Both Sides Lost in this Divorce:

[davidb257]

I do wish that the Romo-to-Owens connection could have lasted longer than it did. I yearn to see what Owens and Williams could have done together for a season. But I've also long believed you're dancing with the devil when adding Owens to your team and that he has a short shelf life anywhere. I felt this when I was vehemently FOR his signing. Unfortunately, the end finally came this offseason. His personality -- good, bad or indifferent; his fault or the media's -- and image simply wears on a team. I think that's undeniable.

I agree, I also wish it could have lasted longer, as a good QB/WR relationship should. However, Owens could have been a lot, lot worse. He could have done to Romo what he did to McNabb or Garcia.

I feel Romo didn't do enough to pull Owens aside, talk to him like a man and decide they were both in Dallas to try and win championships, EGO's aside. It could have been solved as simply as that.

 

[Cochese]

That didn't lose the game sir. Romo was DIRECTLY involved in a Cowboy playoff failure. TO hands are clean of that one buddy. Blame the rain.

again, go grease his cheeks on the bills forum.

 

[davidb257]

It would be if our QB could complete anything.

Romo didn't seem to have a hard time completing passes to a wide open 6'5 bulldozer of a tight end in Witten over the middle while T.O was running routes 20 yards up field dragging the focus of the entire secondary with him.

Its tougher when people know you can't beat em over the top. Romo seems to be showing us he can't do it without the help of an elite WR calling for double teams.

 

[fannypack]

again, go grease his cheeks on the bills forum.

loolz

 

[fannypack]

Romo didn't seem to have a hard time completing passes to a wide open 6'5 bulldozer of a tight end in Witten over the middle while T.O was running routes 20 yards up field dragging the focus of the entire secondary with him.

Its tougher when people know you can't beat em over the top. Romo seems to be showing us he can't do it without the help of an elite WR calling for double teams.

Well we don't have that elite WR calling for double teams and we've already given up the house for the one we thought could potentially draw them, atleast in TO's absence. Big fail there.

Now what? We attribute all of Romos faults on not having an elite #1? We need a QB who can complete a pass to an open WR and we need an OC who isn't an idiot.

 

[RainMan]

I agree, I also wish it could have lasted longer, as a good QB/WR relationship should. However, Owens could have been a lot, lot worse. He could have done to Romo what he did to McNabb or Garcia.

I feel Romo didn't do enough to pull Owens aside, talk to him like a man and decide they were both in Dallas to try and win championships, EGO's aside. It could have been solved as simply as that.

Very possibly so. Jones' emasculating of Romo with the whole "Romo-friendly" offense certainly did little to sway the opinion Romo wasn't/isn't the sort of leader to do that to a player.

But, on the flip side, it could also be said no quarterback should have to worry about the crap hitting the fan like a QB inherently does with T.O. around. I think it personifies walking on eggshells.

Unfortunately, without those eggshells, Romo is showing to be a worse player.

I'm on the record as saying that I think T.O. is clearly on the decline and I question how much longer, if at all, he could have helped us as a top-flight receiver. I'm also sitting here today wishing we had more ability at the wideout position.

So wherever that leaves me....

 

[RainMan]

Well we don't have that elite WR calling for double teams and we've already given up the house for the one we thought could potentially draw them, atleast in TO's absence. Big fail there.

Now what? We attribute all of Romos faults on not having an elite #1? We need a QB who can complete a pass to an open WR and we need an OC who isn't an idiot.

Luckily, the man picking his nose in your sig has all the answers.

In a Jeopardy-style of answering, at least.

 

[davidb257]

Well we don't have that elite WR calling for double teams and we've already given up the house for the one we thought could potentially draw them, atleast in TO's absence. Big fail there.

Now what? We attribute all of Romos faults on not having an elite #1? We need a QB who can complete a pass to an open WR and we need an OC who isn't an idiot.

What we really need is smarter more accurate play from Romo and a more balanced attack from our offensive coordinator.

That and stout defense will win games. If our defense begins to click and our running attack is healthy with Romo making good decisions through the air, we will make the playoffs. Once that happens, we can let our playmakers decide how far they want to go.

 

[fannypack]

I say we bring back Pacman to play WR, Hester style.

 

[stilltheguru]

Very true. But do you not agree that he brought a bad element to this team with all the media distractions? Even if they weren't his fault (that's a separate argument) they did exist and they circled around him.

Frankly, I don't think this team is anywhere mentally tough enough to have dealt with another season of what they endured last year drama-wise. Heck, they weren't tough enough to handle it last year. If this were the Lakers with Phil Jackson in charge or the Patriots with Belichick, I don't think I'd have wanted him gone. I'd have had confidence the team could deal with his personality. Not so with what we have.

TO did bring alot of unwanted attention, but cmon! Mike Irvin was running tricks in and out of his hotel rooms sniffin 8 balls like air. In practice he was on point. In games he was on point. So he complained if he didn't get the ball sometimes. Does Garrett not know how to talk to people? If that's the case why do some of the geniuses on the board want him to be the coach?

Modern day NFL players are in alot of ways just like TO, so if you can't relate to him, go away. Stand up to him like a man like Singletary did Vernon Davis and things will go alot smoother. Davis is of course the niners number 1 recieiver basically right now. He may have not liked how Davis handled himself, but hes not stupid. Get the ball to your playmakers, but at the same time man up

 

[fannypack]

TO did bring alot of unwanted attention, but cmon! Mike Irvin was running tricks in and out of his hotel rooms sniffin 8 balls like air. In practice he was on point. In games he was on point. So he complained if he didn't get the ball sometimes. Does Garrett not know how to talk to people? If that's the case why do some of the geniuses on the board want him to be the coach?

Modern day NFL players are in alot of ways just like TO, so if you can't relate to him, go away. Stand up to him like a man like Singletary did Vernon Davis and things will go alot smoother. Davis is of course the niners number 1 recieiver basically right now. He may have not liked how Davis handled himself, but hes not stupid. Get the ball to your playmakers, but at the same time man up

Should we install an 8 ball dispenser on each of the players lockers?

 

[Cochese]

TO did bring alot of unwanted attention, but cmon! Mike Irvin was running tricks in and out of his hotel rooms sniffin 8 balls like air. In practice he was on point. In games he was on point. So he complained if he didn't get the ball sometimes. Does Garrett not know how to talk to people? If that's the case why do some of the geniuses on the board want him to be the coach?

Modern day NFL players are in alot of ways just like TO, so if you can't relate to him, go away. Stand up to him like a man like Singletary did Vernon Davis and things will go alot smoother. Davis is of course the niners number 1 recieiver basically right now. He may have not liked how Davis handled himself, but hes not stupid. Get the ball to your playmakers, but at the same time man up

lol at comparing the playmaker to the player. laughable.

 

[RainMan]

TO did bring alot of unwanted attention, but cmon! Mike Irvin was running tricks in and out of his hotel rooms sniffin 8 balls like air. In practice he was on point. In games he was on point. So he complained if he didn't get the ball sometimes. Does Garrett not know how to talk to people? If that's the case why do some of the geniuses on the board want him to be the coach?

Modern day NFL players are in alot of ways just like TO, so if you can't relate to him, go away. Stand up to him like a man like Singletary did Vernon Davis and things will go alot smoother. Davis is of course the niners number 1 recieiver basically right now. He may have not liked how Davis handled himself, but hes not stupid. Get the ball to your playmakers, but at the same time man up

I must admit the idea of Wade Phillips "manning up" to Owens intrigues the hell out of me. Perhaps we can make this happen via Twitter.

I understand and can appreciate your comparison to Irvin, but I think the difference between he and T.O. is that Irvin's problems (off the field) rarely ever affected the team on the field. It wasn't until his four-game suspension that that really happened. Owens, by contrast, is a saint off the field. But he can wreak havoc in a locker room and between the lines that Irvin never would.

And you can't just say it's because Romo is a weak leader unlike Aikman. Owens has done this everywhere he's been, and to a number of quality QBs.

Frankly, if Owens were out getting arrested every offseason but the perception that he tore apart the locker room didn't exist, I have no doubt he'd still be here....for what that's worth.

 

[stilltheguru]

lol at comparing the playmaker to the player. laughable.

Distractions are distractions. If you can't deal with a reciever asking for the ball all the time pick another profession. I remember seeing Carson getting into it with C Johnson on the sidelines one game. You think it wasn't all love right after the game? Romo and Garrett are both spineless individuals and it shows. I doubt ever played a sport a day in your life anyway. You would'nt understand what I'm saying.

 

[stilltheguru]

All i know is that these people in order need to go.


Wade
Garrett
Roy
Bradie James
Spears
Romo *doesn't need to go, but he needs to grow a pair at some point*

 

[fannypack]

And this hasn't been mentioned but I'll say it now.

Anyone noticed there seems to be slight segregation on the sideline. It's not really noticeable with any particular players other than the fact that I hardly ever see Romo over there talking to Roy or Crayton about something.

Roy and Crayton seem to be chums. Hell, they both like talking, no surprise there. Wouldn't doubt it if they're bad mouthing Romos inability to get them the ball. Dunno, that's just stuck out to me and struck me as odd.

 

[Cochese]

Distractions are distractions. If you can't deal with a reciever asking for the ball all the time pick another profession. I remember seeing Carson getting into it with C Johnson on the sidelines one game. You think it wasn't all love right after the game? Romo and Garrett are both spineless individuals and it shows. I doubt ever played a sport a day in your life anyway. You would'nt understand what I'm saying.

ive played plenty of sports. comparing the ultimate teammate and champion to the ultimate team destroyer and zero makes me laugh so hard my sides hurt. you should be ashamed to call yourself a cowboys fan after trying to compare the player to michael irvin.

 

[thechosen1n2]

its obvious now and it was then. getting rid of him was a mistake and made no sense

i dont think romo was made by owens nor did i think going into this year we would be a terrible team without him. romo as does this team has lots of talent.

but a player like owens especially in garretts scheme is almost vital. he drew 2 players with him in coverage often.

player like T.O. dont grow on trees. his abilities often masked some of the poor playcalling by jason. even with owens not putting up numbers that were huge last yr his ability to draw double coverage shouldve opened up things for everyone yet at times it seem the complete opposite even with roy there

this is when you have to seriously question the scheme. the probllems with our wr and scheme are showing more so know that no one in the core is respected enough as of yet to demand that type of respect from the defense

only fools would look at owens now and what hes doing in buffalo to try and discredit his talent

they fired their offensive coordinator right before the season and was left with a head coach who for the last several seasons was bashed for being unimaginative and poor in his offensive play calling

add to that he has a avg at best qb behind a shaky offensive line that for some reason decided to ship away its best lineman in the off-season

are yall going to tell me lee evans who is also struggling to is washed up?

evans is one of the most talented wr in the league and would easily prosper in a change of scenary. he is struggling cuase hes facing the same factors i stated owens does. both are highly talented recievers who are stuck on a bad team

this is why i said along with many of my friends that owens jump to early to find a team. he wanted to get right back in the mix after being cut and his options were few. had he waited im sure a better situation wouldve opened up for him

imagine if he had waited until the cutler deal went down. didnt he sign with buffalo before hand? as desperate as they were at wr, even following the plaxico situation to see if they could get him im sure they wouldve made a move for owens. owens acted to fast when he signed with buf

They are gonna try to use his stats to make themselves feel better about wanting him gone. The fact of the matter they hate on jerry, but they would do no better as GM if they would have made that same decision.

 

[thechosen1n2]

yeah, he was leading the league in drops instead...what

with 15, 13, and 10 TDs (without a qb for 3 games, and romo suckin for another 3).

you sir are being ridiculous. OWENS is better than anyone we have at receiver whether he is top 5, 10, 15, or 20.

 

[boyzjunkie]

ive played plenty of sports. comparing the ultimate teammate and champion to the ultimate team destroyer and zero makes me laugh so hard my sides hurt. you should be ashamed to call yourself a cowboys fan after trying to compare the player to michael irvin.

Beyond high school?