Boys 2014 cap situation is a trainwreck

[MartinRamone]

Not worried about cap space, teams can play around and get under it.

 

[Risen Star]

Running the cap and running the team are two different things entirely.

When the CEO makes a bad decision, do you blame the CFO?

I guess in your world you do.

Stephen Jones is in charge of our salary cap. Our salary cap is a yearly abortion. Stephen Jones gets the blame.

Where am I losing you, Mikey?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Stephen Jones is in charge of our salary cap. Our salary cap is a yearly abortion. Stephen Jones gets the blame.

Where am I losing you, Mikey?

Obviously you have no compression of "Chain of Command".

 

[ManicDepressiveMan]

I hope the world's oldest, richest, two year old and his son are happy with the results that their fantasy football team has gotten them.

 

[Risen Star]

Obviously you have no compression of "Chain of Command".

LOL. Sure I do. The guy in charge of something gets the blame. I don't pretend something went on behind the scenes to prevent him from doing his job. How could you possibly know such a thing?

 

[Risen Star]

I hope the world's oldest, richest, two year old and his son are happy with the results that their fantasy football team has gotten them.

Hey, it beats the alternative. Where ~gasp~ somebody else gets some credit for the team winning.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

LOL. Sure I do. The guy in charge of something gets the blame. I don't pretend something went on behind the scenes to prevent him from doing his job. How could you possibly know such a thing?

Jerry says "do this" and Stephen does the best he can with the parameters given.

I don't see that as a stretch.

 

[AbeBeta]

The Cowboys will redo Romo's contract and either Carrs or Wares to get us under the cap max. I know this gets old and will someday bite the Cowboys in the butt when Ware or someone else can't play anymore and we have to pay them a final payment of 20 million or so for their last year and they won't even be on the field.

Romo's is a planned rrestructure. Well clear 10 mill right there.

 

[Risen Star]

Jerry says "do this" and Stephen does the best he can with the parameters given.

I don't see that as a stretch.

So Stephen is now powerless in the organization? I get confused. Aren't you one of the guys who tells us Jerry doesn't strong arm his coaches? But he does his VP of Personnel?

I won't excuse poor performance. Stephen has been as inept in his responsibilities as Jerry has at his. In terms of results, Mike. Not some scenario I created in my head.

 

[theebs]

Are you guys actually arguing about who the gm is and the cap number an hour before kickoff?

 

[dallasdave]

LET'S GO BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THE EGIRLS. GO COWBOYS

 

[Doomsay]

For crying out loud. It's stunning that people don't understand the advantages of restructuring. The NFL encourages it by providing teams the equivalent of an interest-free loan that also gives teams a great deal of flexibility.

This threads always crack me up. This season, we were nailed with an unfair cap penalty and tagged Spencer, and yet we still found a way to sign Waters, extend Lee, and have spare money to roll over into next season. Yes, some seasons we won't be able to go crazy like when we signed Carr, but we'll always be able to extend our guys and sign needed FAs to fill holes.

The free loan analogy doesn't really work, especially in relatively stable league-wide cap environment. There really isn't a carrying cost / borrowing cost of "cap" dollars. Teams are essentially on a fixed budget every year (team cap) and when players are extended, they are generally given more dead/guaranteed money which increases the carrying cost of players in future periods. There is nothing free about it, it's just a period shift.

All teams do it, it's just a question of purpose and degree. Retaining good players that are young enough to potentially be productive throughout the majority of their new contracts is a good use of restructuring / resigning. As is freeing up resources for season changing FA's in a likely playoff run. But, constantly balancing the current period books by increasing players' guaranteed money crowds out future period resources limiting teams' ability to sign valuable free agents and can also force organizations to hold onto unproductive vets in order to avoid dead money hits. I think that the FO believes and has believed that the current nucleus is sufficient to warrant all of these extensions, maybe they will be right in the next year or two.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So Stephen is now powerless in the organization? I get confused. Aren't you one of the guys who tells us Jerry doesn't strong arm his coaches? But he does his VP of Personnel?

I won't excuse poor performance. Stephen has been as inept in his responsibilities as Jerry has at his. In terms of results, Mike. Not some scenario I created in my head.

Where did I say Stephen is powerless.

I simply said there are times when Jerry gets his way.

Nothing more, nothing less.

If Stephen wasn't a "Jones" we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You would simply be blaming ownership and the GM.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I'm still POed that we got that ridiculous fine for going over the salary cap in an uncapped year. I was wanting Jerry to team up with Dan Snyder in a lawsuit against the NFL to get that overturned. I don't think he did it because he wants to host another Super Bowl in our stadium.

 

[SWG9]

They say this every year and they somehow make it in under the cap. The only real ramifications of this is that it limits free agent opportunities.

That's a pretty significant ramification.

 

[Risen Star]

Where did I say Stephen is powerless.

I simply said there are times when Jerry gets his way.

Nothing more, nothing less.

If Stephen wasn't a "Jones" we wouldn't be having this discussion.

You would simply be blaming ownership and the GM.

Right. You said all the bad decisions? That was Jerry strong arming Stephen. Something you couldn't possibly know.

We most certainly would be having this discussion whether his name was Jones, Smith or whatever. He's been terrible at his job. He's a far bigger problem than any coach or player.

 

[Zordon]

didn't realize espn decided to put this on their front page. no wonder its a big topic of discussion on multiple websites. its sad how many people see us as a joke now.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Are you guys actually arguing about who the gm is and the cap number an hour before kickoff?

I was thinking the EXACT same thing lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

didn't realize espn decided to put this on their front page. no wonder its a big topic of discussion on multiple websites. its sad how many people see us as a joke now.

I don't think what others feel about us should matter though.

 

[Eddie]

Not losing sleep over it either...

You must not have been paying attention to how they handle the cap for the last oh... going on twenty years.

Yep ... mismanage it EVERY year for 20 years, 1 playoff win in that same time period. I'm not worried about it. Same old story.