Breaking Down Every Single Dak Interception

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Agree it's poor design, but I wonder if that's because Dak has a tendency to stare down the receiver and struggles reading a Defense that changes post snap which would be compounded if his reads are both sides of the field.
Limit his options and give him 2 check downs....with CeeDee, Cooks and Pollard's YACability, the WCO is going to help/suit him.
now you are spinning into something that has nothing to do with play design...essentially you said Dak sucks, so we have to design crappy plays for him. but that's the fanbase on this board.
 

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now you are spinning into something that has nothing to do with play design...essentially you said Dak sucks, so we have to design crappy plays for him. but that's the fanbase on this board.
Conversely you're attempting to blame the issue on play design. The issue is that Dak has the ball in his hands and plays are designed to get the best out of him, IF THE PLAY ISNT THERE DONT THROW IT. You complain about curls, well it could be argued that they suit Dak as the last couple of years there seems to be missing behind receivers running a slant.
 

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Conversely you're attempting to blame the issue on play design. The issue is that Dak has the ball in his hands and plays are designed to get the best out of him, IF THE PLAY ISNT THERE DONT THROW IT. You complain about curls, well it could be argued that they suit Dak as the last couple of years there seems to be missing behind receivers running a slant.
you telling me the play design was good? having two WRs in the same area of the field, same depth, almost running into each other is a good play design? well, that explains why you are not an NFL offensive coordinatior.

so bad play design, followed by bad execution!!!...but you haven't even looked at the play, you just have ready to go responses you pull out of your back pocket.

the first frame of the play and you see brown is open and running in the directin and throw is going there
second play the defender doesn't intercept, but gets a finger on it
THIRD FRAME THE BALL HITS BROWN IN THE HANDS. then catch the damn ball!!!!! except he doesn't lets the ball bounce up and into the defender's hands behind him.
but lets not blame anyone but Dak, because Dak sucks, we need to run middle school plays for him. forget everything else. forget bad play design. no, I don't want to put blame there. forget WRs having to make a play.

its the NFL. no play is going to be perfect. players have to make plays. in this case. brown should have had that ball. he didn't.

btw, I assume you also blame the Jags game over time interception on Dak because brown bounced the ball in the air,. a ball that hit him in the hands, in his belly.
 

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you telling me the play design was good? having two WRs in the same area of the field, same depth, almost running into each other is a good play design? well, that explains why you are not an NFL offensive coordinatior.

so bad play design, followed by bad execution!!!...but you haven't even looked at the play, you just have ready to go responses you pull out of your back pocket.

the first frame of the play and you see brown is open and running in the directin and throw is going there
second play the defender doesn't intercept, but gets a finger on it
THIRD FRAME THE BALL HITS BROWN IN THE HANDS. then catch the damn ball!!!!! except he doesn't lets the ball bounce up and into the defender's hands behind him.
but lets not blame anyone but Dak, because Dak sucks, we need to run middle school plays for him. forget everything else. forget bad play design. no, I don't want to put blame there. forget WRs having to make a play.

its the NFL. no play is going to be perfect. players have to make plays. in this case. brown should have had that ball. he didn't.

btw, I assume you also blame the Jags game over time interception on Dak because brown bounced the ball in the air,. a ball that hit him in the hands, in his belly.
Lol, I love how you bite and overreact. I never said the play design was great ,however, it's there to help Dak out. As you don't accept Dak has weaknesses (your usual non-specific 'he's not elite'), then nothings Dak's fault.
I think we need to simplify (I bet you'll throw a fit at that) the design so that Dak doesn't have a number of progressions and doesn't have to wait for plays to develop ....as he appears to panic and feels he needs to (over)perform, when in reality he's better playing it simple.
 

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Interception 08

FYI...this ball is absolutely rifled towards the target.

At first I thought Noah Brown dropped this, but inspecting frame by frame I suspect a Texan managed to get just a fingernail on it. Ball was accurate, read didn't seem egregious. It's football, man. I don't blame Dak for this. You want to tell me what Dak should have done different, I'm all ears.

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I didn't go back and watch all the breakdowns of his interceptions that it's linked to this thread..

however I remember most of them and yes seven or eight were not on Prescott...

I mean did he mention in the link that there were three of them that were either tipped at the line because of poor offensive line getting stood straight up and or Prescott actually during his follow through had his jersey grab from behind in Jacksonville on the one that sailed over schultz's head and became an interception Prescott was releasing the ball it's not his fault the offensive line let his guy go and dak cant see behind him,

its like you said part of football...

he had another one where he had his hand hit during the follow through that was an interception which ironically was very much like the type of situation with a dirty pocket that he broke his hand on a follow through that offensive line was not great in many games last year there was a stretch where they were but once the injuries started happening and the line shuffling started happening things changed.

I mean the pass rush win rate was pretty bad for the offensive line that somehow some of the ESPN guys are coming on here claiming we had a top five offensive line, umm not all year we didn't not in the playoffs we didn't... I mean somebody needs to get a clue it's not about the 17 game grades it's about the big games against the better defenses or after we were shuffling the offensive line things changed.

so yes partly it was on some of the poor routes being ran too many guys in the same area balls bouncing off receivers hands there were just poor decisions by Prescott for some of them but for sure there's seven or eight interceptions last year that could be gone back and say Prescott was not at fault for...

I mean it doesn't matter now and the one that you're picturing here, I don't care if you got a fingernail on it Noah brown still knew the ball was coming to him he saw the ball and he's really bad at reacting to the ball we've seen it all year and now he's gone. Unless you throw the guy perfect passes he's not catching them that's his problem he has concentration issues
 

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Romo's horse was supposed to be dead too.

My comment has little to do with dead horses and more to do with criticism without solutions/examples. Wanted to give him an opportunity to expound,
as long as the dak el torro poo poo continues so will the other. They both were failed by the GM but our great fanbase continues go back and forth at one another to try and be right. yes i know i can scroll by.
 

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as long as the dak el torro poo poo continues so will the other. They both were failed by the GM but our great fanbase continues go back and forth at one another to try and be right. yes i know i can scroll by.
So...you dont blame AC for his recent horse beating....its somebody else's fault?
Hmm.well okay then.
 

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Lol, I love how you bite and overreact. I never said the play design was great ,however, it's there to help Dak out. As you don't accept Dak has weaknesses (your usual non-specific 'he's not elite'), then nothings Dak's fault.
I think we need to simplify (I bet you'll throw a fit at that) the design so that Dak doesn't have a number of progressions and doesn't have to wait for plays to develop ....as he appears to panic and feels he needs to (over)perform, when in reality he's better playing it simple.
you dismissed play design as an issue in the matter. yet, the play design sucked. now you are wanting to backtrack slowly.

and again, did the ball hit the WR square in the hand, despite the tip from the defender.....should he have caught it? and you totally dismissed that.

leave the play calling and design to the cowboys OC. you are way over your head. you have too much agenda to drive to be able to have any level of objectivity.

this middle school level logic and TMZ reasoning in your last sentence is too childish for me. it shows you are not serious about cowboys. just TMZ and trollish stuff. you clearly exposed yourself.

done!
 

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you dismissed play design as an issue in the matter. yet, the play design sucked. now you are wanting to backtrack slowly.
Exhibit 1 - #99
Agree it's poor design, but I wonder if that's because Dak has a tendency to stare down the receiver and struggles reading a Defense that changes post snap which would be compounded if his reads are both sides of the field.
Limit his options and give him 2 check downs....with CeeDee, Cooks and Pollard's YACability, the WCO is going to help/suit him.
 

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Exhibit 1 - #99
LOL. sorry breaking my own promise of being done. but here:

"Agree it's poor design, but I wonder if that's because Dak has a tendency to stare down the receiver and struggles reading a Defense that changes post snap which would be compounded if his reads are both sides of the field."

essentially you said, the bad design is done purposely because of Dak....not that the play design was poor and it led to bad results...seriously this is very funny

this is just way too funny. its one of the best spins I have ever seen.
 

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LOL. sorry breaking my own promise of being done. but here:

"Agree it's poor design, but I wonder if that's because Dak has a tendency to stare down the receiver and struggles reading a Defense that changes post snap which would be compounded if his reads are both sides of the field."

essentially you said, the bad design is done purposely because of Dak....not that the play design was poor and it led to bad results...seriously this is very funny

this is just way too funny. its one of the best spins I have ever seen.
That's because the play design can be poor....but Dak still throws the ball. How come we have certain fans, yourself included, lauding the offensive stats one minute, then decrying the design as soon as there's a stat (like INTERCEPTIONS or QBR) which doesnt suit.

The play design is poor with two receivers playing high/low routes, and I did say I WONDER if it's due to Dak's issue with his speed of progression...... you conveniently missed out the view that a more simplified snappier WCO may suit him.....but you probably didnt get that far as your blood was already boiling way before then.
 

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That's because the play design can be poor....but Dak still throws the ball. How come we have certain fans, yourself included, lauding the offensive stats one minute, then decrying the design as soon as there's a stat (like INTERCEPTIONS or QBR) which doesnt suit.

The play design is poor with two receivers playing high/low routes, and I did say I WONDER if it's due to Dak's issue with his speed of progression...... you conveniently missed out the view that a more simplified snappier WCO may suit him.....but you probably didnt get that far as your blood was already boiling way before then.
that's not what you said. you clearly said, its because Dak has a tendency to blah blah blah .........that says, they poor play design is "by design".

and you still didn't answer the ball hit Brown's in the hands....third frame clearly shows that. if you only saw that frame what would you say?
why aren't you placing the blame on Brown not making a play that was there and allowing the ball to bounce out of his hands.
and if you look at the 4th frame you clearly see brown crossed his hands allowing the ball to bounce off his hands, instead of cradling it in.

and you are continuously spinning and contradicting yourself. first you said, Dak can't read both sides of the field. lets assume that notion is true. then why put two WRs less than 10 yards of each other in the same space on the same side of the field? not only that, your argument of high/low falls apart, again, looking at the 3rd frame, both recievers have turned around and looking back for the ball, within the same space and same depth. couldn't perhaps Brown ran to the outside, giving him easier separation instead of the route running into the teeth of the DB field? couldn't the play design have Schultz running up field, forcing the DB to make decision, either to go across to cover brown or follow schultz? as a result one of the WRs would have a better chance of being open.
this was p!ss poor play call and play design. no other way around it. its not putting the players in a position to succeed. its a page out of Garrett play book and says, the players have to execute perfectly for the play to work and then there is those who argued Garrett and Moore don't scheme the players open.

and again, you are trying to spin away. you obviously either have a lack of how football routes or you have an agenda to drive and don't want to admit that you were wrong because you have a great deal of bias.

and btw, WCO is not simple. its as complex or more complex than a timing offense, so even that argument falls apart. however, again you try to make it sound that way, because you have an agenda to drive and you have to stick to your agenda.

there has been zero objectivity in our analysis.
 
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that's not what you said. you clearly said, its because Dak has a tendency to blah blah blah .........that says, they poor play design is "by design".

and you still didn't answer the ball hit Brown's in the hands....third frame clearly shows that. if you only saw that frame what would you say?
why aren't you placing the blame on Brown not making a play that was there and allowing the ball to bounce out of his hands.
and if you look at the 4th frame you clearly see brown crossed his hands allowing the ball to bounce off his hands, instead of cradling it in.

and you are continuously spinning and contradicting yourself. first you said, Dak can't read both sides of the field. lets assume that notion is true. then why put two WRs less than 10 yards of each other in the same space on the same side of the field? not only that, your argument of high/low falls apart, again, looking at the 3rd frame, both recievers have turned around and looking back for the ball, within the same space and same depth. couldn't perhaps Brown ran to the outside, giving him easier separation instead of the route running into the teeth of the DB field? couldn't the play design have Schultz running up field, forcing the DB to make decision, either to go across to cover brown or follow schultz? as a result one of the WRs would have a better chance of being open.
this was p!ss poor play call and play design. no other way around it. its not putting the players in a position to succeed. its a page out of Garrett play book and says, the players have to execute perfectly for the play to work and then there is those who argued Garrett and Moore don't scheme the players open.

and again, you are trying to spin away. you obviously either have a lack of how football routes or you have an agenda to drive and don't want to admit that you were wrong because you have a great deal of bias.

and btw, WCO is not simple. its as complex or more complex than a timing offense, so even that argument falls apart. however, again you try to make it sound that way, because you have an agenda to drive and you have to stick to your agenda.

there has been zero objectivity in our analysis.
1) I never mentioned Noah interception in any of my responses...it was on him (as we're a couple of the other Ints).
2) The high/low idea is that one of them is running snaps option route and that 'hopefully' one gets open....however it takes time to develop.
3) WCO appeals as Dak doesn't have to wait for the routes to develop....for me the longer he holds the ball the greater his anxiety rates rise and tries to make passes that are out of his comfort zone.
4) Also on WCO he'll have the safeguard of the check downstairs, which I think suits our backfield.
5) WCO will possibly favor the YAC ability of CeeDee, Cooks, Deuce and Pollard.... especially as Shoon can concentrate on adding to the block and chipping off as a check down.

You just can't accept, nor give an objective appraisal of Dak....its always someone else's fault. I seem to think the sum of your criticism of Dak is that he needs weapons...which is a covert attack on everyone else not Dak's shortcomings.
 

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1) I never mentioned Noah interception in any of my responses...it was on him (as we're a couple of the other Ints).
2) The high/low idea is that one of them is running snaps option route and that 'hopefully' one gets open....however it takes time to develop.
3) WCO appeals as Dak doesn't have to wait for the routes to develop....for me the longer he holds the ball the greater his anxiety rates rise and tries to make passes that are out of his comfort zone.
4) Also on WCO he'll have the safeguard of the check downstairs, which I think suits our backfield.
5) WCO will possibly favor the YAC ability of CeeDee, Cooks, Deuce and Pollard.... especially as Shoon can concentrate on adding to the block and chipping off as a check down.

You just can't accept, nor give an objective appraisal of Dak....its always someone else's fault. I seem to think the sum of your criticism of Dak is that he needs weapons...which is a covert attack on everyone else not Dak's shortcomings.
I can accept and give objective appraisal of Dak as I have done many times in the past. I have even argued with ardent Dak supporters that he is not elite and why.

but you again just, contradicted yourself. on the one hand you blamed Dak for the poor execution. then blamed the poor design "by design" on Dak's inability to read defenses. then defended the poor play design with a scheme that just didn't apply to this play. now, you are saying that Noah was at fault, but haven't said that its not Dak on that interception because you just can't bring yourself to say it. btw, this wasn't a high/low idea. neither one of the WRs crossed the defenders zone to force them to make a decision on whome to cover, which is the idea for a high/low... as they both ended up less than 10 yards of each other, at the same depth and at the same time. p!ss poor play design. as mentioned a better idea would have been to continue to run Schultz deeper into the route or run Brown to the outside.

and WCO requires a lot more pre-snap read and route adjustment and requires recievers and QB to be on the same page, as compared to timing offense of pre-determined routes. WCO utilizes short passing game, but doesn't exclude deep passing and its not exclusive of timing routes. its a concept that many don't quite understand and tend to think its all one way.

and perhaps its a better fit for Dak and nothing wrong with that. plenty of QBs played WC and had quite a bit of success. You wouldn't call them limited!!! its putting players in position to succeed. having a system that fits the player. as opposed to try to fit a player into a scheme as some coaches do and that's not just for the QB, but across the board for all players. you wouldn't try to run power running game with Pollard. that would be stupid. so you design run plays that maximizes his speed and shiftiness.
 

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I dont get your post.

Not trying to be a butthead. Genuinely dont understand it. By all means...laugh at me for being a blockhead.
It means a game is made up of the entirety of all the plays, start to finish. There is no extra weight applied to plays later in the games. Points do not have more value at one point in the game over another.
A mistake early is not better than a mistake late.
A mistake early puts you in a worse position later anyway.

If you play well early, then make a mistake late, it is not likely to be any better for you than if you make a mistake early and then play well late. It evens out.
In the end, if you make more mistakes, regardless of when they are, you will lose. And if you make less mistakes, again, regardless of when they are, you will win.
 

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It means a game is made up of the entirety of all the plays, start to finish. There is no extra weight applied to plays later in the games. Points do not have more value at one point in the game over another.
A mistake early is not better than a mistake late.
A mistake early puts you in a worse position later anyway.

If you play well early, then make a mistake late, it is not likely to be any better for you than if you make a mistake early and then play well late. It evens out.
In the end, if you make more mistakes, regardless of when they are, you will lose. And if you make less mistakes, again, regardless of when they are, you will win.
This isn't really true. You can't have massive win probability swings in the beginning of a game.
 
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