canty because he was hurt after the season and his status dropped.

I can use hundreds of injuries to validate what I said. You can't.

Auntie Em, Auntie Em, it's a twister, it's a twister!!!

As soon as Silverbear and dbair agreed with me you went from to backpedaling. But of course that didn't have anything to do with them settign you straight. Of course not.

I still gotta wonder about the fact you're ignoring the crutches comment of my very first post.

Quit while you're behind.

Again, when I said I hardly think it will affect his status, I was still under the impression that he was not injured seriously. Had his leg snapped in half, it would be a different story. I never said injuries dont affect draft position, that is you putting words in my mouth.

When you made your post, there was no mention of what his injury was. Therefore, it was an assumption on your part. Nice try, but I'm fairly certain you didnt have copies of his x-rays.

And you dont think I can validate the statement that worse injuries drop you more? Please, PLEASE, challenged me on that, you wont be physically able to post for a week after the beating that will ensue.

As for you implying that worse injuries dont drop you more:

You cannot counter the fact that an eye injury will drop a guy faster than just about any other injury, especially when they dont know how it will turn out before they draft him.

If you say so HH. I mean you know better than anyone else if an injury will hurt draft status. I was talking about how an injury dropped a guy's draft status. If you need to separate types of injuries as some kind of useless justification for a stupid statement be my guest.

Ever heard of the Combines in Indianapolis? Did you know that Team Doctors put these players under a microscope?

Did you know those Doctor's reports affect how high a player is slotted?

Stick with me, I'll get you there yet. If I have to bust out the occasional passing tree so be it.

Spin away

 

[Hostile]

Again, when I said I hardly think it will affect his status, I was still under the impression that he was not injured seriously. Had his leg snapped in half, it would be a different story. I never said injuries dont affect draft position, that is you putting words in my mouth.

I directly quoted you. You qualified it by saying his last game as a Senior. That has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

When you made your post, there was no mention of what his injury was. Therefore, it was an assumption on your part. Nice try, but I'm fairly certain you didnt have copies of his x-rays.

Having been on a sidelines on crutches I had a better than average shot that i was right.

Unreal.

And you dont think I can validate the statement that worse injuries drop you more? Please, PLEASE, challenged me on that, you wont be physically able to post for a week after the beating that will ensue.

As for you implying that worse injuries dont drop you more:

I never went there. You want to go there that's fine. I called your assertion an injury in his final game not hurting his draft status a load of hooey.

Spin away

You can try and do damage control all you want. 3 posters called you on your assertionand you backed off. Everyone knows who's spinning.

Dizzy yet?

 

[Hiero]

silly arguments aside, I still am not sure Carpenter is going round 1.

 

[Hostile]

silly arguments aside, I still am not sure Carpenter is going round 1.

I think he drops to round 2 or 3.

 

[T-New41]

What a great game though. If we cant land Hawk, I would not mind Carpenter at all. I like that DT from Michigan (dont know his name, but he was disrupting the backfield all day) too. Great day of college FB. I was switching between TT/OU and Michigan/Ohio State. I like Slay from TT and Dvorak (DT I dont know if I got that right) from OU is pretty impressive.

I havent seen much of Santonio Holmes, but he played a very solid game today. The center for Ohio State who got hurt early on seems like a nice OL prospect. I would really like to see our O-line get addressed very heavily this draft.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually, if it's season ending, his draft status will be affected by a round, even two... unless it's an injury that he can recover from entirely by shortly after the bowl season, IOW in time for the combines and Pro Day workouts... with solid performances to show he's all better, he could regain his original draft grade...

But by the sound of things so far, this sounds like something that will still be bothering him when the Combines and Pro Days run around... and that will almost assuredly hurt his draft status...

Think about it, that's EXACTLY how it worked for Chris Canty; when he got hurt late that season, he was considered a likely first round prospect, he wound up being a fourth rounder... to me, this situation could play out in a similar manner (again, depending on bad an injury it is and how long it will take him to get healthy)...

Canty also got hit in the eye as the result of a bar-room brawl that he wasn't apart of, that happened a couple of months before the draft, which aroused character concerns, I don't think his knee really concerned people as much as the aforementioned, but your point is valid

 

[junk]

Injury or not, I'd still love to see Dallas land Carpenter. If this injury keeps him out of the combine, it will definitely affect his draft position.

Landing Carpenter in 2 or 3 would be highway robbery IMO. He is custom fit to play the strong side opposite Ware. Move Burnett inside and let Fujita rotate in for both Carpenter and Ware. Not to mention that Carpenter could drop a hand and rush the passer during nickel situations.

A scheme for linebackers with playmaking linebackers. It would be great.

Heal quick Carpenter.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Heal quick Carpenter.

no, take your time and nurse it baby! drop a round or 2 to us

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Im not particularly high on Carpenter, I dont hate him jsut not real high, but he does seem like a Parcells pick all the way.

 

[Hostile]

Injury or not, I'd still love to see Dallas land Carpenter. If this injury keeps him out of the combine, it will definitely affect his draft position.

Landing Carpenter in 2 or 3 would be highway robbery IMO. He is custom fit to play the strong side opposite Ware. Move Burnett inside and let Fujita rotate in for both Carpenter and Ware. Not to mention that Carpenter could drop a hand and rush the passer during nickel situations.

A scheme for linebackers with playmaking linebackers. It would be great.

Heal quick Carpenter.

If this guy is there when we pick in the 3rd I will be jumping up and down in anticipation.

Canty was a major steal. Here's another one of that caliber.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I hate to say it, but I don't think NFL teams are going to be making the same mistake they did with Canty, hope we pounce on him in the 2nd...after we draft OG/OT Max Jean Giles of Georgia

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

You've got to be kidding.

Does the name Chris Canty mean anything to you?

You can only hope.

 

[scottsp]

Happens every year. With a few kids.