BP haters

[superpunk]

look what payton did in 1 year, super. it *can* be done esp. in this era of the NFL. it's not like the past where it took 4-6 years to build a foundation and required healthy doses of luck.

yes, we've made moderate progress. 20 years ago when the game itself was different that would be promising. but the NFL today is built to get there quicker than we are doing so now. getting better at a tortise pace isn't good enough anymore - to me anyway, and many others.

it's great for some, and that's ok, just again disagreeing on what it will take to win.

chicago, NO, san deigo - many of these teams got turned around quickly - moreso than we're doing. *that* is setting the bar for a successful coach these days in as much as the record. it also tends to give us fans less patience for a coach because we do feel that it should be happening more quickly.

I don't see one-year enigmas as good measuring sticks. The team-building for the BEars and Saints was mostly done before their respective coaches got there - for payton, the rest fell in his lap, whether it was Miami passing on brees, or Houston passing on Reggie. I can't just point at another staff and say "Look, that's what we should be doing - anything less is unacceptable!" The team now has been built from the ground up by Parcells. If he can't win with it, then he will need to go. I'm not so impatient as to think that if he can't do it in two years (rebuilding from 2004 in earnest) that he should be scrapped. I like the progress and direction far too much for that. I don't get caught up in the shiny toy syndrome, because that would require the belief that all situations are the same, so the same performance is demanded out of the head coach. We've had two straight winning seasons, a playoff berth that we were dangerously close to pulling off, and a ton of young players ready to continue growing in the system. Pulling the plug on that is a bad idea.

 

[Bleu Star]

look what payton did in 1 year, super. it *can* be done esp. in this era of the NFL. it's not like the past where it took 4-6 years to build a foundation and required healthy doses of luck.

yes, we've made moderate progress. 20 years ago when the game itself was different that would be promising. but the NFL today is built to get there quicker than we are doing so now. getting better at a tortise pace isn't good enough anymore - to me anyway, and many others.

it's great for some, and that's ok, just again disagreeing on what it will take to win.

chicago, NO, san deigo - many of these teams got turned around quickly - moreso than we're doing. *that* is setting the bar for a successful coach these days in as much as the record. it also tends to give us fans less patience for a coach because we do feel that it should be happening more quickly.

Those that support Parcells and the continuance of mediocrity should read this with an open mind while leaving the "anointing catch phrases" at home. Payton is who he is... That's a coach who has his team one game away from the Super Bowl in his first year as head coach...

 

[iceberg]

Those that support Parcells and the continuance of mediocrity should read this with an open mind while leaving the "anointing catch phrases" at home. Payton is who he is... That's a coach who has his team one game away from the Super Bowl in his first year as head coach...

except from super and summer i have come to realize and admit that being pro parcells isn't the same as being pro-mediocrity.

something i know i'll need to keep in mind as we keep talking.

 

[Alexander]

except from super and summer i have come to realize and admit that being pro parcells isn't the same as being pro-mediocrity.

Sadly, most have not come to grips with this fact and continue to view it through a black and white filter.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If record is your only criteria. That record is skewed by one dreadful 6-10 capaign. That really is what should have happened his first year, but we were misled into thinking we had something, and didn't begin rebuilding in earnest until 2004. Aside from that, he's had a winning record every year. He's infused talent into a talentless team. He's had several excellent reclamation projects. He's given us Romo, a guy wo might be that QB we've been looking for since #8. He's gotten Terry Glenn for a 6th rounder, Marc Colombo for nothing, etc, etc, etc.....

The results haven't been overwhelming. But the progress is there. Maybe he can't take us any farther. I don't believe that yet. But there's a direction and purpose with Bill that there hasn't been with any other coach since Jimmy. At the very least, he's gotten us turned around in the right direction, and deserves the chance to finish the job. If he can't, he can't. But nothing he's done so far fails any of his criteria, no matter which BPism elected for use to damn him by his own words.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

except from super and summer i have come to realize and admit that being pro parcells isn't the same as being pro-mediocrity.

something i know i'll need to keep in mind as we keep talking.

wth is that supposed to mean?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Hey..Summer....I love ya like a brother (mine's actually a pain in the backside. ) but I have to say, this term "Hater" is about as annoying as any that I've read on this board.

I'm not at all suggesting you coined it...but I just figured this was the perfect thread to voice an opinion about it.

Criticize someone, you're a hater...ie, suggesting total loss of any objectivity due to "hatred"

Funny stuff.

Perhaps I need to start a thread..."BP BootLickers"

sorry, shouldn't have said it as it pisses me the hell off when iceberg makes a remark about me supporting Bill every 5 minutes, just wanted to hurry up and start a thread and really didn't work on getting a great thread title lol

 

[iceberg]

wth is that supposed to mean?

mostly that my equating people wanting to keep parcells is the same as wanting to have an average record. this is the flip side of those who want to keep parcells who continue to keep saying campo is our only alternative.

pro parcells is NOT pro mediocrity
and
anti-parcells is NOT bring back campo.

yet that's where it always seems to wind up when the discussion really gets going.

*i* view keeping parcells as doing nothing more than what we've already seen and use 4 years to back it up. i look to what payton did in NO in 1 year as an example of how fast things can be turned around while the pro-bp crowd will point to whatever aids their argument as well.

so all i'm saying is *i* need to quit equating being pro parcells as being pro mediocrity even through *I* think that's what we're going to get. it's only what i think and no more right or wrong than those who think another year is just what the doctor ordered for bp.

 

[LatinMind]

if u want to get technical, most people say dallas got lucky with that 10-6 season. so that in essence can "skew" the overall record aswell.

 

[iceberg]

if u want to get technical, most people say dallas got lucky with that 10-6 season. so that in essence can "skew" the overall record aswell.

they sure do say the #1 defense was smoke and mirrors cause it helps *todays* argument. pull out your ammo, hope no one sees the rest - all over again.

 

[LatinMind]

they sure do say the #1 defense was smoke and mirrors cause it helps *todays* argument. pull out your ammo, hope no one sees the rest - all over again.

they just try to use stats and numbers that they thinkwill prove a point. but theres always numbers that will prove them to know really nothing more then anybody else.

theres only 1 thing i look at, and thats for all four yrs that parcells has been in dallas, every yr the cowboys have crumbled at the end of the yr. the rest is garbage to me.

 

[Jarv]

they sure do say the #1 defense was smoke and mirrors cause it helps *todays* argument. pull out your ammo, hope no one sees the rest - all over again.

It didn't seem to help Zimmer, but its a bright spot of BP. Interesting stuff, huh.

 

[LatinMind]

It didn't seem to help Zimmer, but its a bright spot of BP. Interesting stuff, huh.

how did it not help zimmer? just because cowboy boards say that zimmer isnt a good coach, for a 3-4. jerry had already said if zimmer wouldnt have gone, he would have been the DC in 07. just zimmer chose to leave.

 

[Concord]

Well it looks like the Fat Arse is going to stay so I really have no option.

I don't want him back next year...period.

But if he stays for one more year and then we can get a Fisher or Cowher or a Hot assistant then well that's the best I can hope for. If he stays past that...Jones should be hung.

But I want Parcells out of my Cowboys Life. Now preferably.

Get rid of the Carpetbagger.