Book growing on Dak?

Trouty

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That is absolutely not true. Romo sees the game many, many levels above where Dak does. In fact, there are only a small handful of QBs who ever achieve Romo's understanding of reading defenses.

Dak is having success because of the incredible time he's getting and because he has the best running game in football. Dallas is out-executing everything, so no magic is needed from the QB. Linehan is doing a great job.

In fact, Mark Sanchez could play well in this system right now. Dak is doing a great job of playing composed and making the plays needed. But he doesn't see the game like Romo. Not even remotely close.

Erod, you had me until the last paragraph. Sanchez never needs to see the field, we saw last season what happens when he hand the reigns off to inept QB's (Sanchez is probably better than Cassel and Weeden, but what does that get us, 2 more wins? 6-10? We had a rushing attack and didn't have Dez, so the parameters are similar).

Also, Dak is magical. :)
 

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Trouty. You will not agree..but Prescott is a better technical and fundamentals QB than Romo...NOW. He reads the defenses much faster and makes better decisions. He only lacks NFL experience.
Dak is a really good and promising QB for the future no doubt but I will have to disagree that Dak is better fundamentally than Romo, if Romo was the same age as Dak now 23, with the same skill players on the team now I would take a young Romo over Dak every week and wouldn't think twice about it. I will say Dak does have better fundamentals than all the rookie QBs taken before him in this draft.
 
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The difference is he isn't playing in a gimmicky offense unlike those 3 you mentioned above. Linehan and Garrett have him operating from the pocket running a "traditional" passing offense, steadily adding more snaps from under center. Obviously we don't know for sure but Dak's weaknesses appear to be those that should improve greatly with experience, reps and familiarity within a system.

the route trees are largely the same throughout the NFL and the types of pressures and defenses they face are the same. Traditional or gimmicky (Commanders and pre-Chip Niners are gimmicky?) you still have to be able to make all the the throws. Different schemes can certainly help hide some QB deficiencies but that's where the opposition comes in and takes that away,,, if they can.
 

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Dak may make the safer reads, but that limits our offense because he doesn't take any chances, and sometimes you need to take chances. And He definitely doesn't read the field as fast as Romo can. That's why Romo can make presnap adjustments because he understands what he sees out there.
Dak is playing very efficiently and that is all anyone could ask for especially given he's a rookie but sometimes some fans amaze me with their comments so now 6 games into his young career he's a better QB than Tony, as you mentioned Dak is making safer reads with the football and Tony is in a totally different stratosphere when it comes to what defenses are doing even though Dak, is learning this part of the game. Some fans don't want to admit this but at some point this season Romo, will be on the field and he does open up the offense a lot more with his experience in this scheme and for those who say that Romo will mess up the "team chemistry" need to realize it wasn't Romo's injury that forced Dak into the starting role it was actually Moore's injury that has Dak starting. So iow Moore would now be the starting QB had it not been for his leg injury in TC, the question is would the team be 5-1 with Moore?, that would be a resounding no and those same fans who is hollering "team chemistry" would be begging for Tony's return. This is not a shot at Dak he is doing a phenomenal job at QB and looking forward to the future of the franchise with him as starter and for those fans and those in the media alike who wants to see Romo, traded after this season it won't happen he will be here for at least another year or two before they decide what to do with his contract and that is why we're fans on the outside looking in because we truly don't know how important an asset a person could be take Leary for example most fans wanted him gone and now "sign him to a contract because he's better than Collins" in the end we as fans have to be careful in saying who we want gone because whether they like or not Romo is a huge asset to the team's success.
 
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teams tony room played and the rank of points andyards allowed
Carolina: 8th in points allowed 7th in yards allowed
Washington: 27 in points 31 in yards
Arizona: 29 in points allowed 29 in yards allowed(30th in passing yards)
Indy: 23 in points allowed 21 in yards(2nd in yards passing)
Tampa: 21 in points allowed 17 in yards (19 in yards, 30 in td passes. room had 5 in game)
Giants: 24 in points allowed 25 in yards (28th in passing yards)
Saints: 13 in points 11 in yards 93rd in passing yards. no wonder romo stunk in this game.)
Atlanta: 15 in points allowed 22 in yards (29th in passing. no wonder Romo was great in this one)
Eagles: 15 in points 15 in yards(9th in passing yards. Christmas day disaster from romo.
Lions 30 on points 28 in yards (25th In passing yards. romo beat up on another bum!)
 
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Though I favor playing Romo, the media is not giving Dak a fair shake. Eric Davis completely tried to debunk the Prescott performance, as if other QBs don't "leave points on the field", too.
 

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Dak is playing very efficiently and that is all anyone could ask for especially given he's a rookie but sometimes some fans amaze me with their comments so now 6 games into his young career he's a better QB than Tony, as you mentioned Dak is making safer reads with the football and Tony is in a totally different stratosphere when it comes to what defenses are doing even though Dak, is learning this part of the game. Some fans don't want to admit this but at some point this season Romo, will be on the field and he does open up the offense a lot more with his experience in this scheme and for those who say that Romo will mess up the "team chemistry" need to realize it wasn't Romo's injury that forced Dak into the starting role it was actually Moore's injury that has Dak starting. So iow Moore would now be the starting QB had it not been for his leg injury in TC, the question is would the team be 5-1 with Moore?, that would be a resounding no and those same fans who is hollering "team chemistry" would be begging for Tony's return. This is not a shot at Dak he is doing a phenomenal job at QB and looking forward to the future of the franchise with him as starter and for those fans and those in the media alike who wants to see Romo, traded after this season it won't happen he will be here for at least another year or two before they decide what to do with his contract and that is why we're fans on the outside looking in because we truly don't know how important an asset a person could be take Leary for example most fans wanted him gone and now "sign him to a contract because he's better than Collins" in the end we as fans have to be careful in saying who we want gone because whether they like or not Romo is a huge asset to the team's success.

Thank you. Finally somebody talking sense :clap:
 

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Though I favor playing Romo, the media is not giving Dak a fair shake. Eric Davis completely tried to debunk the Prescott performance, as if other QBs don't "leave points on the field", too.
Of course Erod anyone who is QB for the Dallas Cowboys, will get the same treatment all of the other QBs before him Prescott just got a small taste from Davis of what's to come from media prognosticators and fans alike as they say the Cowboys are huge ratings.
 

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Trouty. That play to Bryant should never been called. The Cowboys needed a first down only..better to pass it to Witten or a slot reciever...Let Murray run. Get closer...kill more clock.Tony made tbe worst possible call...no doubt changed it at the line. If Bryant scores, which he didn't...there was almost 5 minutes left in the game and the ball back in Rodgers hands. This is the bad judgement that people have always blamed Romo for. The worst call at the worst time. That throw to Bryant was unexplainable. That type of call will be Tony Romo's legacy.

The Packers took that away. They were not going give up the short pass to Witten or the slot receiver or allow the run. Watch the play again.

Come on man.
 

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Absolutely correct, don't forget, it took over three seasons before Romo was ever trusted to throw his first regular season pass.

However, the greatest, most critical difference will be shown in January.

Tony Romo's achilles heal is revealed in the most important play of the season, the one that absolutely has to be made by Romo, the play that determines if there is another game to play.

He has never made that play. Dak will make that play which is why he must continue to start.
plasticman with the strawman comments.

Just the last time they played in January....led the entire league in QB rating in the playoffs.
2 games:
  1. Game-winning drive and TD pass in the first round playoff game....the very definition of "that play"
  2. Late game go-ahead pass vs GB in the 2nd game....overturned. But no denying that the pass was there.

Plus the SO MANY other times he has delivered on game-winning drives
 

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It doesn't matter how big the book gets on Dak. Handing the ball to Zeke is simple bread and butter football.
 

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Of course Erod anyone who is QB for the Dallas Cowboys, will get the same treatment all of the other QBs before him Prescott just got a small taste from Davis of what's to come from media prognosticators and fans alike as they say the Cowboys are huge ratings.
I'm not sure where you're coming from with this. Dak has had almost universal praise showered on him since he became the starter. It's been refreshing to see a Cowboys QB get this much love again.
 

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Dak is playing very efficiently and that is all anyone could ask for especially given he's a rookie but sometimes some fans amaze me with their comments so now 6 games into his young career he's a better QB than Tony, as you mentioned Dak is making safer reads with the football and Tony is in a totally different stratosphere when it comes to what defenses are doing even though Dak, is learning this part of the game. Some fans don't want to admit this but at some point this season Romo, will be on the field and he does open up the offense a lot more with his experience in this scheme and for those who say that Romo will mess up the "team chemistry" need to realize it wasn't Romo's injury that forced Dak into the starting role it was actually Moore's injury that has Dak starting. So iow Moore would now be the starting QB had it not been for his leg injury in TC, the question is would the team be 5-1 with Moore?, that would be a resounding no and those same fans who is hollering "team chemistry" would be begging for Tony's return. This is not a shot at Dak he is doing a phenomenal job at QB and looking forward to the future of the franchise with him as starter and for those fans and those in the media alike who wants to see Romo, traded after this season it won't happen he will be here for at least another year or two before they decide what to do with his contract and that is why we're fans on the outside looking in because we truly don't know how important an asset a person could be take Leary for example most fans wanted him gone and now "sign him to a contract because he's better than Collins" in the end we as fans have to be careful in saying who we want gone because whether they like or not Romo is a huge asset to the team's success.


Pretty good post... I just don't get the glossing over a potential chemistry issue. You state that if Moore were QB, we wouldn't be as successful which I agree with. Well obviously if we're not successful and losing games a move back to Romo would be a non issue. I don't think chemistry issues concern Tony's familiarity with our personnel or likeability. It's more of a concern of disruption of the exact chemistry Dak has developed and his imprint of the huddle, play calling etc.. In other words the winning formula we've developed under his leadership and playing style. Removing the head of the snake "COULD" disrupt our current formula in numerous ways which are not obvious to the naked eye.
 

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I'm not sure where you're coming from with this. Dak has had almost universal praise showered on him since he became the starter. It's been refreshing to see a Cowboys QB get this much love again.
No doubt SD he's been getting his fair share of praise by the media what I meant was that playing QB for the Cowboys is the most scrutinized position in the world of sports and he will get his fair and unfair share of criticism as well.
 

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Pretty good post... I just don't get the glossing over a potential chemistry issue. You state that if Moore were QB, we wouldn't be as successful which I agree with. Well obviously if we're not successful and losing games a move back to Romo would be a non issue. I don't think chemistry issues concern Tony's familiarity with our personnel or likeability. It's more of a concern of disruption of the exact chemistry Dak has developed and his imprint of the huddle, play calling etc.. In other words the winning formula we've developed under his leadership and playing style. Removing the head of the snake "COULD" disrupt our current formula in numerous ways which are not obvious to the naked eye.
That is the best part about this whole thing is if Romo gets in and is not the same guy as 2014 in which I don't expect him to be because each year is different if he comes in and be the Romo we expect him to be then Dak can sit and learn and grow into a even more polished QB, and if he's a shell of his former self and is turning the ball over frequently then they can go right back to Dak as we know having 2 good QBs is a nice problem to have.
 

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Why not? Haley is the man and offers an amazing counterpoint.

And most of us love Dak.

Can fans not discuss our QBs without it "not going well" ie being objective and realizing both of their strengths?

Actually, you're right.

Some fans are incapable of such a conversation, so you have a point, but for a different reason than you alluded to (I assume).
I guess Reality is going to have to create a "Most Tactful Poster" award now that you're here, Trouty.
 

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Trouty. That play to Bryant should never been called. The Cowboys needed a first down only..better to pass it to Witten or a slot reciever...Let Murray run. Get closer...kill more clock.Tony made tbe worst possible call...no doubt changed it at the line. If Bryant scores, which he didn't...there was almost 5 minutes left in the game and the ball back in Rodgers hands. This is the bad judgement that people have always blamed Romo for. The worst call at the worst time. That throw to Bryant was unexplainable. That type of call will be Tony Romo's legacy.
Wow so that was a bad read by Tony in that situation to throw that pass to Dez iirc Tony, after they were robbed of that play explained on a radio show that due to the defensive alignment that the Pack was in that took away anything underneath so he read what they were doing and Dez at the moment was the right read and he wasn't even the first read on that play it is how the Packers played coverage dictated where Tony threw the ball so Dez 1 on 1 with Shields was the ideal read in that situation don't understand your logic about Tony making a bad decision that day because it was not.
 

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Trouty. That play to Bryant should never been called. The Cowboys needed a first down only..better to pass it to Witten or a slot reciever...Let Murray run. Get closer...kill more clock.Tony made tbe worst possible call...no doubt changed it at the line. If Bryant scores, which he didn't...there was almost 5 minutes left in the game and the ball back in Rodgers hands. This is the bad judgement that people have always blamed Romo for. The worst call at the worst time. That throw to Bryant was unexplainable. That type of call will be Tony Romo's legacy.

So much wrong with this comment. :facepalm:
 
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