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Nobody would be against a dominant DT, but it's also one of the easiest positions to get by with a JAG.

Yes, a dominant DT can change the game (and gameplan), but how many of them are out there? Can you find one on Amazon? The good ones are not available very often. When's the last time the likes of Donald, Chris Jones, Vea, Wilfork, etc. was available in FA? Even Fletcher Cox, who is past his prime, wasn't made available this offseason. Who was the marquee guy this offseason? DreMont Jones? Hargrave? That's $17M-$21M a year. Too high for a RB, too high for a safety, and too high for a DT who isn't Donald/Jones.
 

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Nobody would be against a dominant DT, but it's also one of the easiest positions to get by with a JAG.

Yes, a dominant DT can change the game (and gameplan), but how many of them are out there? Can you find one on Amazon? The good ones are not available very often. When's the last time the likes of Donald, Chris Jones, Vea, Wilfork, etc. was available in FA? Even Fletcher Cox, who is past his prime, wasn't made available this offseason. Who was the marquee guy this offseason? DreMont Jones? Hargrave? That's $17M-$21M a year. Too high for a RB, too high for a safety, and too high for a DT who isn't Donald/Jones.
There's a pretty wide gap between dominant DT and what we are trotting out there. I am not asking for a dominant DT at this point. I am not asking for them to trade for Donald.

But how about go out and sign a Robinson or Ford? A good, quality DT instead of hitting the bargain bin for the likes of Watkins? How about invest a real draft pick in a DT over the years?

The excuse making for the front office continuing to mismanage the position is weird to me.
 

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The odds they draft one in this draft isn't exactly high.

And no, throwing a 4th round pick at a DT isn't a highly successful way of addressing the DT issues.
The odds on them being able to draft Lamb was less than 10%. It is pretty silly to be stressing over this after 1 week of free agency. Especially after they have traded for Gillmore and Cooks and signed some solid players.
 

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The odds on them being able to draft Lamb was less than 10%. It is pretty silly to be stressing over this after 1 week of free agency. Especially after they have traded for Gillmore and Cooks and signed some solid players.
Lamb fell to them. Unless the legal issues around Carter make him fall, we are not going to have an opportunity to draft an elite DT in this draft.

It's also not stressing. It's a sports message board where people constantly talk about all things about their team. The lack of DTs is an issue.

But since you seem to be the rule maker, when can we talk about DT? Can you set the DT discussion calendar for us?
 

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There's a pretty wide gap between dominant DT and what we are trotting out there. I am not asking for a dominant DT at this point. I am not asking for them to trade for Donald.

But how about go out and sign a Robinson or Ford? A good, quality DT instead of hitting the bargain bin for the likes of Watkins? How about invest a real draft pick in a DT over the years?

The excuse making for the front office continuing to mismanage the position is weird to me.
I think the front office views DT based on how well they can rush the passer. If they can they'd pull the trigger and draft 1 high but the majority are limited in this area and so they just can not comprehend their importance.
 

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Lamb fell to them. Unless the legal issues around Carter make him fall, we are not going to have an opportunity to draft an elite DT in this draft.

It's also not stressing. It's a sports message board where people constantly talk about all things about their team. The lack of DTs is an issue.

But since you seem to be the rule maker, when can we talk about DT? Can you set the DT discussion calendar for us?
I'm pretty sure that you can't identify who will become the best dtackle in this draft. If I did it, it would probably be just luck. I'm am confident in Dan Quinn and McClay coming up with something good. You certainly can talk about it, but to be freaking out about it and thinking that they aren't working on it is ridiculous. You should be thrilled on what they have done so far. They have already accomplished a lot and they are working on dtackle, running back, tight end, oline, and more. They have 7 draft picks and they very well could hit on the dtackle that you crave.
 

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I'm pretty sure that you can't identify who will become the best dtackle in this draft. If I did it, it would probably be just luck. I'm am confident in Dan Quinn and McClay coming up with something good. You certainly can talk about it, but to be freaking out about it and thinking that they aren't working on it is ridiculous. You should be thrilled on what they have done so far. They have already accomplished a lot and they are working on dtackle, running back, tight end, oline, and more. They have 7 draft picks and they very well could hit on the dtackle that you crave.
Front office hasn't come up with anything "good" at DT for years but for sure, this is the time! Let's also note that you were one of the guys defending what they did at WR this past offseason while most of us knew they were messing it up. Sure enough, those fans were right and midseason the Cowboys were in scramble mode for WR help.

I expect much of the same - nickel and diming the position and then some project in the draft. They've shown zero desire to take the position seriously for years, not sure why I should start assuming they will do it now. I'll gladly admit I am wrong if they do something worthwhile at the position.
 

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Front office hasn't come up with anything "good" at DT for years but for sure, this is the time! Let's also note that you were one of the guys defending what they did at WR this past offseason while most of us knew they were messing it up. Sure enough, those fans were right and midseason the Cowboys were in scramble mode for WR help.

I expect much of the same - nickel and diming the position and then some project in the draft. They've shown zero desire to take the position seriously for years, not sure why I should start assuming they will do it now. I'll gladly admit I am wrong if they do something worthwhile at the position.
The front office hadn't won 12 games in back to back seasons in decades. They just did.
 

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How many teams in the nfl off the top of your head would Osa be the best DT on? 5? Fewer? How many would he even start on? 10?There are 6-8 better DT’s in the NFCE alone. Fewer yet that Gallimore or Bohanna would start for.

To say it’s one of the NFL’s most neglected iDL’s isn’t an overstatement, it’s one of the NFL’s most neglected groups overall in recent history. No 1st rounders in a quarter century at DT, only team in the nfl not to do that. Last major FA acquisition was La’Roi Glover 20 years ago. He’s probably still the highest paid DT in cowboys history(maybe Jay Ratliff, which was still 15 years ago). At this point it’s not just neglect, it’s methodical. Jerry doesn’t believe in the position being an asset to nfl success.
I said they’re not one of the worst and you’re asking which one is top 5?
 

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I said they’re not one of the worst and you’re asking which one is top 5?
Huh?

Where did you get he was asking about a Top 5? He basically said that Osa might be the best DT on only 5 teams in the league.
 

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Those are the DTs on your roster right now. Throw in Golston if you want. It doesn't change anything.

That's one of the worst DT rotations in the NFL. That's not even debatable at this point. I am going to beat the ever living pulp out of this dead horse over and over. What in god's name are they thinking at DT at this point?

No, bringing back Hankins and Watkins doesn't change much.
Watkins is under rated. I would like Hankins, Watkins and a couple upgrades over Gallimore and Bohannan.

We actually played the run pretty well vs the Whiners in the playoffs, but I agree DT is our biggest weakness!!
 

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Watkins is under rated. I would like Hankins, Watkins and a couple upgrades over Gallimore and Bohannan.

We actually played the run pretty well vs the Whiners in the playoffs, but I agree DT is our biggest weakness!!
Watkins is a throw up the hands guy for me. Having him on the roster isn't my issue.

My issue is having him on the roster TO BE A STARTER. He's not a quality starter. He, like Osa, are decent rotational guys to have and have value, in that role.
 

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I’m comfortable with Tank, Armstrong, Williams and possibly Fowler.

Clark will want big money and is a bone head
Fowler is a bone head on the field. Clark is a playmaker on the field and a bone head off the field.
Clark signed over Fowler would be great if the money worked out!!!
 

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Those are the DTs on your roster right now. Throw in Golston if you want. It doesn't change anything.

That's one of the worst DT rotations in the NFL. That's not even debatable at this point. I am going to beat the ever living pulp out of this dead horse over and over. What in god's name are they thinking at DT at this point?

No, bringing back Hankins and Watkins doesn't change much.
Last season the WR corp looked like this. There big idea to fix it was to sign TYHilton off the couch.

the FO is usually a day late and a dollar short in recognizing and reacting to obvious deficiencies
 

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Watkins is a throw up the hands guy for me. Having him on the roster isn't my issue.

My issue is having him on the roster TO BE A STARTER. He's not a quality starter. He, like Osa, are decent rotational guys to have and have value, in that role.
I agree with your earlier point, the DT’s were a weakness at times throughout the season. Our run defense was really bad at times. Maybe we win the division with better DT play!! Philly ran it right down our throats in the 1st game right after we made it a close game.
 

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We are below "middling talent" at this point.

I can list 20 teams, at least, that have at least one DT much better than anything we have. There are teams that have 2 better than anything we have.
I agree….you probably could but it’s still not much better than ours lol.
 

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I agree….you probably could but it’s still not much better than ours lol.
The DTs we have under contract right now?

Absolutely it’s much better. Arguably two of our three best DTs from last year aren’t under contract - Watkins and Hankins.
 

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That list reads like the Fearsome Foursome.

And the ones in fear are the Cowboy fans.
 
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