Breaking Down Every Single Dak Interception

[T-RO]

I just am tired of all the excuses for him. Long since tired of it. So no it’s not equitable how I relate on the board with those topics there are many more opportunities to address the Dak trolls

I'm way past tired of both the Dak and Romo bashing.

 

[CowboyoWales]

no. I don't normally say he needs weapons. that's your spin. I said, because he is not Elite, he needs better weapons. that subtlety is totally lost on you. but I get it. you have an agenda to drive. you have to stick to your bag of "key words".

....and there's my point, you cant apportion any blame on Dak, you blamed external factors eg weapons. You'll argue to the last breath, even to the pedantic point of ......"he needs weapons" ...vrs "he needs BETTER weapons".

What's needed for him to advance is to assess what he can and cant do, if you dont you just keep repeating the mistakes. Receivers will make a difference, but, for me the WCO will be the key as that should help overcome Dak's anxiety level's in pressure situations (especially waiting on routes).....which ive always said is the issue with his game.

 

[starfan1]

I'm way past tired of both the Dak and Romo bashing.

You’re so tired of it that you felt like adding to it by posting another troll thread. Congrats

 

[T-RO]

You’re so tired of it that you felt like adding to it by posting another troll thread. Congrats

Do you know how many posts and threads I've created to support Dak? (Hint: Lots)

This thread is my best to be on-point objective about Dak's interceptions. He hasn't been a high turnover guy through his career-I wanted to scrutinize what's going on.

 

[doomsday9084]

If the intent is truly to objectively analyze what is going on with Dak, you have to also look at the throws where he threw it right to a defender and the guy dropped it. There was more than one of them.

Overall, I agree with T-RO that Dak has largely been a low turnover guy through his career. I largely blame Moore for the interceptions. That said, it should also be a lesson learned that if the team puts everything on Dak's shoulders that he will be a high turnover guy. The team needs a good run game all game long, not just when Pollard is in.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

....and there's my point, you cant apportion any blame on Dak, you blamed external factors eg weapons. You'll argue to the last breath, even to the pedantic point of ......"he needs weapons" ...vrs "he needs BETTER weapons".

What's needed for him to advance is to assess what he can and cant do, if you dont you just keep repeating the mistakes. Receivers will make a difference, but, for me the WCO will be the key as that should help overcome Dak's anxiety level's in pressure situations (especially waiting on routes).....which ive always said is the issue with his game.

what!!!! what else is there to say that he is not Elite. as in he is not perfect. as in he makes mistakes. as in he needs help. as in he can't carry a team as he needs weapons to help him....if he was elite or great, he wouldn't need those weapons. but that logic is so lost on you, trying to drive your agenda and pre-packaged comments you pull out each post.

and for cowboys to succeed, given we have no other alternatives, we need to have a better team around him!!!

seriously, you are right now in the middle of atlantic ocean, holding on to a straw in the middle of storm with 50 foot waves. you have no chance. your spin, just sinks you deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. stop it. help yourself and stop it.

and please do us a favor child, stop with this anxiety level pressure childish comments. it makes you look like a elementary schooler and perhaps your are one, and if you are I apologize. your comments reflect it

 

[CowboyoWales]

what!!!! what else is there to say that he is not Elite. as in he is not perfect. as in he makes mistakes. as in he needs help. as in he can't carry a team as he needs weapons to help him....if he was elite or great, he wouldn't need those weapons. but that logic is so lost on you, trying to drive your agenda and pre-packaged comments you pull out each post.

and for cowboys to succeed, given we have no other alternatives, we need to have a better team around him!!!

seriously, you are right now in the middle of atlantic ocean, holding on to a straw in the middle of storm with 50 foot waves. you have no chance. your spin, just sinks you deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. stop it. help yourself and stop it.

and please do us a favor child, stop with this anxiety level pressure childish comments. it makes you look like a elementary schooler and perhaps your are one, and if you are I apologize. your comments reflect it

You're still incapable of analysing as to why he isn't elite. That's make it look as you're in denial, passing the blame to others around him.

 

[CowboyoWales]

If the intent is truly to objectively analyze what is going on with Dak, you have to also look at the throws where he threw it right to a defender and the guy dropped it. There was more than one of them.

Overall, I agree with T-RO that Dak has largely been a low turnover guy through his career. I largely blame Moore for the interceptions. That said, it should also be a lesson learned that if the team puts everything on Dak's shoulders that he will be a high turnover guy. The team needs a good run game all game long, not just when Pollard is in.

Fair appraisal....though I'd point to the 3rd Down, long yardage and number of end of half Ints (and the one on the very next play after Pollard went down), as a reflection that he over try's or feels he needs to make throws that aren't there....which is the basis of my 'simplify' the design and speed up the release of the ball.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You're still incapable of analysing as to why he isn't elite. That's make it look as you're in denial, passing the blame to others around him.

you still incapable of saying not everything is his fault. you spin and spin and avoid and avoid. not being elite and needing help sums it up. so in order to avoid you ask for analysis which is totally irrelevant.

at this point, you are 6 feet under water, yet insist to let go of the straw and grab the life jacket that's right next to you. your choice. continue to sink or let me help you save yourself.

really. at this point. I am done.

 

[CowboyoWales]

you still incapable of saying not everything is his fault. you spin and spin and avoid and avoid. not being elite and needing help sums it up. so in order to avoid you ask for analysis which is totally irrelevant.

at this point, you are 6 feet under water, yet insist to let go of the straw and grab the life jacket that's right next to you. your choice. continue to sink or let me help you save yourself.

really. at this point. I am done.

Just read this response to @doomsday9084.... who at least looks at both sides...

Fair appraisal....though I'd point to the 3rd Down, long yardage and number of end of half Ints (and the one on the very next play after Pollard went down), as a reflection that he over try's or feels he needs to make throws that aren't there....which is the basis of my 'simplify' the design and speed up the release of the ball.

 

[blueblood70]

If the intent is truly to objectively analyze what is going on with Dak, you have to also look at the throws where he threw it right to a defender and the guy dropped it. There was more than one of them.

Overall, I agree with T-RO that Dak has largely been a low turnover guy through his career. I largely blame Moore for the interceptions. That said, it should also be a lesson learned that if the team puts everything on Dak's shoulders that he will be a high turnover guy. The team needs a good run game all game long, not just when Pollard is in.

First of all we can't do that you can go back to every game for every quarterback and say the same thing I mean Trayvon diggs drop date interception that could have changed the game against the 49ers and maybe we're not having this conversation also could have broke up that big pasta kittles which would have lowered purdy's stat line we don't have all day for the what ifs and what could have beens that happens in all sports to all players but especially the quarterbacks I mean everyone's all up Cooper rushes boxers shorts around here acting like he's careful with the ball and he had two interceptions called back in the Washington game he had two fumbles that he got lucky we recovered in the Rams game and he had three interceptions in the Philadelphia game and I guarantee if you go back into those games you're going to find near misses that should have been interceptions and that's over five games bud. Why don't you count those up for me those near misses and the ones that actually happened. So close to seven or eight turnovers in five games but he was somehow the hero last year there's still some people mouthing off that Cooper rush would have been better against the 49ers than Prescott and that's a joke.

But the reason that TRO is bringing this up is because you look at other players that are Hall of Fame material that are considered elite quarterbacks like Josh Allen has led the league in total turnover since he came in also Peyton Manning after 97 games had nearly twice as many interceptions as Prescott's first 97 games, Brett farve was known for throwing interceptions , how about Matthew Stafford everyone's all giving this guy credit for coming over to the Rams and being the missing piece are you kidding me the dude that over 20 turnovers and threw two interceptions in the Super bowl. Here's the difference they were the better team he had a better team around him that were able to overcome mistakes because all quarterbacks make mistakes you just hope they can limit the mistakes which by the way you wanna rip Prescott for the two interceptions that fans think were the key to losing the game and Michael Gallup was responsible for the first one even though Prescott still threw the ball he threw it to a spot gallop didn't finish his route correctly he was able to get pushed off his route didn't make an effort to come back and the defender was able to go get the ball knock it was a bad throw because the receiver never made an effort to go to that spot so if you want to be fair put it on both of them but they sit here and act like there wasn't a breakdown in that play and it's all Prescott's fault is ridiculous that's why people are here talking about the other seven or eight interceptions during the regular season that were far more somebody else's fault than Prescott.

if you go back and look just over the last two seasons so that way we keep it fair Prescott only has one more interception then Joe Burrows and Patrick mahomes.. So let's keep a clear head here you wanna make comps people wanna keep bringing up the negatives let's just keep it league wide and we can find players who Cowboys fans seem to think is better and yet if you really go break it down Prescott still a top ten quarterback and is a lot better than some of his own fans think.

So This is why some fans have to come in here and be the voice of reason and defend Prescott because overall for his career his first 97 games again with Peyton Manning he's has slightly better stats both in the playoffs and in the regular season half the turnovers Peyton Manning was also two and four and then also three and six before he broke through and won his first Super Bowl if fans would have given up on him in Indianapolis what would have happened he would have went somewhere else and won a Super Bowl.

 

[Captain-Crash]

The thread was over when somebody said it was everybody else's fault. dak has never thrown a bad ball. The guys either are too short or their legs are not long enough to catch the ball, and sometimes the receivers don't jump over the defender's back to catch those on-target throws.

 

[doomsday9084]

First of all we can't do that you can go back to every game for every quarterback and say the same thing I mean Trayvon diggs drop date interception that could have changed the game against the 49ers and maybe we're not having this conversation also could have broke up that big pasta kittles which would have lowered purdy's stat line we don't have all day for the what ifs and what could have beens that happens in all sports to all players but especially the quarterbacks I mean everyone's all up Cooper rushes boxers shorts around here acting like he's careful with the ball and he had two interceptions called back in the Washington game he had two fumbles that he got lucky we recovered in the Rams game and he had three interceptions in the Philadelphia game and I guarantee if you go back into those games you're going to find near misses that should have been interceptions and that's over five games bud. Why don't you count those up for me those near misses and the ones that actually happened. So close to seven or eight turnovers in five games but he was somehow the hero last year there's still some people mouthing off that Cooper rush would have been better against the 49ers than Prescott and that's a joke.

But the reason that TRO is bringing this up is because you look at other players that are Hall of Fame material that are considered elite quarterbacks like Josh Allen has led the league in total turnover since he came in also Peyton Manning after 97 games had nearly twice as many interceptions as Prescott's first 97 games, Brett farve was known for throwing interceptions , how about Matthew Stafford everyone's all giving this guy credit for coming over to the Rams and being the missing piece are you kidding me the dude that over 20 turnovers and threw two interceptions in the Super bowl. Here's the difference they were the better team he had a better team around him that were able to overcome mistakes because all quarterbacks make mistakes you just hope they can limit the mistakes which by the way you wanna rip Prescott for the two interceptions that fans think were the key to losing the game and Michael Gallup was responsible for the first one even though Prescott still threw the ball he threw it to a spot gallop didn't finish his route correctly he was able to get pushed off his route didn't make an effort to come back and the defender was able to go get the ball knock it was a bad throw because the receiver never made an effort to go to that spot so if you want to be fair put it on both of them but they sit here and act like there wasn't a breakdown in that play and it's all Prescott's fault is ridiculous that's why people are here talking about the other seven or eight interceptions during the regular season that were far more somebody else's fault than Prescott.

if you go back and look just over the last two seasons so that way we keep it fair Prescott only has one more interception then Joe Burrows and Patrick mahomes.. So let's keep a clear head here you wanna make comps people wanna keep bringing up the negatives let's just keep it league wide and we can find players who Cowboys fans seem to think is better and yet if you really go break it down Prescott still a top ten quarterback and is a lot better than some of his own fans think.

So This is why some fans have to come in here and be the voice of reason and defend Prescott because overall for his career his first 97 games again with Peyton Manning he's has slightly better stats both in the playoffs and in the regular season half the turnovers Peyton Manning was also two and four and then also three and six before he broke through and won his first Super Bowl if fans would have given up on him in Indianapolis what would have happened he would have went somewhere else and won a Super Bowl.

I'm generally of the opinion that Dak is an average QB in an era where the average QB is pretty dam good. I think the team can win with him but he isn't going to out gunsling Patrick Mahomes. He needs a good defense, O line and run game.

I also don't give all of the credit or blame to QB's for wins and losses. Cooper Rush's 5-1 record as a starter doesn't make him an elite QB.

Passer rating ranking / QBR ranking for the active QB's you just brought up:
Mahomes 2nd / 1st
Allen 8th / 2nd
Burrows 6th / 10th
Prescott 16th / 12th

The reason why people say that Mahomes, Allen and Burrows are better than Dak is because they ARE better than Dak. Bringing them up in regards to Dak and throwing in Peyton Manning is NOT being the voice of reason. If anything, its just inciting the Dak haters (of which, I am not one) to pile on.

 

[Captain-Crash]

I'm way past tired of both the Dak and Romo bashing.

I'm not. I'm bashing the hell out of dak until he's gone just like Garrett. I see no differences.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

The thread was over when somebody said it was everybody else's fault. dak has never thrown a bad ball. The guys either are too short or their legs are not long enough to catch the ball, and sometimes the receivers don't jump over the defender's back to catch those on-target throws.

And really, why can’t Jerry just make a trade for the CB when he makes the interception and this way when he runs the ball into the end zone it’s 7 points for the cowboys

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

I'm generally of the opinion that Dak is an average QB in an era where the average QB is pretty dam good. I think the team can win with him but he isn't going to out gunsling Patrick Mahomes. He needs a good defense, O line and run game.

I also don't give all of the credit or blame to QB's for wins and losses. Cooper Rush's 5-1 record as a starter doesn't make him an elite QB.

Passer rating ranking / QBR ranking for the active QB's you just brought up:
Mahomes 2nd / 1st
Allen 8th / 2nd
Burrows 6th / 10th
Prescott 16th / 12th

The reason why people say that Mahomes, Allen and Burrows are better than Dak is because they ARE better than Dak. Bringing them up in regards to Dak and throwing in Peyton Manning is NOT being the voice of reason. If anything, its just inciting the Dak haters (of which, I am not one) to pile on.

The closest QB out there today that is comparable to Dak is Kurt Cousins.

 

[Kevinicus]

This isn't really true. You can't have massive win probability swings in the beginning of a game.

That doesn't negate anything I said.

Sure, scoring a TD with 10 seconds left changes probabilities dramatically, but that is because the previous 99.9% of the variables are already factored in at that point. That doesn't mean the TD at 5 minutes left in the first quarter wasn't just as important to the outcome.

 

[Kevinicus]

I dont have All-22, so spending hours trying to find who got ball first in the second half on the 10 INT's Dak had right before half time or the score of the game during those 10 INT's seems questionable. Im not asking anyone to do the work for me...

I played little league, middle school and high school football...and taking calculated risks was always something coaches did.

If you were going to take on some risk...would the following scenario be a bad risk or fair risk to you...

Assume these things:

1) You get ball back first after half

2) Based on time on the clock and confidence in your defense...you dont believe if you turn ball over the other team will score before half

A couple of things...and INT can be a pick six. Im well aware. Also...I want to bring score at time of INT into this...but I dont really know if it matters unless you are ahead which means you can take on more risk.

What I am getting at is...Ive never played without coaches taking risks. Garrett got ran out of town for being too conservative. What you are saying is true, but I question if the game is played like that or if you can play sports mistake free...executing plays or calling plays. Just seems odd to have a stance like that with sports, when sports is about scoring points to win...and risk is a big part of that. Which is why I said I dont understand your post.

Is pushing the ball downfield in an attempt to score before half...and that push leads to a INT that doesnt change score of game... a mistake that makes the second half harder? I question that. I get that all mistakes arent clean and sometimes they hurt your team badly...but with the above scenario...assuming the INT doesnt lead to points for the other team(did any of them?)...does that mistake make the second half harder for Cowboys?

Playing the game mistake free/risk free is like refusing to pass on 3rd and long because the risk of INT's is greater than if you ran the ball. The game isnt played like that.

I'm just saying that there is no increased value later in the game over earlier in the game.
The first play of the game can have just as big of an impact as the last.

All of it factors in.
You can play great early and give yourself a larger margin of error later in the game.
Or you can play poorly making you have to be more perfect as you go on.
It's all connected. It all matters/counts.
That's it.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

That doesn't negate anything I said.

Sure, scoring a TD with 10 seconds left changes probabilities dramatically, but that is because the previous 99.9% of the variables are already factored in at that point. That doesn't mean the TD at 5 minutes left in the first quarter wasn't just as important to the outcome.

That's exactly what it means

 

[FanofJerry]

I'm just saying that there is no increased value later in the game over earlier in the game.
The first play of the game can have just as big of an impact as the last.

All of it factors in.
You can play great early and give yourself a larger margin of error later in the game.
Or you can play poorly making you have to be more perfect as you go on.
It's all connected. It all matters/counts.
That's it.

Im supporting taking the calculated risk of trying to score before half by being aggressive if there is a low chance of turning the ball over leads to points for the other team.

That being said...If that is what the Cowboys are/were doing with the 10 Dak INT's, aka BEING AGGRESSIVE, I am all for it.

Dak haters can use those turnovers as ammo to say he sucks or is a turnover machine...I dont care.

Again...I dont know if the 10 INT's before half were because of what I am supporting.

I dont have the numbers...but I am confident the historic stats are low for teams being aggressive before half and turning the ball over which lead to points for the other team. If my speculation is correct...there is a higher chance of your risk/mistake NOT MAKING THE SECOND HALF HARDER FOR YOU. Its just a turnover. Nothing more, nothing less.

Am I being a bonehead?