BP gave us Testaverde & Bledsoe

[iceberg]

The harping about Testeverde is ridiculous and proves that fans either have short memories or selective memories - or both.

Testeverde was not brought in to be "THE MAN" or to carry the team into the future. He was brought in ONLY as veteran insurance in case Quincy busted - which he did.

Jerry thought Qunicy was "THE MAN" and Parcells was smart enough to know better. Testeverde was merely a back up plan - and probably the best he could do considering Jerry thought he already had the QB position settled with Quincy.

Think about how piss poor the team would have been had Parcells not brought in the veteran insurance - it would have been a blood bath if Henson had been forced to start all year.

and there are those of us who feel that it's possible that he brought in vinnie and went ahead and let carter go to vinnie could play. "best chance to win" ring a bell? 3 games at the end of that season where we were out of the playoffs and no other QB could even sniff the field?

 

[YosemiteSam]

when people get this blind it's pointless to talk sense into them. they've built up things the way they want 'em and that's that. nyc is dead wrong but will never admit it and will never see what really happened cause he wants to hate every move JJones has made.

This is stupid. Obviously not many of you know the real story of Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman.

Quote from Gil Brant on Aikman's induction to the Hall of Fame.

The Cowboys were sold to Jerry Jones on Feb. 25, 1989, and Jimmy Johnson became the head coach. There were some questions if Aikman would still be our pick.

I accompanied the new head coach and some other staff members to Westwood in mid-March for a private workout before the draft. Afterward, when we were leaving, I remember asking Jimmy his thoughts.

"If we had him at Miami," he said, "We would have been 24-0 (in 1987-88) and won every game by 50 points."

I replied, "I rest my case."

What it didn't say, but Aikman did. Jimmy Johnson tried to recruit Aikman to come to Miami when he was leaving the Sooners because Aikman's playing style didn't fit their game. (running QB) Barry pushed him to UCLA and Terry Dohue because Barry didn't want him playing for Miami (who went on to win several national championships and face Oklahoma for a national championship!)

I'm not a "Jimmy for president" zealot fan. The drafting of Walsh was a smart thing to do. Jimmy got two QBs that had potential to be great in the NFL. Aikman wasn't a "Sure Thing". Johnson sparked competition and as the say in blackjack, doubled down because the payoff could be huge!

Did you watch the short show about Aikman during his induction into the Hall of Fame? It doesn't appear that you did. Aikman was affraid that Jonhson wouldn't draft him because Aikman refused to go to Miami and went instead to UCLA. Again, the whole story is more telling than just the cover indicates. Although, I'm just a Jimmy homer who knows nothing...

 

[iceberg]

This is stupid. Obviously not many of you know the real story of Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman.

Quote from Gil Brant on Aikman's induction to the Hall of Fame.



What it didn't say, but Aikman did. Jimmy Johnson tried to recruit Aikman to come to Miami when he was leaving the Sooners because Aikman's playing style didn't fit their game. (running QB) Barry pushed him to UCLA and Terry Dohue because Barry didn't want him playing for Miami (who went on to win several national championships and face Oklahoma for a national championship!)

I'm not a "Jimmy for president" zealot fan. The drafting of Walsh was a smart thing to do. Jimmy got two QBs that had potential to be great in the NFL. Aikman wasn't a "Sure Thing". Johnson sparked competition and as the say in blackjack, doubled down because the payoff could be huge!

Did you watch the short show about Aikman during his induction into the Hall of Fame? It doesn't appear that you did. Aikman was affraid that Jonhson wouldn't draft him because Aikman refused to go to Miami and went instead to UCLA. Again, the whole story is more telling than just the cover indicates. Although, I'm just a Jimmy homer who knows nothing...

so i'm supposed to rely on what an article didn't say as proof you're right?

hey - i like jimmy also and my dream scenario is that he comes back when tuna is done building the most glorified average team in the leagle. my point is simply you bag on everything JJones does and that's ignorance in action.

and you also seem to think that you and ONLY you are are aware of our teams past - crap like that gets old too.

 

[Stautner]

and there are those of us who feel that it's possible that he brought in vinnie and went ahead and let carter go to vinnie could play. "best chance to win" ring a bell? 3 games at the end of that season where we were out of the playoffs and no other QB could even sniff the field?

Are you serious?

Jerry exposed himself to a lot of scrutiny by picking Quincy and by throwing his full support behind him - he desperately wanted Quincy to work out. Jerry wouldn't have let Bill throw that away.

Plus, do you really think Parcells thought of Vinny as anything more than a one year fill in?

I will agree with you about the young guys - I sure thought they should have played late in the season. Bill threw out a somewhat reasonable excuse about the damage that could be done to their self-confidence by throwing them to the lions before they are prepared, but personally I disagree. At the least we could have used them sparingly in the last few games.

 

[iceberg]

Are you serious?

Jerry exposed himself to a lot of scrutiny by picking Quincy and by throwing his full support behind him - he desperately wanted Quincy to work out. Jerry wouldn't have let Bill throw that away.

Plus, do you really think Parcells thought of Vinny as anything more than a one year fill in?

I will agree with you about the young guys - I sure thought they should have played late in the season. Bill threw out a somewhat reasonable excuse about the damage that could be done to their self-confidence by throwing them to the lions before they are prepared, but personally I disagree. At the least we could have used them sparingly in the last few games.

not totally no - but it sure seems convenient to allow bp to let one of "his boys" have another year of fun in the sun. in all i didn't have much of a problem with it until those last 3 games when he refused to bench vinnie and pulled this "best chance to win" out of his arse. what only made it worse was the amount of people who ate that junk up with a shovel and used it endless in debates as if it were the "take that!" shot of all time.

but it was in those 3 games i found a hatred for parcells i will never be able to let go. this is where i think we could have found out about hensen and romo sooner. as it is we're 2+ years down the road, hensen gone and romo has still yet to throw an NFL gametime pass.

and the retreads continue.

 

[Stautner]

not totally no - but it sure seems convenient to allow bp to let one of "his boys" have another year of fun in the sun. in all i didn't have much of a problem with it until those last 3 games when he refused to bench vinnie and pulled this "best chance to win" out of his arse. what only made it worse was the amount of people who ate that junk up with a shovel and used it endless in debates as if it were the "take that!" shot of all time.

but it was in those 3 games i found a hatred for parcells i will never be able to let go. this is where i think we could have found out about hensen and romo sooner. as it is we're 2+ years down the road, hensen gone and romo has still yet to throw an NFL gametime pass.

and the retreads continue.

A hatred for Parcells over those 3 games? Geez, talk about a monumental overreaction.

Hell, "finding out about Romo and Henson" was even a hell of a lot to hope for. For you to expect to get anything more than a glimmer of hope and provide a small amount of experience was unrealistic.

 

[Mash]

This is stupid. Obviously not many of you know the real story of Jimmy Johnson and Troy Aikman.

Quote from Gil Brant on Aikman's induction to the Hall of Fame.



What it didn't say, but Aikman did. Jimmy Johnson tried to recruit Aikman to come to Miami when he was leaving the Sooners because Aikman's playing style didn't fit their game. (running QB) Barry pushed him to UCLA and Terry Dohue because Barry didn't want him playing for Miami (who went on to win several national championships and face Oklahoma for a national championship!)

I'm not a "Jimmy for president" zealot fan. The drafting of Walsh was a smart thing to do. Jimmy got two QBs that had potential to be great in the NFL. Aikman wasn't a "Sure Thing". Johnson sparked competition and as the say in blackjack, doubled down because the payoff could be huge!

Did you watch the short show about Aikman during his induction into the Hall of Fame? It doesn't appear that you did. Aikman was affraid that Jonhson wouldn't draft him because Aikman refused to go to Miami and went instead to UCLA. Again, the whole story is more telling than just the cover indicates. Although, I'm just a Jimmy homer who knows nothing...

Why is it....that...it was all Jimmy?

No one questioned Jimmy didn't like Troy and that pick....

but why cant u see that Jerry could of too....because "some people" said they werent sold....we assume it was Jerry.....

Like I said....when something bad happens ....its always Jerry fault....but all the good things.... good draft picks....were all Jimmy

One thing for sure....Jerry owns this team....and is the GM....always has been....Those 3 SB's are a result of both Jimmy and Jerry and equally should be credited with it.

 

[iceberg]

A hatred for Parcells over those 3 games? Geez, talk about a monumental overreaction.

Hell, "finding out about Romo and Henson" was even a hell of a lot to hope for. For you to expect to get anything more than a glimmer of hope and provide a small amount of experience was unrealistic.

so talk about it - i don't care and it's what message boards are for.

and winning/losing those 3 games is meaningless today yet we could have gleaned some info from them at the time.

the people that whined at me for whining about those games are the same ones who later came and said we need to see romo in pre-season games do well do accurately judge his capability.

screw that - i wanted to see him in a real game to see what he could do. it's also NOT just these 3 games but his far-too-vested interest in italian players and aged vets he used to coach and the preferences he puts their way over the rest of the team.

you can think i'm a fool cause i hate parcells and will relish the day he leaves with the passion a gay rights parade can't even muster, but i do. i also think we won't ever get over the top with parcells dragging the past with him.

i started that "parade" of my own during those 3 games. i was pretty alone then but i've gained a lot of company over the years. i'll hold my ground till he leaves and i'm proven right or he wins and i eat some public crow.

 

[iceberg]

A hatred for Parcells over those 3 games? Geez, talk about a monumental overreaction.

Hell, "finding out about Romo and Henson" was even a hell of a lot to hope for. For you to expect to get anything more than a glimmer of hope and provide a small amount of experience was unrealistic.

so talk about it - i don't care and it's what message boards are for.

and winning/losing those 3 games is meaningless today yet we could have gleaned some info from them at the time.

the people that whined at me for whining about those games are the same ones who later came and said we need to see romo in pre-season games do well do accurately judge his capability.

screw that - i wanted to see him in a real game to see what he could do. it's also NOT just these 3 games but his far-too-vested interest in italian players and aged vets he used to coach and the preferences he puts their way over the rest of the team.

you can think i'm a fool cause i hate parcells and will relish the day he leaves with the passion a gay rights parade can't even muster, but i do. i also think we won't ever get over the top with parcells dragging the past with him.

i started that "parade" of my own during those 3 games. i was pretty alone then but i've gained a lot of company over the years. i'll hold my ground till he leaves and i'm proven right or he wins and i eat some public crow.

 

[iceberg]

A hatred for Parcells over those 3 games? Geez, talk about a monumental overreaction.

Hell, "finding out about Romo and Henson" was even a hell of a lot to hope for. For you to expect to get anything more than a glimmer of hope and provide a small amount of experience was unrealistic.

so talk about it - i don't care and it's what message boards are for.

and winning/losing those 3 games is meaningless today yet we could have gleaned some info from them at the time.

the people that whined at me for whining about those games are the same ones who later came and said we need to see romo in pre-season games do well do accurately judge his capability.

screw that - i wanted to see him in a real game to see what he could do. it's also NOT just these 3 games but his far-too-vested interest in italian players and aged vets he used to coach and the preferences he puts their way over the rest of the team.

you can think i'm a fool cause i hate parcells and will relish the day he leaves with the passion a gay rights parade can't even muster, but i do. i also think we won't ever get over the top with parcells dragging the past with him.

i started that "parade" of my own during those 3 games. i was pretty alone then but i've gained a lot of company over the years. i'll hold my ground till he leaves and i'm proven right or he wins and i eat some public crow.

 

[iceberg]

A hatred for Parcells over those 3 games? Geez, talk about a monumental overreaction.

Hell, "finding out about Romo and Henson" was even a hell of a lot to hope for. For you to expect to get anything more than a glimmer of hope and provide a small amount of experience was unrealistic.

so talk about it - i don't care and it's what message boards are for.

and winning/losing those 3 games is meaningless today yet we could have gleaned some info from them at the time.

the people that whined at me for whining about those games are the same ones who later came and said we need to see romo in pre-season games do well do accurately judge his capability.

screw that - i wanted to see him in a real game to see what he could do. it's also NOT just these 3 games but his far-too-vested interest in italian players and aged vets he used to coach and the preferences he puts their way over the rest of the team.

you can think i'm a fool cause i hate parcells and will relish the day he leaves with the passion a gay rights parade can't even muster, but i do. i also think we won't ever get over the top with parcells dragging the past with him.

i started that "parade" of my own during those 3 games. i was pretty alone then but i've gained a lot of company over the years. i'll hold my ground till he leaves and i'm proven right or he wins and i eat some public crow.

 

[Jarv]

JJ picked QC because he wanted a clone of McFlab....Instead with BP as the coach he got VT and DB...lol.

Opps.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

yea and Jerry gave us Q. Carter, Henson, Hutch, Leaf.

Jerry was trying. Bill is dying.

 

[Stautner]

so talk about it - i don't care and it's what message boards are for.

and winning/losing those 3 games is meaningless today yet we could have gleaned some info from them at the time.

the people that whined at me for whining about those games are the same ones who later came and said we need to see romo in pre-season games do well do accurately judge his capability.

screw that - i wanted to see him in a real game to see what he could do. it's also NOT just these 3 games but his far-too-vested interest in italian players and aged vets he used to coach and the preferences he puts their way over the rest of the team.

you can think i'm a fool cause i hate parcells and will relish the day he leaves with the passion a gay rights parade can't even muster, but i do. i also think we won't ever get over the top with parcells dragging the past with him.

i started that "parade" of my own during those 3 games. i was pretty alone then but i've gained a lot of company over the years. i'll hold my ground till he leaves and i'm proven right or he wins and i eat some public crow.

Most of what you are ranting about I agree with - and agreed with before. I think we should have played the young guys some in those games.

It just seems pretty irrational to think of Parcells actions in those games as as monumental blunder, and it's also irrational that those games would cast such a huge cloud on his entire tenure in Dallas.

 

[kartr]

yea and Jerry gave us Q. Carter, Henson, Hutch, Leaf.

We need to draft a real QB in the early rounds. You can have all the talent you want but without a QB it means nothing. The QB doesnt have to be throwing for 300+ yds but smart.

Since Troy Aikman the QB's in Dallas have been a joke and the laughing stock of the NFL. I dont understand how America's Team can settle for bums at the most important spot on the field.

The Cowboys were not a joke in 2003 with Q Carter, they were a playoff team,but they have been a joke since he left.

 

[iceberg]

Most of what you are ranting about I agree with - and agreed with before. I think we should have played the young guys some in those games.

It just seems pretty irrational to think of Parcells actions in those games as as monumental blunder, and it's also irrational that those games would cast such a huge cloud on his entire tenure in Dallas.

it's where i first started putting aside having such a legendary coach and started watching more closely his moves and how he acts as our coach. i also hate it when in many press conferences he sounds like grandpa simpson.

"well, i used to play football back in WWII, we wore onions on our belts then. Belts? yea, i could use a few, got any good wow, you know that's how it is and that's how i've come to...you see, it's like this...there are times you are what you are and not, so it's back to the things that i know and, well, that's how it is.

through his tenure here in dallas i've come to hate him, hate the way he acts, and hate the way he treats the media, even through much of the time they deserve it - it's still disrespectful.

this was the start of my hatred but so many more things have come to play on this party with me it's not alone here.

 

[Stautner]

it's where i first started putting aside having such a legendary coach and started watching more closely his moves and how he acts as our coach. i also hate it when in many press conferences he sounds like grandpa simpson.

"well, i used to play football back in WWII, we wore onions on our belts then. Belts? yea, i could use a few, got any good wow, you know that's how it is and that's how i've come to...you see, it's like this...there are times you are what you are and not, so it's back to the things that i know and, well, that's how it is.

through his tenure here in dallas i've come to hate him, hate the way he acts, and hate the way he treats the media, even through much of the time they deserve it - it's still disrespectful.

this was the start of my hatred but so many more things have come to play on this party with me it's not alone here.

I'm wondering how you felt about Coach Landry in the 1980's - you must have really despised him.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm wondering how you felt about Coach Landry in the 1980's - you must have really despised him.

Heck Landry would not even have had a chance to win a superbowl with the way people act today and want to get rid of coaches and players.

Sad but true.

 

[iceberg]

I'm wondering how you felt about Coach Landry in the 1980's - you must have really despised him.

i never saw landry disrespct the media like bp does all the time. the media was also a different animal back then vs. the internet ******* child media we have now.

i loved landry. but i also felt that since he trained or taught almost all major head coaches of the time, many knew how he thought and how to beat him, and did. i never had anything but full respect for landry and while i was sad to see him go, i felt it was time to move on. he had a run no one will ever touch again and he was truely an amazing man and coach.

i don't see bp and landry on the same "level" actually. bp is a upper tier coach, yes. but 90% of that is reputation anymore. could a top flight coach get us into the playoffs in 3-4 years? i'd like to think so. instead we settle for our castoffs being taken by other teams as a sign of some slow growth pattern we're on instead of playoff victories.

 

[Stautner]

i never saw landry disrespct the media like bp does all the time. the media was also a different animal back then vs. the internet ******* child media we have now.

i loved landry. but i also felt that since he trained or taught almost all major head coaches of the time, many knew how he thought and how to beat him, and did. i never had anything but full respect for landry and while i was sad to see him go, i felt it was time to move on. he had a run no one will ever touch again and he was truely an amazing man and coach.

i don't see bp and landry on the same "level" actually. bp is a upper tier coach, yes. but 90% of that is reputation anymore. could a top flight coach get us into the playoffs in 3-4 years? i'd like to think so. instead we settle for our castoffs being taken by other teams as a sign of some slow growth pattern we're on instead of playoff victories.

What does Parcells treatment of the media have to do with the price of tea in China ........?

Even so, considering the tabloid nature of much of the media, do you really think the media is as deserving of respect as they once were?

Several future head coaches learned from Landry, but to say "almost all major head coaches" is a huge exxageration.

I don't see Parcells on Landry's level either, but stop and think about what you said - that 90% of Parcells is reputation now.

Wasn't that the same for Landry in the mid to late 1980s? Hell, Parcells still puts together teams that can have winning seasons - the Cowboys couldn't do that in Landry's last several years.