Brandon Gorin may be the one

[Doomsday101]

I don't believe that's what JJ was saying at all. He was saying that TO needs to ratchet it down a bit in practice to reduce the chances of getting hurt. I don't think JJ was implying that TO should get back on the field if he wasn't physically ready to do so. Maybe you've never had a hamstring injury but I can tell you it's not that hard to go from "sore" to "pulled". And once it's pulled, it could be months before it's 100%. When you make your living with tenths of a second you err on the side of caution with a bad hammy.

Yes I have had a pulled hamstring, and have played with broken bones. I also understand during 2 a days most players are feeling sorness in their hamstrings and while I said nothing for the 1st week of the sorness issue and even made statements to others about him resting it was not a bad thing when that turns into 2 weeks then it becomes an issue.

 

[austintodallas]

another update from Vela's blog...

http://theboysblog.com/

Update: (promoted from the threads) Linus claims a NE blog mentions Patriots OT Brandon Gorin as a possible player of interest for Dallas. Gorin was the starting RT for the Pats the last ten games of the ‘04 season and during their successful playoff run. He beat out Tom Ashmore down the stretch last year and started the last eight games at RT.

He’s currently caught in a numbers game. Matt Light is the Pats starting LT. Second year player Nick Kaczur will probably be the RT. He started most of his rookie year at LT after Light went down with an injury and played well. Rookie Ryan O’Callahan has gotten most of the reps with the first team at RT the last couple of weeks. Gorin has gotten some work at LT and had a hard time with Falcons DE John Abraham in last week’s preseason game.

Gorin’s career line reads a little like Scott Shanle’s; a decent player who fell down the depth chart when the team became stronger at his position. We’ll see if anything concrete happens with either of those two.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Only a foolish person was hoping for Deion Branch.

I agree. In 18 career starts, Gorin has allowed 6.5 sacks. The median sacks allowed for offensive tackles last year was 6.5 sacks in 16 games. So he looks to be average to slightly above average in pass protection. I'll take that.


Rich.......

 

[Duane]

I agree. In 18 career starts, Gorin has allowed 6.5 sacks. The median sacks allowed for offensive tackles last year was 6.5 sacks in 16 games. So he looks to be average to slightly above average in pass protection. I'll take that.


Rich.......

I really be more interested in what he did so far as run blocking.

 

[BigDFan5]

Offensive tackle Brandon Gorin

Played in 12 games starting 8 of them allowed 2 sacks had 5 penalties

 

[Alexander]

another update from Vela's blog...

http://theboysblog.com/

Update: (promoted from the threads) Linus claims

Vela is getting his information from a Peanuts character?

For shame.

 

[BigDFan5]

My feeling about TO have not changed and when the owner is on TV saying TO has to learn to practice even if he is not 100% and yes that is exactly what he said no spin just fact. As I said yesterday, please keep kissing his butt and making excuses for him and blaming everyone for picking on him. Yet is was nice to see you say well the story on Key was true while in the same breath attacking the media over TO, love how you pick and choose when it comes to reporters as long as it fits your view. Your a joke

That is not what Jones said and anyone that read it knows better.

Parcells even reiterated the point that Jones was not talking about practicing hurt.

The only spin is you trying to make the quote fit what you want it to mean

 

[Alexander]

I agree. In 18 career starts, Gorin has allowed 6.5 sacks. The median sacks allowed for offensive tackles last year was 6.5 sacks in 16 games. So he looks to be average to slightly above average in pass protection. I'll take that.


Rich.......

It certainly beats what we are used to.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I really be more interested in what he did so far as run blocking.

I don't have Joyner's book on me at this moment, so I don't know what his run blocking metrics look like.

Even still, give me pass protection over run blocking for now. Last year the offense was scoring at a good rate and moving the ball despite subpar run blocking. Hopefully if Owens gets back and plays somewhere like he has the past few seasons, he can open up the field and make the running game more effective.


Rich........

 

[DLCassidy]

Yes I have had a pulled hamstring, and have played with broken bones. I also understand during 2 a days most players are feeling sorness in their hamstrings and while I said nothing for the 1st week of the sorness issue and even made statements to others about him resting it was not a bad thing when that turns into 2 weeks then it becomes an issue.

You did misinterpret what Jerry Jones said about TO, that's a fact. And it's very easy for fans to sit up in their ivory towers and say what players should or shouldn't be doing. TO is a guy that has had no history of blowing off practice- in fact he practices as hard as anyone. But if he comes back today and has a healthy year wouldn't you agree he made the right call for himself and the Cowboys? I just don't get the bluster on this from various people.

 

[AbeBeta]

I agree. In 18 career starts, Gorin has allowed 6.5 sacks. The median sacks allowed for offensive tackles last year was 6.5 sacks in 16 games. So he looks to be average to slightly above average in pass protection. I'll take that.


Rich.......

Anyone know what sort of help he was getting? I think we saw pretty clearly last year that if you can give a tackle help on most plays that he won't give up many sacks.

That 6.5 number looks good -- but we really need to know whether he's doing that on an island or with a TE assisting.

 

[Alexander]

You did misinterpret what Jerry Jones said about TO, that's a fact. And it's very easy for fans to sit up in their ivory towers and say what players should or shouldn't be doing. TO is a guy that has had no history of blowing off practice- in fact he practices as hard as anyone. But if he comes back today and has a healthy year wouldn't you agree he made the right call for himself and the Cowboys? I just don't get the bluster on this from various people.

The bluster comes from simply not liking him. Simple as that.

Some just need to cut the act. Don't pretend to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It is nice to shroud it in dramatic buzzwords like "team" so on, but the simple fact is that he is reviled.

Anyone who says "he might be but anyways I said I would give him a chance no more because right now he is not being what a good teammate should be and he needs to get on the field thats all I have to say about that" is just covering up their revulsion that has never wavered. Just get used to it coming out when he does something they disagree with.

 

[BigDFan5]

Anyone know what sort of help he was getting? I think we saw pretty clearly last year that if you can give a tackle help on most plays that he won't give up many sacks.

That 6.5 number looks good -- but we really need to know whether he's doing that on an island or with a TE assisting.

Thats a great question but almost impossible to answer without seeing the games :/

 

[AbeBeta]

Thats a great question but almost impossible to answer without seeing the games :/

True.

But is shows you how limited statistical analysis can be.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Gorin. Interesting.

If it is Gorin then Fabini is gone.

I would have expected an interior guy -- because if we start Gurode, and Peterman doesn't get it together very soon, then we are looking at Proctor as our only guard backup.

that was exactly my thought. Proctor and Peterman don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. what's the scoop on their guards?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

sounds...good

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bill B likes his lineman to be versatile too, maybe GOrin has practiced some at OG?

 

[DLCassidy]

Anyone know what sort of help he was getting? I think we saw pretty clearly last year that if you can give a tackle help on most plays that he won't give up many sacks.

That 6.5 number looks good -- but we really need to know whether he's doing that on an island or with a TE assisting.

2006 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 68 | Key
Alert: None

Comment:
He has adequate overall strength, but it is more a result of size rather than power and explosiveness. He does a decent job of getting to the second level, he has adequate wall off technique. He can get away with it because of his size and the ability to engulf defenders, but he will struggle vs. a big physical DE who comes right over the top in a two gap technique, because he is not a strong anchor player, and he is not going to play the game with his lower body and really root out defenders.

 

[Doomsday101]

That is not what Jones said and anyone that read it knows better.

Parcells even reiterated the point that Jones was not talking about practicing hurt.

The only spin is you trying to make the quote fit what you want it to mean

I did not read it I saw Jerry on the Cowboys pre-game saying that. Only people who are saying otherwise is those who run out of their way to cover for TO at every turn. You guys blame everything on media and others but not once have you even indicated that a lot of the problems with TO is TO. You guys sound like the Philly fans did when they 1st signed him well they are singing a different tune today and it came as no suprise.

 

[BigDFan5]

I did not read it I saw Jerry on the Cowboys pre-game saying that. Only people who are saying otherwise is those who run out of their way to cover for TO at every turn. You guys blame everything on media and others but not once have you even indicated that a lot of the problems with TO is TO. You guys sound like the Philly fans did when they 1st signed him well they are singing a different tune today and it came as no suprise.

W4ell if you saw it then you definately know you are wrong, because I watched it on TV as well and understood exactly what he was saying as did so many other poeple without an agenda to further.

At NO POINT did Jerry say that TO needs to learn to practice when he is 75% healthy YOU misunderstood not us