Brady's appeal decision could come next week

[Direwolf63]

The legal system tells me that nothing happened and that Greg Hardy is a swell guy.

Common sense tells me that something very disturbing happened between 2 crazy people that involves drugs, guns and domestic violence.

Sometimes the legal system and common sense reach very different conclusions. See Simpson, O.J.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The legal system tells me that nothing happened and that Greg Hardy is a swell guy.

Common sense tells me that something very disturbing happened between 2 crazy people that involves drugs, guns and domestic violence.

Sometimes the legal system and common sense reach very different conclusions. See Simpson, O.J.

Pretty good post and I agree with you. To what extent, I can not say but all we really have is the legal system. I don't think it's wise to deviate from that because what you get is what we are seeing in the Modern NFL. Can anybody say that this is desirable? I don't really have a lot of faith that the NFL is making progress on this stuff. I feel like every day is a different deal. I think you have to have some sort of baseline for any of it to be successful. At the end of the day, Hardy is a small part of the much more important, much larger picture. The goal should be to get to a point where we no longer see this kind of stuff. I think that only happens through negotiated solutions and that is out the window if the NFL continues to do things in a haphazard fashion. That's just my opinion.

 

[Direwolf63]

Pretty good post and I agree with you. To what extent, I can not say but all we really have is the legal system. I don't think it's wise to deviate from that because what you get is what we are seeing in the Modern NFL. Can anybody say that this is desirable? I don't really have a lot of faith that the NFL is making progress on this stuff. I feel like every day is a different deal. I think you have to have some sort of baseline for any of it to be successful. At the end of the day, Hardy is a small part of the much more important, much larger picture. The goal should be to get to a point where we no longer see this kind of stuff. I think that only happens through negotiated solutions and that is out the window if the NFL continues to do things in a haphazard fashion. That's just my opinion.

Agreed. It's clear that Goodell screwed up the Ray Rice file and is now over compensating by trying to throw Hardy under the bus. Goodell is making it up as he goes along and he is making himself and the league he runs look foolish.

 

[erod]

Agreed. It's clear that Goodell screwed up the Ray Rice file and is now over compensating by trying to throw Hardy under the bus. Goodell is making it up as he goes along and he is making himself and the league he runs look foolish.

But 98 percent of non-Cowboy fans support Goodell on this. I think he's enjoying that part of it.

 

[Direwolf63]

But 98 percent of non-Cowboy fans support Goodell on this. I think he's enjoying that part of it.

I suspect you are correct on this.

 

[phildadon86]

But 98 percent of non-Cowboy fans support Goodell on this. I think he's enjoying that part of it.

If he was signed by the Patriots or the Giants i have no doubt in my mind, this would have already been resolved. Call me a conspiracy theorist all you want. This is my opinion

 

[erod]

Everyone and their mom saw the Ray Rice video.

And I already posted a reply that you conveniently chose to ignore because it was actually a lot closer to the truth than your opinion that is complete fiction.

Your "deductive reasoning" skills, as you so call it, fail to take into account any circumstance so it's hardly deductive, and it's hardly reason, it's 100% opinion.

The fact that you cannot ascertain why Goodell would have reason to suspend him 10 games, or even have the basic rudimentary understanding of the elements of a settlement offer, tells me and everyone else that you're not only completely unqualified to state such an "opinion" as certainty, and that you're too stubborn to even attempt to "reason deductively", as you so aptly put.

Stick to writing, you're good at that.

I suggest you put the pom-poms down and re-think this.

It happened. He settled with her. Period.

Otherwise, there would be no suspension.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't know if 98% of none Cowboy Fans support him on this or not but I don't think that's the number Goodell should be concerned with. The number he should be concerned with is the percentage of players who will be willing to support him in an improved Rules agreement in the next CBA. He has to have the Unions support and that means that the players must want to see change. That only happens if the players feel as if the NFL, and more to the point, Goodell can be trusted. If there is no trust, no player is going to agree to stiffen penalties because all that does is allow for a bigger hammer for Goodell to beat them with, with no guarantee that he will even be fair about sticking to the agreed upon rules IMO

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I suggest you put the pom-poms down and re-think this.

It happened. He settled with her. Period.

Otherwise, there would be no suspension.

This really has no significance to the situation. As I said earlier, the DA does not need her to move forward with charges. You can not say what she would have testified to or if her testimony would have been found to be credible or not. The issue at hand is what can the NFL legally do? I suspect that what that is going to amount to is 2 games. I could be wrong but I think that ultimately, that's what it's going to be, or something very close to that.

 

[erod]

I don't know if 98% of none Cowboy Fans support him on this or not but I don't think that's the number Goodell should be concerned with. The number he should be concerned with is the percentage of players who will be willing to support him in an improved Rules agreement in the next CBA. He has to have the Unions support and that means that the players must want to see change. That only happens if the players feel as if the NFL, and more to the point, Goodell can be trusted. If there is no trust, no player is going to agree to stiffen penalties because all that does is allow for a bigger hammer for Goodell to bet them with, with no guarantee that he will even be fair about sticking to the agreed upon rules IMO

The players will fold as always. The owners LOVE Goodell. He's not going anywhere.

If players strike, they just lose a season of their careers, which average about three years. That's a huge portion of their total earnings just for guys that will come after them. Ain't happening.

The real solution is that these players stop acting like fools. These rules don't matter to guys like Tony Romo or Brandon Carr.

 

[phildadon86]

I suggest you put the pom-poms down and re-think this.

It happened. He settled with her. Period.

Otherwise, there would be no suspension.

Where is your proof? Exactly. Stop stating things as fact unless you were in the court room, have personally read every shread of documentation, or are the woman herself. Enough is enough now.

 

[erod]

This really has no significance to the situation. As I said earlier, the DA does not need her to move forward with charges. You can not say what she would have testified to or if her testimony would have been found to be credible or not. The issue at hand is what can the NFL legally do? I suspect that what that is going to amount to is 2 games. I could be wrong but I think that ultimately, that's what it's going to be, or something very close to that.

When a defendant demands a trial by jury, the DA does need her to testify.

And I do agree that two games is the proper sentence according to the CBA at the time. That's what should happen.

 

[erod]

Where is your proof? Exactly. Stop stating things as fact unless you were in the court room, have personally read every shread of documentation, or are the woman herself. Enough is enough now.

So OJ was innocent, eh?

 

[Rogah]

Where is your proof? Exactly. Stop stating things as fact unless you were in the court room, have personally read every shread of documentation, or are the woman herself. Enough is enough now.

Talk about enough is enough..... with that ridiculous level of proof as the standard, nobody in this forum could ever state anything as fact ever again.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The players will fold as always. The owners LOVE Goodell. He's not going anywhere.

If players strike, they just lose a season of their careers, which average about three years. That's a huge portion of their total earnings just for guys that will come after them. Ain't happening.

The real solution is that these players stop acting like fools. These rules don't matter to guys like Tony Romo or Brandon Carr.

I don't think this is accurate. Yes, eventually the players will come back but it will cost the NFL much more and when push comes to shove, I suspect that fans will care less and less about the moral implications of what Goodell is thinking and just want their Football back. The pressure will be huge to get the game on again and if you really think about this, it's not in the Leagues best interest to strike. The League, and by translation, the owners are really only interested in this because of public opinion and how it relates to the brand. You want to turn people against the NFL Brand, take football away from them and watch how quickly the Brand gets tarnished. That is my opinion anyhow.

 

[phildadon86]

Talk about enough is enough..... with that ridiculous level of proof as the standard, nobody in this forum could ever state anything as fact ever again.

As a legal standard not as the standard i know what you are saying though im just getting annoyed now

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When a defendant demands a trial by jury, the DA does need her to testify.

And I do agree that two games is the proper sentence according to the CBA at the time. That's what should happen.

No, I don't think so. At least not in this state. The DA does not need the plaintiff to press charges in cases such as this. If there is enough proof to move forward, they do and often without the plaintiff's cooperation. It happens here all the time because somebody calls the police in a domestic violence situation and after the fact, the plaintiff decides that they really don't want their partner going to jail so they refuse to cooperate. Doesn't matter, the DA convicts them based on evidence at hand all the time.

 

[erod]

I don't think this is accurate. Yes, eventually the players will come back but it will cost the NFL much more and when push comes to shove, I suspect that fans will care less and less about the moral implications of what Goodell is thinking and just want their Football back. The pressure will be huge to get the game on again and if you really think about this, it's not in the Leagues best interest to strike. The League, and by translation, the owners are really only interested in this because of public opinion and how it relates to the brand. You want to turn people against the NFL Brand, take football away from them and watch how quickly the Brand gets tarnished. That is my opinion anyhow.

People will never turn away from the NFL. Impossible. We're football crack addicts.

The NFL doesn't need Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. It would just cruise on without them. That's not true in the NBA, where about five guys are the whole league. The NFL is so much more powerful than its players. Not true in other sports. And players have a limited shelf life in the NFL, so they have to get it while they can, or they just miss out altogether.

But what will take the NFL down is if they don't get on top of the concussions across football. If school districts get successfully sued, they'll abandon football. That ruins the feeder for college. And if colleges get sued, too, that ends the feeder for the NFL. That is where the danger lies.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

People will never turn away from the NFL. Impossible. We're football crack addicts.

The NFL doesn't need Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. It would just cruise on without them. That's not true in the NBA, where about five guys are the whole league. The NFL is so much more powerful than its players. Not true in other sports. And players have a limited shelf life in the NFL, so they have to get it while they can, or they just miss out altogether.

But what will take the NFL down is if they don't get on top of the concussions across football. If school districts get successfully sued, they'll abandon football. That ruins the feeder for college. And if colleges get sued, too, that ends the feeder for the NFL. That is where the danger lies.

That's exactly what Baseball thought. Trust me, you are going to have a lot of really pissed off Football Fans if the players ultimately strike over something like this.

 

[erod]

No, I don't think so. At least not in this state. The DA does not need the plaintiff to press charges in cases such as this. If there is enough proof to move forward, they do and often without the plaintiff's cooperation. It happens here all the time because somebody calls the police in a domestic violence situation and after the fact, the plaintiff decides that they really don't want their partner going to jail so they refuse to cooperate. Doesn't matter, the DA convicts them based on evidence at hand all the time.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/9/8004315/greg-hardy-trial-dismissed-domestic-violence-arrest