Breaking Down Every Single Dak Interception

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So...you dont blame AC for his recent horse beating....its somebody else's fault?
Hmm.well okay then.
this thread has nothing to do with Romo and AC isnt in it. Your need to run to the defense of Romo in any situation has started to push you into to Pappydog territory when it comes to Dak. You spend alot of time focusing on AC, CR and Rocky posts it may be better if you just ignore them because they are who they are. But you do you. I guess you feel like they are bully's and its your job to confront the bully.

the 2 QBs are literally the same. Failed by the GM similar ways.
 

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this thread has nothing to do with Romo and AC isnt in it. Your need to run to the defense of Romo in any situation has started to push you into to Pappydog territory when it comes to Dak. You spend alot of time focusing on AC, CR and Rocky posts it may be better if you just ignore them because they are who they are. But you do you. I guess you feel like they are bully's and its your job to confront the bully.

the 2 QBs are literally the same. Failed by the GM similar ways.
I wasn;t saying AC is here....but the subject matter that YOU brought...applies. Dead horse beating. AC admits to trolling and antagonizing people.

Yes...I will fight that. Yes...it gives him what he wants. It's mostly for fun...but also a reminder of what's going on.

Would be cool if you were as hard on them as you are on me. But then...they hate Romo too. So....
 

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Not to be rude but showing the catch point is too late for QB analysis. You need to see where he is when he starts his windup as that is when the decision is made. Not 3-4 steps later.
 

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I can accept and give objective appraisal of Dak as I have done many times in the past. I have even argued with ardent Dak supporters that he is not elite and why.

and perhaps its a better fit for Dak and nothing wrong with that. plenty of QBs played WC and had quite a bit of success. You wouldn't call them limited!!! its putting players in position to succeed.
1) Ive never seen you give reasons as to why you think he's not elite....you normally say he needs weapons, which isnt an appraisal of him as that could be said for a lot of QB's that dont reach elite status.
2) Stop with this perpetual paranoia that everything anyone says is criticizing your hero....im not saying a WCO is only for limited QB's, im saying its a better suit for his game...he struggles when the play isnt immediate. It looks as if he's got a low anxiety threshold and near panics if routes dont develop how he see's them played out in his head (or practice field, without a defense)....quicker release, rely on the receiving corp for YAC.
 

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I wasn;t saying AC is here....but the subject matter that YOU brought...applies. Dead horse beating. AC admits to trolling and antagonizing people.

Yes...I will fight that. Yes...it gives him what he wants. It's mostly for fun...but also a reminder of what's going on.

Would be cool if you were as hard on them as you are on me. But then...they hate Romo too. So....
Its not about hating Romo. I never hated Romo I do however hate over the top Romo fans that are willing to give excuses for Tony and be blind to the same things for Dak. Jery has crapped on both of the and they are literally the same QB
 

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1) Ive never seen you give reasons as to why you think he's not elite....you normally say he needs weapons, which isnt an appraisal of him as that could be said for a lot of QB's that dont reach elite status.
2) Stop with this perpetual paranoia that everything anyone says is criticizing your hero....im not saying a WCO is only for limited QB's, im saying its a better suit for his game...he struggles when the play isnt immediate. It looks as if he's got a low anxiety threshold and near panics if routes dont develop how he see's them played out in his head (or practice field, without a defense)....quicker release, rely on the receiving corp for YAC.
no. I don't normally say he needs weapons. that's your spin. I said, because he is not Elite, he needs better weapons. that subtlety is totally lost on you. but I get it. you have an agenda to drive. you have to stick to your bag of "key words".

so why are you resorting to lying and making things up?

and given you have gone off the rails, having been proven wrong multiple times over. vehemently trying not to admit you are wrong. blaming dak on Poor play design. blaming Dak for Brown not catching the ball. everything but saying, yeah, maybe this one wasn't on Dak.....

now you resort to your bag of key words as all Bash Dak over Dallas cult do.... "hero" calling. seriously dude. you are way over your head, given you didn't even understand the the high/low route yet tried to throw it into the conversation and got proven wrong, again and again and again and again.

I get your agenda. I truly get it. the problem is people like you, don't really understand and they think the only way to success is having an Elite QB. they can't wrap their heads around doing it without one. and given the opportunity to present a case on how to find a Elite QB and name a few names...they avoid avoid avoid avoid avoid avoid...its a typical behavior of the Bash Dak over Dallas cult.
 

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Its not about hating Romo. I never hated Romo I do however hate over the top Romo fans that are willing to give excuses for Tony and be blind to the same things for Dak. Jery has crapped on both of the and they are literally the same QB
Im on record that km handicapped us ...of the two im glad hes gone!
I do not hate dak.....but soon as i dont say the most positive things possible....im a hater.
Thats what *I* hate.
 

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Im on record that km handicapped us ...of the two im glad hes gone!
I do not hate dak.....but soon as i dont say the most positive things possible....im a hater.
Thats what *I* hate.
internet jargon. hater on the internet is popular regardless of the topic and is rarely accurate. i call pappy a hater and capatain crash and a few others because they have said they hate Dak. But i really dont believe they HATE him. They hate the player.

I was raised never to hate but I have found it harder to do since January 21st 2021 . Without being too specific i think you get where I am going
 

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I appreciate this thread, although it simply reemphasizes what I already believed: Dak is an ‘ok’ qb with bursts of really good play.

1. He struggles with accuracy, which explains the high volume of interceptions on ‘safer’ short throws, because his WRs have less time to react to how errant his throws are. With medium and deep throws they have more time to adjust and coverage is a bit more loose. To prove this, Go back and watch his deep throws. A few are dimes, but a ton of the time he overthrows the receiver or they have to basically stop in their route and wait for the ball.

He also struggles with reads, and any decent human should understand this. Every play has progressions but is slanted toward 1 or 2 receivers getting open based on coverage or reads. Dak struggles with what 95/100 Madden players do: He sometimes locks in on the guy he thinks/wants/hopes to be open. I think he does it more when he presses, and he seems to press most in the end of 1st halfs (thanks T-Ro for that nugget). I’m sure the coaching staff has talked to him about this. He likely would’ve have this issue in the 2nd half but they won a lot of games comfortably and ran the clock out. Lots of victory formations this last year

That’s it. That’s our qb. Great analysis TRo
 

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that's not what you said. you clearly said, its because Dak has a tendency to blah blah blah .........that says, they poor play design is "by design".

and you still didn't answer the ball hit Brown's in the hands....third frame clearly shows that. if you only saw that frame what would you say?
why aren't you placing the blame on Brown not making a play that was there and allowing the ball to bounce out of his hands.
and if you look at the 4th frame you clearly see brown crossed his hands allowing the ball to bounce off his hands, instead of cradling it in.

and you are continuously spinning and contradicting yourself. first you said, Dak can't read both sides of the field. lets assume that notion is true. then why put two WRs less than 10 yards of each other in the same space on the same side of the field? not only that, your argument of high/low falls apart, again, looking at the 3rd frame, both recievers have turned around and looking back for the ball, within the same space and same depth. couldn't perhaps Brown ran to the outside, giving him easier separation instead of the route running into the teeth of the DB field? couldn't the play design have Schultz running up field, forcing the DB to make decision, either to go across to cover brown or follow schultz? as a result one of the WRs would have a better chance of being open.
this was p!ss poor play call and play design. no other way around it. its not putting the players in a position to succeed. its a page out of Garrett play book and says, the players have to execute perfectly for the play to work and then there is those who argued Garrett and Moore don't scheme the players open.

and again, you are trying to spin away. you obviously either have a lack of how football routes or you have an agenda to drive and don't want to admit that you were wrong because you have a great deal of bias.

and btw, WCO is not simple. its as complex or more complex than a timing offense, so even that argument falls apart. however, again you try to make it sound that way, because you have an agenda to drive and you have to stick to your agenda.

there has been zero objectivity in our analysis.
BOOM!!! 100% correct.

Double nails in the coffin...
:hammer: :hammer:
 

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I appreciate this thread, although it simply reemphasizes what I already believed: Dak is an ‘ok’ qb with bursts of really good play.

1. He struggles with accuracy, which explains the high volume of interceptions on ‘safer’ short throws, because his WRs have less time to react to how errant his throws are. With medium and deep throws they have more time to adjust and coverage is a bit more loose. To prove this, Go back and watch his deep throws. A few are dimes, but a ton of the time he overthrows the receiver or they have to basically stop in their route and wait for the ball.

He also struggles with reads, and any decent human should understand this. Every play has progressions but is slanted toward 1 or 2 receivers getting open based on coverage or reads. Dak struggles with what 95/100 Madden players do: He sometimes locks in on the guy he thinks/wants/hopes to be open. I think he does it more when he presses, and he seems to press most in the end of 1st halfs (thanks T-Ro for that nugget). I’m sure the coaching staff has talked to him about this. He likely would’ve have this issue in the 2nd half but they won a lot of games comfortably and ran the clock out. Lots of victory formations this last year

That’s it. That’s our qb. Great analysis TRo
Then this game highlight of the Cowboys beating the Eagles (40 - 34 comeback game) on December 24, 2022 late in the season against the division leading Eagles (with the #2 best defense in the league) totally destroys everything bad you accused Dak of.



Thank GOD for videos...;)
 

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Then this game highlight of the Cowboys beating the Eagles (40 - 34 comeback game) on December 24, 2022 late in the season against the division leading Eagles (with the #2 best defense in the league) totally destroys everything bad you accused Dak of.



Thank GOD for videos...;)

….Hence the ‘bursts of really good play’ comment at the beginning of my post.

I don’t hate Dak but I’m also not going to pretend he doesn’t have real limitations. You can’t cherry pick his best late game performance and then say that dismantles my argument. Play the season opener from last year, the 49ers game, or any of the other 2-3 games where he was avg at best. Literally no one on this forum (as painful as this is to admit) can deny that 7th round rookie Purdy outplayed the man in every statistical category in that playoff game. We just glaze over this stuff and provide an excuse. Just like the opener, we said he was still hurt or hadn’t gotten practice or whatever we needed to tell ourselves.

He should get praise when he plays well. He did in that eagles game (though Hurts wasn’t even playing). I thought he played pretty terrible against the Bucs, Lions, Packers, Jags, and 49ers last year
 

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internet jargon. hater on the internet is popular regardless of the topic and is rarely accurate. i call pappy a hater and capatain crash and a few others because they have said they hate Dak. But i really dont believe they HATE him. They hate the player.

I was raised never to hate but I have found it harder to do since January 21st 2021 . Without being too specific i think you get where I am going
Pappy isn't a hater. He might be a troll. He's going post things for a response. Push buttons. Like Americas Cowboy does....even SAYS that's what he does.

But I find it VERY interesting you call out Pappy but not AC.

For the record...I have seen you respond to that on occasion. It's rare that you do that, but I am fair and transparent. I just don't think it's equitable. And that is very obvious. You see...people do evaluate YOU...measure YOU....just like you do to others.

Having said that...you know you and I have gone toe to toe .....and you know that I have the ability to make peace. But the other parties have to be willing too...just as you did. That was amazing and very refreshing!
 

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Then this game highlight of the Cowboys beating the Eagles (40 - 34 comeback game) on December 24, 2022 late in the season against the division leading Eagles (with the #2 best defense in the league) totally destroys everything bad you accused Dak of.



Thank GOD for videos...;)

Also, I decided to take you up on your offer and watched the video. I’d ask you to rewatch that game and tell me who was the better QB: Dak or Minshew? I’d probably edge Dak but it’s extremely close. Minshew made some insane throws. He also had to March down the entire field to score .

Dak threw a pick 6 inexplicably at Sweats face in the 1st quarter and was gifted 4 turnovers with starting positions at the eagles 20, eagles 30, eagles 40, and Dallas 40 as a result. I don’t know that any NFL qb could screw that up that game.

But as you say, that was probably his best clutch performance….
 

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This is on the internet so it must be true.

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Pappy isn't a hater. He might be a troll. He's going post things for a response. Push buttons. Like Americas Cowboy does....even SAYS that's what he does.

But I find it VERY interesting you call out Pappy but not AC.

For the record...I have seen you respond to that on occasion. It's rare that you do that, but I am fair and transparent. I just don't think it's equitable. And that is very obvious. You see...people do evaluate YOU...measure YOU....just like you do to others.

Having said that...you know you and I have gone toe to toe .....and you know that I have the ability to make peace. But the other parties have to be willing too...just as you did. That was amazing and very refreshing!
Our QB is not Romo and the frequencies of troll threads are overwhelmingly in favor of Dak so that’s why it probably seems as if I don’t address them guts as much

I don’t even address Pappy that much its a waste of time

Much like AC and Roy and Rocky it’s just not worth my time and I think similar on topics . Like i am on the same side of zeke argument with CR just not near as overboard

I do tend to be on the side of AC in the Romo discussion most times although I tend to feel he was more hamstrung by a crappy owner and crappy coach than a chokers like AC does

I just am tired of all the excuses for him. Long since tired of it. So no it’s not equitable how I relate on the board with those topics there are many more opportunities to address the Dak trolls
 

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It means a game is made up of the entirety of all the plays, start to finish. There is no extra weight applied to plays later in the games. Points do not have more value at one point in the game over another.
A mistake early is not better than a mistake late.
A mistake early puts you in a worse position later anyway.

If you play well early, then make a mistake late, it is not likely to be any better for you than if you make a mistake early and then play well late. It evens out.
In the end, if you make more mistakes, regardless of when they are, you will lose. And if you make less mistakes, again, regardless of when they are, you will win.
I dont have All-22, so spending hours trying to find who got ball first in the second half on the 10 INT's Dak had right before half time or the score of the game during those 10 INT's seems questionable. Im not asking anyone to do the work for me...

I played little league, middle school and high school football...and taking calculated risks was always something coaches did.

If you were going to take on some risk...would the following scenario be a bad risk or fair risk to you...

Assume these things:

1) You get ball back first after half

2) Based on time on the clock and confidence in your defense...you dont believe if you turn ball over the other team will score before half

A couple of things...and INT can be a pick six. Im well aware. Also...I want to bring score at time of INT into this...but I dont really know if it matters unless you are ahead which means you can take on more risk.

What I am getting at is...Ive never played without coaches taking risks. Garrett got ran out of town for being too conservative. What you are saying is true, but I question if the game is played like that or if you can play sports mistake free...executing plays or calling plays. Just seems odd to have a stance like that with sports, when sports is about scoring points to win...and risk is a big part of that. Which is why I said I dont understand your post.

Is pushing the ball downfield in an attempt to score before half...and that push leads to a INT that doesnt change score of game... a mistake that makes the second half harder? I question that. I get that all mistakes arent clean and sometimes they hurt your team badly...but with the above scenario...assuming the INT doesnt lead to points for the other team(did any of them?)...does that mistake make the second half harder for Cowboys?

Playing the game mistake free/risk free is like refusing to pass on 3rd and long because the risk of INT's is greater than if you ran the ball. The game isnt played like that.
 
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Also, I decided to take you up on your offer and watched the video. I’d ask you to rewatch that game and tell me who was the better QB: Dak or Minshew? I’d probably edge Dak but it’s extremely close. Minshew made some insane throws. He also had to March down the entire field to score .

Dak threw a pick 6 inexplicably at Sweats face in the 1st quarter and was gifted 4 turnovers with starting positions at the eagles 20, eagles 30, eagles 40, and Dallas 40 as a result. I don’t know that any NFL qb could screw that up that game.

But as you say, that was probably his best clutch performance….
Seriously? Dak had only 1 weapon at WR. Minshew had 3+. Minshew's Oline finished ranked #1 in the league. Dak's Oline was closer to 20th. Minshew had some of the best coaches and O-Coordinator in the NFL last year. Dak? Not so much, hence why the O-Coordinator, Oline coach and RBs coach were all fired by season's end.
 
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