Brandon Jacobs wants Marion Barber money

[JimDandy]

Read my post - total yards. Much more to the game than just running.

Okay, so he averages under 4 yds a carry (Hambrick type numbers), BUT can catch the ball out of backfield. That still doesn't justify the fat contract given to him. Jacobs is clearly the better RUNNING back.

Again, I find Barber a fine situational player, but he certainly isn't worth the money JJ threw his way.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yep. Barber excelled as a receiver, but was average as a lead runner.

That's what you'd expect from a backup. not a guy with a $45M contract.

In those 12 games he was healthy, he averaged over 100 total yards a game.

Those are outstanding numbers. I defy you to find a backup who produced like that.

 

[AbeBeta]

Okay, so he averages under 4 yds a carry (Hambrick type numbers), BUT can catch the ball out of backfield. That still doesn't justify the fat contract given to him. Jacobs is clearly the better RUNNING back.

Again, I find Barber a fine situational player, but he certainly isn't worth the money JJ threw his way.

Jacobs was the better RUNNER last year. But Barber was clearly better as an all around back.

A guy that averages 100 yards run+receiving per game is always going to be in the top 10 in the league in that category. Barber's salary is totally in line with that.

 

[TNCowboy]

In those 12 games he was healthy, he averaged over 100 total yards a game.

Those are outstanding numbers. I defy you to find a backup who produced like that.

His YPC was pitiful. One of the league's worst among starters. The difference is other teams didn't keep feeding the ball to a RB who wasn't producing.

I doubt you'd find anyone to agree that Barber's #s were outstanding. His yards per touch were horrible. The only reason he had 1,300 yards was that he had almost 300 touches. And he was one of the league's worst fumblers.

Contrast that with Tashard Choices #s against much tougher defenses.

You're embarrassing yourself by pretending otherwise.

 

[AbeBeta]

His YPC was pitiful. One of the league's worst among starters. The difference is other teams didn't keep feeding the ball to a RB who wasn't producing.

I doubt you'd find anyone to agree that Barber's #s were outstanding. His yards per touch were horrible. The only reason he had 1,300 yards was that he had almost 300 touches. And he was one of the league's worst fumblers.

Contrast that with Tashard Choices #s against much tougher defenses.

You're embarrassing yourself by pretending otherwise.

Again, 100 yards per game (rush+receiving) is outstanding production. Period. That's top 10 every year and would have been around 5th best in the league last year.

You are embarrassing yourself by making it painfully clear that you don't like what Barber brought b/c your fantasy league doesn't give you credit for his receiving yards.

 

[TNCowboy]

Again, 100 yards per game (rush+receiving) is outstanding production. Period. That's top 10 every year and would have been around 5th best in the league last year.

You are embarrassing yourself by making it painfully clear that you don't like what Barber brought b/c your fantasy league doesn't give you credit for his receiving yards.

Derrick Ward produced more yards on far less touches.

You have to be some kind of homer to think Barber was anything more than a JAG in 2008. Most backs good enough to make an NFL roster can get a 100 yds a game if they get as many touches as Barber did. Our 2 backups certainly could.

 

[Rampage]

Jacobs has rushed for over a 1,000 yards each of the last 2 seasons in only 11 and 13 games.

 

[JimDandy]

Derrick Ward produced more yards on far less touches.

You have to be some kind of homer to think Barber was anything more than a JAG in 2008. Most backs good enough to make an NFL roster can get a 100 yds a game if they get as many touches as Barber did. Our 2 backups certainly could.

Exactly. Barber is a great situational back. Nothing more. Jacobs is a better rushing back and has every right to think he deserves the type of money that JJ foolishly forked out to keep Barber. Again, I love Barber's heart and what he brings to the team, but he is not a franchise RB. Far from it.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I hope he gets Chad Hutchinson money.

 

[AbeBeta]

Derrick Ward produced more yards on far less touches.

You have to be some kind of homer to think Barber was anything more than a JAG in 2008. Most backs good enough to make an NFL roster can get a 100 yds a game if they get as many touches as Barber did. Our 2 backups certainly could.

And? Barber's last 4 games were a wash.

Over those first 12 he produced 100 yards per game for us. That sort of production is outstanding. You are comparing Ward's 16 game to what realistically was 12 for MB and also comparing Ward, who often played against Ds that had been softened by Jacobs, to Barber who started the games and played the role of the guy who softened up the D. Tack on to that Barber playing 3 of those 12 games with Brad Johnson as QB.

Of course, you are just upset that your fantasy football performance was poor because of him.

 

[AbeBeta]

Exactly. Barber is a great situational back. Nothing more. Jacobs is a better rushing back and has every right to think he deserves the type of money that JJ foolishly forked out to keep Barber. Again, I love Barber's heart and what he brings to the team, but he is not a franchise RB. Far from it.

The sort of money that Barber got was not extraordinary. Come the end of this free agent season, he'll likely be around the 10th highest paid back in the league at best.

Of course, if you don't have a clue about what players make or what a true franchise back - of which there are very few -- makes, then you are sure to make stupid statements about his salary.

 

[jterrell]

Marion Barber doesn't deserve Marion Barber Money. BJ doesn't deserve it either... Watch how a real GM handles this...

yes, let's watch... as Jacobs gets paid.

 

[AbeBeta]

yes, let's watch... as Jacobs gets paid.

He will. Of course, Barber didn't get the amazingly huge deal that people seem to think. Add to that Jacobs being a UFA rather than an RFA and he's going to end up with something like 7 years, 55 million.

 

[DCBoysfan]

If he leaves the divsion I would'nt be mad

 

[JimDandy]

The sort of money that Barber got was not extraordinary...

:laugh2:

 

[AbeBeta]

:laugh2:

Dandy - you better go research current salaries and where they are projected to go. Come back after you actually have some knowledge. Seriously, it keeps you from looking so stupid.

 

[CF74]

Barber didnt have a great yr AB. He had an ok one. The fumbles also were a problem, he had way too many. The fact Choice came in the last month of the season and had as much, if not more success than Barber did while also facing 4 of the league's best defenses doesnt make Barber look great either.

The OL deserves some blame too though, they had a number of games where they played like crap.

Choice really made Barber look average this year. Had Choice been brought in sooner, we would have won more games.

 

[GoBoys41]

Teams literally paid very little attention to Choice. He also ran with fresh legs against tired defenses aka the Julius Jones effect. I think he's a guy capable of starting but there's no guarantee he performs better than Barber starting from week 1.

 

[AbeBeta]

Choice really made Barber look average this year. Had Choice been brought in sooner, we would have won more games.

REALLY?

We went 1-3 with Choice starting. Whoopdeefreakingdee.

 

[Arch Stanton]

REALLY?

We went 1-3 with Choice starting. Whoopdeefreakingdee.

He did play against the #1, #2, #3 and #5 defenses in those games. Four tough starts.

Not saying he is better than Barber, but I wouldn't be upset if Choice / Felix started the game and Barber went back to closer. Unfortunately they wont get much of a chance to run the ball.