Bradie James - Getting Better?

[Stautner]

If you'll allow me to arbitrate a bit....

There is no instance where you specifically said that playing nickle De....blah blah blah.

But in post 49, you certainly suggest that Carpenter is an OLB (or played OLB against Indy, since ogt said he didn't) BECAUSE he played some nickle defensive end.

That may not have been your intent, but that's how I read it.

If that was not your intent, you two can probably just hug and move on.

Re-read that.

I did not say he played OLB because he played nickle DE.

In fact, I didn't use the word "nickle" at all - that is ogt and your word.

I said only that playing on the LOS was something that 3-4 OLB's do at times - part of the job.

Now, reread my quote and see what you think.

 

[superpunk]

Re-read that.

I did not say he played OLB because he played nickle DE. In fact, Ididn't use the word "nickle" at all - that is ogt and your word.

I said only that playing on the LOS was something that 3-4 OLB's do.

Now, reread my quote and see what you think.

Well of course some 3-4 OLBs play on the LOS. In addition, some of them don't. Mike Vrabel is an ILB who plays on the LOS sometimes - it's not something only 3-4 OLBs do.

See, it was just a big misunderstanding. You weren't suggesting that Carpenter played OLB at all. Now it's time.

:grouphug:

Give your brother a kiss. My peace-making work is done here.

 

[theogt]

So, even though he was in a formation where he was essentially taking the snap as a shotgun QB would, he is still a RB ...........

yet when Ware lines up in a position on the LOS like a DE, he is no longer an OLB .........

The difference is where they lined up. Ware lined up as a nickel DE and Romo lined up as a QB. It's completely different.

As for that link you showed - that was merely you asking if I thought playing nickle DE automatically makes someone an OLB .........

so what if you asked that, I never said it did.

Are you really trying to prove I said something by quoting YOUR WORDS?

If you want to prove I said something I believe you need to quote my words ......

And I'm still waiting.

I was linking to my reply to your quote. Are you going to respond to that reply?

 

[Stautner]

Well of course some 3-4 OLBs play on the LOS. In addition, some of them don't. Mike Vrabel is an ILB who plays on the LOS sometimes - it's not something only 3-4 OLBs do.

See, it was just a big misunderstanding. You weren't suggesting that Carpenter played OLB at all. Now it's time.

:grouphug:

Give your brother a kiss. My peace-making work is done here.

When did I say that ONLY 3-4 OLB's play on the LOS?



First you claim I said something about nickle DE's in my quote 49 - which just isn't there (I invite anyone to look) ........

Then you tell me ILB's ALSO rush the QB from the LOS at times - as if that somehow applies to the discussion.

I never commented one way or another on that - it is irrelevent to what OLB's do.

But for the record, I agree that ILB's do ocassionall rush from the LOS, but the point is that they are still ILB's and not DT's.

That's the crux of this.



My point throughout this was that it is common for 3-4 OLB's to rush the passer in any given situation from a number of positions, including the LOS and including with their hands in the dirt at times - and NOT just in nickle situations, so when Carp did it he was just doing what OLB's do, and not switching positions.

Would you agree or disagree Superpunk?

 

[theogt]

So this all boils down to Stautner saying that Carpenter played a position that OLBs sometimes play. But in addition the same position is a position that ILBs also play and 3-4 DEs also play.

What an astute and meaningful observation, Stautner. I applaud you.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Gotta love those threads comprised 95% of two people insulting each other.

 

[Stautner]

The difference is where they lined up. Ware lined up as a nickel DE and Romo lined up as a QB. It's completely different.

I was linking to my reply to your quote. Are you going to respond to that reply?

My quote said that Carp was doing what 3-4 OLB's do, which includes rushing the QB from the LOS at times.

That's what I've said all along, so what is the point you are trying to make?

 

[theogt]

My quote said that Carp was doing what 3-4 OLB's do, which includes rushing the QB from the LOS at times.

That's what I've said all along, so what is the point you are trying to make?

But it's also what 3-4 DEs and 3-4 ILBs do. So what's your point?

 

[superpunk]

When did I say that ONLY 3-4 OLB's play on the LOS?



First you claim I said something about nickle DE's in my quote 49 - which just isn't there (I invite anyone to look) ........

Then you tell me ILB's ALSO rush the QB from the LOS at times - as if that somehow applies to the discussion.

I never commented one way or another on that - it is irrelevent to what OLB's do.

But for the record, I agree that ILB's do ocassionall rush from the LOS, but the point is that they are still ILB's and not DT's.

That's the crux of this.



My point throughout this was that it is common for 3-4 OLB's to rush the passer in any given situation from a number of positions, including the LOS and including with their hands in the dirt at times - and NOT just in nickle situations, so when Carp did it he was just doing what OLB's do, and not switching positions.

Would you agree or disagree Superpunk?

I didn't read anything you wrote just then.

I'm going to say that I disagree, but might agree if you've got big tits.

 

[ZenItRam]

I think Bradie James should be refered to as BJ until he gets better. Then it could be said the 'boys D got BJ'd.

 

[fortdick]

I didn't read anything you wrote just then.

I'm going to say that I disagree, but might agree if you've got big tits.

I got warned by the Mods for using the T word once.

 

[Stautner]

But it's also what 3-4 DEs and 3-4 ILBs do. So what's your point?

yes they do - all of them do at times.

And my point is and clearly has been that when 3-4 DE's do it they are fullfilling part of the role they play as 3-4 DE's.

And when ILB's do it they are fulfilling part of the role they play as 3-4 ILB's.

And when 3-4 OLB's do it then they are just fulfilling one of the roles required of 3-4 OLB's.

None of them are switching positions - they are all just fullfilling part of what Phillips requires of the position they play.



Defenses would be pretty predictable and easy to beat if ONLY DE's could rush the QB and ONLY in nickle situations.

What I'm saying is that Phillips, and other agressive 3-4 coaches, don't want to be that predictable, and that they don't stick to a set pattern of only designated positions can do certain things.


Of course, I've said this many times before.

 

[superpunk]

I got warned by the Mods for using the T word once.

Well for heavens sake don't quote it!

Now we're all going to get banned.


Christ....you try and help resolve a conflict.....no way am I getting dragged into this bull****.

 

[Stautner]

I didn't read anything you wrote just then.

I'm going to say that I disagree, but might agree if you've got big tits.

Ahh - so this is the problem with the responses to my posts.

Folks feel the need to make up in their head what they want to respond to rather than respond to my actual words.


But I'm not above bribery ........ unfortunately I don't have big tits though.

 

[fortdick]

Well for heavens sake don't quote it!

Now we're all going to get banned.


Christ....you try and help resolve a conflict.....no way am I getting dragged into this bull****.

Warning: Subliminal messages may be included.

 

[fortdick]

Ahh - so this is the problem with the responses to my posts.

Folks feel the need to make up in their head what they want to respond to rather than respond to my actual words.


But I'm not above bribery ........ unfortunately I don't have big tits though.

This thread will be closed in 5...4...3...2...

 

[Stautner]

Should I have said breasts ...... ?

 

[ZenItRam]

Should I have said breasts ...... ?

maybe, but just big or perky too?

 

[Stautner]

maybe, but just big or perky too?

Damn, you sure ask a lot.

But it doesn't matter - mine aren't big or perky, so I have no leverage.

 

[ZenItRam]

Damn, you sure ask a lot.

But it doesn't matter - mine aren't big or perky, so I have no leverage.

i actually prefer perky to big ... but that's neither here nor there