BP haters

[LatinMind]

if Bill stays, and brings in Dick LeBeau to coach our D, would you feel a little better about our chances this year?

as somebody just posted its good to have good coaches but for me a superbowl isnt worth it if right after they're forced to rebuild and learn a new system because of parcells yr to yr loyalty.

i'd like to see stability over 1 yr of feeding a over the hill coaches ego. parcells is all about mindgames. i have never liked him and never will. he has no loyalty to his teams. u can all try and say otherwise, but the fact is his hostory speaks for itself. he never takes any blame, and always bails when the tough gets going. theres just one difference now, he had to build up his bank account since his wife took a page from belichek's book and dumped parcells the first chance she could. and took his money with her. u can all fool yourselves, but thats the real reason he's still coaching.

 

[Alexander]

is he going to leave LeBeau alone and let him do the game planning and play calling on D?

David

He might.

Then what?

He isn't nice with the media?

He doesn't respect Cowboys heritage?

 

[bbgun]

Hos told us to embrace the hate. Bill got caught in the crossfire.

 

[DragonCowboy]

IOW, it all depends on what the definition of "is" is...

exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxactly.

 

[iceberg]

Yeah, there's no haters in here... nobody starting threads titled "Why I think fat boy Parcells is staying "...

Don't even make me go into a dozen other threads and quote the vast array of entirely gratuitous, utterly unrelated to football, criticisms he's gotten... still can't figure out why so many in here are obsessed with his man boobs... I suspect that a lot of those critics have that particular problem themselves, and are trying to console themselves with "well, at least his are bigger than mine"...

But naw, there's no "hating" in any of that...

Maybe you personally haven't edged over into mindless hating, but you're being willfully obtuse if you can't see that a lot of other folks are...

i'm not a "little" guy with a perfect work out daily body. i won't make fun of someone for physical appearance. you'll NEVER find me doing that. if you can i've got some apologizing to do.

i do agree there's a lot of hate for him out there. i contriubte my fair share and i can understand the irony in some of the things i say cause i do get adament about some things.

bp has done some things well. very well to be honest. but not the coaching on the field. not a consistant direction, but he's done what he can and i do believe as much *as* he can. but we have to question his "Heart" too much in what we see and what he does.

then we run around and excuse it cause bp gives life tips to the needy and therefor could *never* be a bad influence.

bp is lost and i don't think he's "intentionally" trying to be a bad influence. but i think his indecision is costing us. not in what you may see but in overall teamwork and dedication to what we're doing. a good guy can be a bad influence depending on the times they're going through.

that doesn't make them a bad person at all unless you just wanna argue extremes and ignore the middle ground and a wealth of other possiblities.

but i don't hate bp as a person, never met him. if i've gone too far to try and prove my point, i daresay i'm not the one. : ) but i'll stand behind what i said.

as a team we need a leader. period. in most circumstances the people on parcells side right now would say the coach should provide this.

now we excuse it because he can't, or won't, do it on his own.

i still want my coach to be the leader on this time and i won't pass the buck cause parcells is better than campo.

i still want more and a little better isn't enough progress to stay on this path.

 

[iceberg]

IOW, it all depends on what the definition of "is" is...

it depends on a lot of things but my main point is the initial phrase isn't abolsute.

good people can be a bad influence through no intentional fault of their own. that doesn't make them a bad person.

unless you're trying to win some stupid forum argument.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

:laugh2: you...tired of extremes?




how is his influence negative, the players seem to like him

. . . than give an occasional pat on the back to his players. Especially his stars: JJ, Romo, T.O., etc.
How do you think the lesser role players felt?

I think he just likes to maniupulate and instill fear. But the fear factor seems to have dissipated by the loads of penalties, gaffes, dropped balls and unfocused play. Seems that many just did not care anymore, save Romo and the running backs.

No apparent love from the players on the sidelines that I saw.

But, even then, when the camera is on and a question is asked about how you like the coach, what are you gonna say?

 

[DragonCowboy]

. . . than give an occasional pat on the back to his players. Especially his stars: JJ, Romo, T.O., etc.
How do you think the lesser role players felt?

I think he just likes to maniupulate and instill fear. But the fear factor seems to have dissipated by the loads of penalties, gaffes, dropped balls and unfocused play. Seems that many just did not care anymore, save Romo and the running backs.

No apparent love from the players on the sidelines that I saw.

But, even then, when the camera is on and a question is asked about how you like the coach, what are you gonna say?

Didn't Keith Davis get kissed? He is NOT a star player.

 

[Bleu Star]

34-30 in 4 years.
Zero playoff wins.
ZZZ

 

[Cochese]

He might.

Then what?

He isn't nice with the media?

He doesn't respect Cowboys heritage?

Billichick isnt nice to the media, whats your point? Win some football games and no one gives a damn how you treat the media.

 

[Sarge]

i don't "hate" bp - i hate the job he's done here and think if it wasn't for his past, he'd be gone already.

.........guaranteed.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

why would that help any of us that hate brainpaint?

:clubbed:

 

[iceberg]

.........guaranteed.

hence the phrase twisting from even parcells own words...

you are what you are, unless you're parcells.

 

[Bleu Star]

you are what you are, unless you're parcells.

This quote sums up my feelings about this whole Parcells thing perfectly...

If Parcells were to hold himself to the same standards he sets for those below him he would have already fired himself.

 

[superpunk]

This quote sums up my feelings about this whole Parcells thing perfectly...

If Parcells were to hold himself to the same standards he sets for those below him he would have already fired himself.

Why? What criteria has he set up that calls for him firing himself?

 

[iceberg]

Why? What criteria has he set up that calls for him firing himself?

what criteria has he set forth for a winning franchise that he's done?

a .504 record in 4 years would at least put a job in jeaporday for many other coaches.

what was gaileys record when we fired him? no, i don't know for sure but we may as well go back to that as a measureing stick if we're going to look for criteria to use so we're not just bickering back and forth.

 

[Bleu Star]

Why? What criteria has he set up that calls for him firing himself?

4 years in. Zero playoff wins. What standards are we now setting for our head coaches? It's ok to go 8-8/9-7 every year and get blasted in the first round? Please don't mention how close we were to winning the Seattle game either. Had stubborn Bill made some adjustments on D instead of "maintaining the status quo" in those last few weeks of the season when our D was getting throttled we would not have been in Seattle. Period.

 

[superpunk]

what criteria has he set forth for a winning franchise that he's done?

a .504 record in 4 years would at least put a job in jeaporday for many other coaches.

what was gaileys record when we fired him? no, i don't know for sure but we may as well go back to that as a measureing stick if we're going to look for criteria to use so we're not just bickering back and forth.

If record is your only criteria. That record is skewed by one dreadful 6-10 capaign. That really is what should have happened his first year, but we were misled into thinking we had something, and didn't begin rebuilding in earnest until 2004. Aside from that, he's had a winning record every year. He's infused talent into a talentless team. He's had several excellent reclamation projects. He's given us Romo, a guy wo might be that QB we've been looking for since #8. He's gotten Terry Glenn for a 6th rounder, Marc Colombo for nothing, etc, etc, etc.....

The results haven't been overwhelming. But the progress is there. Maybe he can't take us any farther. I don't believe that yet. But there's a direction and purpose with Bill that there hasn't been with any other coach since Jimmy. At the very least, he's gotten us turned around in the right direction, and deserves the chance to finish the job. If he can't, he can't. But nothing he's done so far fails any of his criteria, no matter which BPism elected for use to damn him by his own words.

 

[iceberg]

If record is your only criteria. That record is skewed by one dreadful 6-10 capaign. That really is what should have happened his first year, but we were misled into thinking we had something, and didn't begin rebuilding in earnest until 2004. Aside from that, he's had a winning record every year. He's infused talent into a talentless team. He's had several excellent reclamation projects. He's given us Romo, a guy wo might be that QB we've been looking for since #8. He's gotten Terry Glenn for a 6th rounder, Marc Colombo for nothing, etc, etc, etc.....

The results haven't been overwhelming. But the progress is there. Maybe he can't take us any farther. I don't believe that yet. But there's a direction and purpose with Bill that there hasn't been with any other coach since Jimmy. At the very least, he's gotten us turned around in the right direction, and deserves the chance to finish the job. If he can't, he can't. But nothing he's done so far fails any of his criteria, no matter which BPism elected for use to damn him by his own words.

look what payton did in 1 year, super. it *can* be done esp. in this era of the NFL. it's not like the past where it took 4-6 years to build a foundation and required healthy doses of luck.

yes, we've made moderate progress. 20 years ago when the game itself was different that would be promising. but the NFL today is built to get there quicker than we are doing so now. getting better at a tortise pace isn't good enough anymore - to me anyway, and many others.

it's great for some, and that's ok, just again disagreeing on what it will take to win.

chicago, NO, san deigo - many of these teams got turned around quickly - moreso than we're doing. *that* is setting the bar for a successful coach these days in as much as the record. it also tends to give us fans less patience for a coach because we do feel that it should be happening more quickly.

 

[Juke99]

Hey..Summer....I love ya like a brother (mine's actually a pain in the backside. ) but I have to say, this term "Hater" is about as annoying as any that I've read on this board.

I'm not at all suggesting you coined it...but I just figured this was the perfect thread to voice an opinion about it.

Criticize someone, you're a hater...ie, suggesting total loss of any objectivity due to "hatred"

Funny stuff.

Perhaps I need to start a thread..."BP BootLickers"