BP gave us Testaverde & Bledsoe

[iceberg]

What does Parcells treatment of the media have to do with the price of tea in China ........?

Even so, considering the tabloid nature of much of the media, do you really think the media is as deserving of respect as they once were?

Several future head coaches learned from Landry, but to say "almost all major head coaches" is a huge exxageration.

I don't see Parcells on Landry's level either, but stop and think about what you said - that 90% of Parcells is reputation now.

Wasn't that the same for Landry in the mid to late 1980s? Hell, Parcells still puts together teams that can have winning seasons - the Cowboys couldn't do that in Landry's last several years.

media - just because you can be an arse doesn't mean you should be. i'm also a huge "if you want respect you have to give it as well as earn it" person. sorry, i've just come to hate parcells and no amount of casual i-net banter will change that.

sure it was - and why i felt he needed to go ahead and call it a career, and one that will likely never be matched or even touched again. and so what - parcells putting together a winning season. is 9-7 no playoffs really better than 5-11, no playoffs?

 

[YosemiteSam]

so i'm supposed to rely on what an article didn't say as proof you're right?

and you also seem to think that you and ONLY you are are aware of our teams past - crap like that gets old too.

What? No one ask you to rely on anything. You were spewing stuff like YOU WERE IN THE KNOW when obviously you relied on reading the cover not the book!

No one questioned Jimmy didn't like Troy and that pick....

but why cant u see that Jerry could of too....because "some people" said they werent sold....we assume it was Jerry.....

Like I said....when something bad happens ....its always Jerry fault....but all the good things.... good draft picks....were all Jimmy

One thing for sure....Jerry owns this team....and is the GM....always has been....Those 3 SB's are a result of both Jimmy and Jerry and equally should be credited with it.

Draft between Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells. (The 9 years when Jerry Jones was calling all the draft choices) (Pro Bowlers in bold)

• Roy Williams
• Andre Gurode
• Antonio Bryant
• Derek Ross
• Jamar Martin
• Ralph Hunter
• Tyson Walter
• Deveren Johnson
• Bob Slowikowski
• Quincy Carter
• Tony Dixon
• Willie Blade
• Markus Steele
• Matt Lehr
• Daleroy Stewart
• Colston Weatherington
• John Nix
• Char-ron Dorsey
• Dwayne Goodrich
• Kareem Larrimore
• Michael Wiley
• Mario Edwards
• Orantes Grant
• Ebenezer Ekuban
• Solomon Page
• Dat Nguyen
• Wane McGarity
• Hundens Zellner
• MarTay Jenkins
• Mike Lucky
• Kelvin Garmon
• Greg Ellis
• Flozell Adams
• Michael Myers
• Darren Hambrick
• Oliver Ross
• Izell Reese
• Tarik Smith
• Antonio Fleming
• Rodrick Monroe
• David LaFleur
• Dexter Coakley
• Steve Scifres
• Kenny Wheaton
• Antonio Anderson
• Macey Brooks
• Nicky Sualua
• Lee Vaughn
• Omar Stoutmire
• Kavika Pittman
• Randall Godfrey
• Clay Shiver
• Stepfret Williams
• Mike Ulufale
• Kenneth McDaniel
• Alan Campos
• Wendell Davis
• Ryan Wood
• Sherman Williams
• Kendell Watkins
• Shane Hannah
• Charlie Williams
• Eric Bjornson
• Alundis Brice
• Linc Harden
• Edward Hervey
• Dana Howard
• Oscar Sturgis
• Shante Carver
• Larry Allen
• George Hegamin
• Willie Jackson
• DeWayne Dotson
• Darren Studstill
• Toddrick McIntosh

Pro Bowlers drafted only from the (5) Jimmy Johnson years:

• Troy Aikman
• Darly Johnston
• Mark Stepnoski
• Tony Tolbert
• Emmitt Smith
• Russell Maryland
• Jimmy Smith
• Darren Woodson
• Ron Stone
• Brock Marion

So, in 5 years that Jimmy Johnson was with the Cowboys the Cowboys produced (10) pro bowlers yet in the following (9) years after Jimmy left the Cowboys only produced (3) more.

All I can say is WOW!

 

[iceberg]

What? No one ask you to rely on anything. You were spewing stuff like YOU WERE IN THE KNOW when obviously you relied on reading the cover not the book!

and oh yea, comments like "you sure don't know your cowboys!!!" isn't condecending at all.

forget it - let's just ignore each other and move on.

 

[peplaw06]

So to be clear.... Jerry gets credit for Aikman. Jerry gets blame for Carter, Hutch, Henson, Leaf. And Bill Parcells gets blamed for bringing in Testaverde and Bledsoe. Is that right? Just making sure...

 

[YosemiteSam]

and oh yea, comments like "you sure don't know your cowboys!!!" isn't condecending at all.

forget it - let's just ignore each other and move on.

You are right and I apologize for acting like that.

 

[Stautner]

media - just because you can be an arse doesn't mean you should be. i'm also a huge "if you want respect you have to give it as well as earn it" person. sorry, i've just come to hate parcells and no amount of casual i-net banter will change that.

sure it was - and why i felt he needed to go ahead and call it a career, and one that will likely never be matched or even touched again. and so what - parcells putting together a winning season. is 9-7 no playoffs really better than 5-11, no playoffs?

I'm still wondering what in the hell the media has to do with the price of tea in China?

Since when is being nice to the media necessary to the success of a football team or it's coach?

Who gives a crap - winning is the objective, not exchanging Christmas cards with the media.

And hell yes 9-7 is better than 5-11. It suggests were are very close to being the team we are striving to be, whereas 5-11 means you have miles to go. Missing the playoffs by a hair provides hope - missing the playoffs by miles provides despair.

 

[iceberg]

I'm still wondering what in the hell the media has to do with the price of tea in China?

Since when is being nice to the media necessary to the success of a football team or it's coach?

Who gives a crap - winning is the objective, not exchanging Christmas cards with the media.

And hell yes 9-7 is better than 5-11. It suggests were are very close to being the team we are striving to be, whereas 5-11 means you have miles to go. Missing the playoffs by a hair provides hope - missing the playoffs by miles provides despair.

because i hate how parcells acts in front of the media.

in yesterdays world incremental progress is fine and a valid indicator of progress. in todays nfl you can go from 5-11 to superbowl in very short order. we're looking at an example of yesterdays progress to gauge todays success in this instance.

being a shiner turd was never our goal with BP and to date, he's failed in his ultimate goal.

 

[Stautner]

because i hate how parcells acts in front of the media.

in yesterdays world incremental progress is fine and a valid indicator of progress. in todays nfl you can go from 5-11 to superbowl in very short order. we're looking at an example of yesterdays progress to gauge todays success in this instance.

being a shiner turd was never our goal with BP and to date, he's failed in his ultimate goal.

I can't argue that up to this point he has failed in his ultimate goal, but the reality is that going from 3 straight 5-11 seasons to Super Bowl champion in a few years isn't as common as you would have us believe.

Clearly it's much more possible to do that than ever before because of free agency, but it still isn't a simple task.

And while it was Parcell's ultimate goal, it should never have been taken as a certainty.

As for all this media stuff, I can appreciate if you dislike Parcells personally for the way he deals with the media, but you have to be smart enough and fair enough to separate that from how you feel about him as a coach - it has no bearing.

Bottom line is that while we still aren't as solid a team as we want to be and while we are disappointed that we have played poorly in 1/2 of our games this season, any fair person would have to admit we are a much better team than we were before Parcells arrived.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

has to stop living in the past. He still thinks he is coaching the Patriots and the Giants. This the Dallas Cowboys. We want winning QBs not stiffs.

The problem with having a old coach is that no one can tell him what to do.
He has been through it all and he..only he knows how to win.

uhhh. once again another pundit pointing to problems and yet doesn't offer any soultions. OK smart guy, Mr. Arm Chair General Manager here is a bud light for you. WHO WOULD YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF BLEDSOE AND TESTE?

and don't come back with wild arse scenarios of trading 100 picks to get a player in the draft and all that other fantasy craap. give us a realistic scenario fo what you would have done.

and don't forget he didn't bring in Teste to be the starter. it was your favorite QB mr. Caaatteer who smoked it up and smoked the cowboys in the process.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

yea and Jerry gave us Q. Carter, Henson, Hutch, Leaf.

We need to draft a real QB in the early rounds. You can have all the talent you want but without a QB it means nothing. The QB doesnt have to be throwing for 300+ yds but smart.

Since Troy Aikman the QB's in Dallas have been a joke and the laughing stock of the NFL. I dont understand how America's Team can settle for bums at the most important spot on the field.

WHO? tell us who? and be real. lets not get into this fantasy scenario of trading million picks to get this guy or that guy and tell us who?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

dude can you do me a favor and never mention "Testaverde" again?

I'm trying hard to erase that dreadful season from my mind... GOSH what a horrible ****** season.. all b/c of Vinny at QB

damn....

Mods, censor the words "Vinny" and "Testaverde"

while we are at it, lets ban Carter, Smoke and what a waste of a player.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

jerry jones also gave us aikman, dude. why did you leave THAT off your list?

give me the first pick in the draft and I will give you a QB of the future.

 

[Mash]

IMHO......

The resources Bill was given....leaving a .500 coach wont be a upgrade from 3 5-11 seasons with Campo.

And playing close to the vest...with aging vets just to reach a 8-9 win season is not any better then a Cap hell Campo team at 5-11 with a older team and scrubs

We can sugar coat all this.....but if Bill finish his carreer a .500 coach here....he is what he is......record tells the story.....you are what u are...as Bill said.....

average....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The harping about Testeverde is ridiculous and proves that fans either have short memories or selective memories - or both.

Testeverde was not brought in to be "THE MAN" or to carry the team into the future. He was brought in ONLY as veteran insurance in case Quincy busted - which he did.

Jerry thought Qunicy was "THE MAN" and Parcells was smart enough to know better. Testeverde was merely a back up plan - and probably the best he could do considering Jerry thought he already had the QB position settled with Quincy.

Think about how piss poor the team would have been had Parcells not brought in the veteran insurance - it would have been a blood bath if Henson had been forced to start all year.

thank you, finally some one who remembers things as they happened and not just the last 5 minutes because they were drunk...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

and there are those of us who feel that it's possible that he brought in vinnie and went ahead and let carter go to vinnie could play. "best chance to win" ring a bell? 3 games at the end of that season where we were out of the playoffs and no other QB could even sniff the field?

are you freaking serious? he let carter go? the same carter who smoked it up? the same carter who got a 4 game suspension from the NFL the same carter that now can't get a job polishing footballs in canada!!! are you freaking serious or are you in love with carter?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Cowboys were not a joke in 2003 with Q Carter, they were a playoff team,but they have been a joke since he left.

so you agree or accept that its ok to put your franchises future in the hands of a guy that is one more suspension away from being banned for a year from the league? you want to build a team around a guy that can't lead himself much less a team? is that what you are subscribing to? because that's reality of it. Carter was suspended for 4 games. carter doesn't have a job in the NFL or canada any longer.

or don't you think character counts for anything?

 

[Mash]

I would of drafted Leftwich....

I would of traded a pick for someones backup....

I would of done something with a younger player ....instead of getting older retreads that have been in the league to long and continue to make the same stupid mistakes year after year.

All because.....it makes you a 8-8 team...

I enjoyed watching younger players play that were drafted by the cowboys and finished 5-11 then continue down this road of Big Bill's conservative...bus rider...mentality to achieve a 500 record.

 

[Mash]

so you agree or accept that its ok to put your franchises future in the hands of a guy that is one more suspension away from being banned for a year from the league? you want to build a team around a guy that can't lead himself much less a team? is that what you are subscribing to? because that's reality of it. Carter was suspended for 4 games. carter doesn't have a job in the NFL or canada any longer.

or don't you think character counts for anything?

Yet the same coach.....

as it sounds....will have Coleman back and playing...so I guess Character doesnt count with Bill .........eh?

 

[iceberg]

are you freaking serious? he let carter go? the same carter who smoked it up? the same carter who got a 4 game suspension from the NFL the same carter that now can't get a job polishing footballs in canada!!! are you freaking serious or are you in love with carter?

are you a freaking moron or do you just enjoy emulating one so very well?

drop off your panic wagon and i'll explain. make it sound like i'm a carter lover and i'll just ignore you cause - you're acting like a moron. if you want clarification - ask for it w/o your stupid assumptions thrown in the mix.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

IMHO......

The resources Bill was given....leaving a .500 coach wont be a upgrade from 3 5-11 seasons with Campo.

OK, what resources was bill given that other coaches didn't get? did he have more cap space? did he have more draft picks? tell me what he got that other coaches didn't get or do you just spew stuff out without examining or thinking ahead of time.

And playing close to the vest...with aging vets just to reach a 8-9 win season is not any better then a Cap hell Campo team at 5-11 with a older team and scrubs

did you know the cowboys are one of the youngest teams in the league? I bet you didn't know that. Not only starters but depth as well.

and didn't BP take the same team Campo had to a 10-6 season!! yeah BP made a mistake thinking that team was more talented than it was.

We can sugar coat all this.....but if Bill finish his carreer a .500 coach here....he is what he is......record tells the story.....you are what u are...as Bill said.....

average....

the season is not done. one game doesn't a season make. if he ends up average then he is what he is.