Breaking Down the ‘Boys: Where does Tyron Smith rank among NFL’s best left tackles?

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A few weeks ago, I posted an article from Pete Prisco that ranks the NFL’s best players at four important positions: quarterback, pass-rusher, cornerback, and left tackle. Since that time, I’ve published my own top 15 rankings for the quarterbacks, pass-rushers, and cornerbacks.

Today, I’ll turn my attention to the left tackles. As with the other positions, age will play a major role in my rankings. At just 22 years old and heading into his third NFL season, history suggests that Cowboys left tackle Tyron Smith is on the verge of becoming a Pro Bowl-caliber player. Is he better than someone like Titans left tackle Michael Roos right at this moment? Probably not, but at nine years his younger, you’d probably prefer Smith long-term.

Also note that I really don’t care about how many sacks a lineman allows. That might seem ridiculous since the goal for anyone in pass protection is to keep the quarterback upright, but sacks are extremely volatile, meaning it’s almost worthless to grade an offensive lineman using the stat. I tracked Smith as allowing only three sacks in 2012, for example, but based on how often he allowed pressure, his most likely sack total was actually nine. If we were to use those three sacks to grade Smith for his 2012 play alone, he’d probably rank higher than he should. The goal when projecting players is to search for stats that are predictive of future play, however, and pressure rates are more predictive than sacks because they’re less susceptible to randomness.

Finally, quarterback play is also a factor in my rankings. I’ve used stats from Pro Football Focus on the average time each quarterback spent in the pocket prior to each pass. It should be no surprise that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning got rid of the ball quicker than any other quarterbacks in 2012, both throwing in 2.50 seconds or less, on average. Quarterbacks can really aid their linemen in sack and pressure rates; Broncos left tackle Ryan Clady allowed just one sack in 2012, for example, but he also benefited from perhaps the quickest decision-making quarterback in the NFL. Tony Romo makes a ton of plays with his legs, but he spends a lot of time in the pocket, which doesn’t help Smith’s numbers.

Below, I’ve listed my top left tackles heading into 2013. The number behind their names is their age when the 2013 season begins. I’ve listed sacks allowed and pressure rate, with the latter stat being a stronger factor in my rankings.

2013 NFL Left Tackle Ranking

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what a strange article.

first, he says that pressure rate trumps sacks. then, he ranks tyron smith as the 8th-best left tackle in the league -- despite the fact that he has a 6.0-percent rate, twice the average of the guys on his list, while ranking a guy with a pressure rate under 2.0-percent as the 13th-best left tackle in the league.

he doesn't explain how he calculated the pressure rate (is this his own research, a league-wide, official stat?), and he doesn't explain why he bucks his own logic in ranking the players.

also, he just makes up "projected" stats for tyron for the coming season. um, okay.
 

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I think Smith is a bit overrated, actually. Obviously, he's developing and expected to get better. He's more or less on the curve I'd expect given that he plays such an important position, but he gave up a lot of pressure last year...more than I expected from him, even in a sophomore campaign and with the move to the left side, frankly.

Not sure I even understand Bales' ranking system here, as Smith looks good in terms of sacks given up--which Bales says he doesn't value all that highly--and then has a pressure rate twice what players below him on the list have given up.

He's a player I really expect to get better this season, given his age, experience, and the coaching changes we've made. But he's got plenty of room for improvement, as well. I actually thought Livings played better than Smith did for long stretches last season.
 

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JPostSam;5101289 said:
what a strange article.

first, he says that pressure rate trumps sacks. then, he ranks tyron smith as the 8th-best left tackle in the league -- despite the fact that he has a 6.0-percent rate, twice the average of the guys on his list, while ranking a guy with a pressure rate under 2.0-percent as the 13th-best left tackle in the league.

he doesn't explain how he calculated the pressure rate (is this his own research, a league-wide, official stat?), and he doesn't explain why he bucks his own logic in ranking the players.

also, he just makes up "projected" stats for tyron for the coming season. um, okay.

Lol. Yep. :)
 

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If he's not top 10 this year, I dont think that investing in another tackle in the draft and possibly even considering moving him back to the right side is a terrible idea.

I know he will still be young, even when the season is over, but 3 years is 3 years is 3 years.
 

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Idgit;5101290 said:
I think Smith is a bit overrated, actually. Obviously, he's developing and expected to get better. He's more or less on the curve I'd expect given that he plays such an important position, but he gave up a lot of pressure last year...more than I expected from him, even in a sophomore campaign and with the move to the left side, frankly.

Not sure I even understand Bales' ranking system here, as Smith looks good in terms of sacks given up--which Bales says he doesn't value all that highly--and then has a pressure rate twice what players below him on the list have given up.

He's a player I really expect to get better this season, given his age, experience, and the coaching changes we've made. But he's got plenty of room for improvement, as well. I actually thought Livings played better than Smith did for long stretches last season.

Did you actually read the article? Mentions that he also considered (1) age and (2) a qb's time in the pocket.
 

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Future;5101294 said:
If he's not top 10 this year, I dont think that investing in another tackle in the draft and possibly even considering moving him back to the right side is a terrible idea.

I know he will still be young, even when the season is over, but 3 years is 3 years is 3 years.

its harder for the Oline, its not like youth is a huge factor involved in the making of a good Oline man. And as people are finding out, neither is the school.

Of course we can give him this season and than if so be it, to the right side he goes. But left tackles arent a dime a dozen and lets see if Callahan knows something we dont. Other teams get away without a premiere left tackle and if Dallas has to do it, than do it, do it correctly.
 

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Future;5101294 said:
If he's not top 10 this year, I dont think that investing in another tackle in the draft and possibly even considering moving him back to the right side is a terrible idea.

I know he will still be young, even when the season is over, but 3 years is 3 years is 3 years.

I can't say I agree with his. You don't give up on a player like Smith after only three seasons (two at LT) merely because he's "not Top 10."
 

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TheRomoSexual;5101299 said:
Did you actually read the article? Mentions that he also considered (1) age and (2) a qb's time in the pocket.

Yeah, I read it, but, come on: age? It's great that a young player is young, but it's hardly a factor that makes him better. Time in the pocket is legitimate, but how do you factor that into a pressure rate that's that much higher than everybody else's? Unless Romo's taking nearly twice as long to get rid of the ball, it shouldn't translate into nearly twice the pressures.

I don't want to go too far with it, because I really do like Smith. I just think the guy's widely considered a fixture, and I think he's got a lot of work to do to get where we expect him to be for his career.
 

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RS12;5101281 said:
A few weeks ago, I posted an article from Pete Prisco that ranks the NFL’s best players at four important positions: quarterback, pass-rusher, cornerback, and left tackle. Since that time, I’ve published my own top 15 rankings for the quarterbacks, pass-rushers, and cornerbacks.

Today, I’ll turn my attention to the left tackles. As with the other positions, age will play a major role in my rankings. At just 22 years old and heading into his third NFL season, history suggests that Cowboys left tackle Tyron Smith is on the verge of becoming a Pro Bowl-caliber player. Is he better than someone like Titans left tackle Michael Roos right at this moment? Probably not, but at nine years his younger, you’d probably prefer Smith long-term.

Also note that I really don’t care about how many sacks a lineman allows. That might seem ridiculous since the goal for anyone in pass protection is to keep the quarterback upright, but sacks are extremely volatile, meaning it’s almost worthless to grade an offensive lineman using the stat. I tracked Smith as allowing only three sacks in 2012, for example, but based on how often he allowed pressure, his most likely sack total was actually nine. If we were to use those three sacks to grade Smith for his 2012 play alone, he’d probably rank higher than he should. The goal when projecting players is to search for stats that are predictive of future play, however, and pressure rates are more predictive than sacks because they’re less susceptible to randomness.

Finally, quarterback play is also a factor in my rankings. I’ve used stats from Pro Football Focus on the average time each quarterback spent in the pocket prior to each pass. It should be no surprise that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning got rid of the ball quicker than any other quarterbacks in 2012, both throwing in 2.50 seconds or less, on average. Quarterbacks can really aid their linemen in sack and pressure rates; Broncos left tackle Ryan Clady allowed just one sack in 2012, for example, but he also benefited from perhaps the quickest decision-making quarterback in the NFL. Tony Romo makes a ton of plays with his legs, but he spends a lot of time in the pocket, which doesn’t help Smith’s numbers.

Below, I’ve listed my top left tackles heading into 2013. The number behind their names is their age when the 2013 season begins. I’ve listed sacks allowed and pressure rate, with the latter stat being a stronger factor in my rankings.

2013 NFL Left Tackle Ranking

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Ironically, Joe Staley allowed most sacks by far of the top fifteen listed. And he's in the top 100 players list on NFL channel.
 

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TheRomoSexual;5101301 said:
I can't say I agree with his. You don't give up on a player like Smith after only three seasons (two at LT) merely because he's "not Top 10."
I'm not saying give up on him.

Just that, if he doesn't have a great year, exploring options at tackle wouldn't be a bad idea.
 

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Future;5101315 said:
I'm not saying give up on him.

Just that, if he doesn't have a great year, exploring options at tackle wouldn't be a bad idea.

One of the strengths of the 2014 draft will be OT.
 

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Future;5101315 said:
I'm not saying give up on him.

Just that, if he doesn't have a great year, exploring options at tackle wouldn't be a bad idea.

you are a good poster, so i hate to do this. Define a bad year? And what would your expectations be for him. Doesnt have to be radical, just within reason.

im not against what you are saying, but im thinking my expectations with another cowboy fan.
 

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I have to agree with Future. I hope the LT experiment works out, but he never played LT in college that I am aware of and just seems more comfortable on the right side. Still hoping he morphs, but he may just be a better RT than LT.
 

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ShiningStar;5101320 said:
you are a good poster, so i hate to do this. Define a bad year? And what would your expectations be for him. Doesnt have to be radical, just within reason.

im not against what you are saying, but im thinking my expectations with another cowboy fan.
A bad year, to me, would mean giving up more than 5 sacks (gave up 3 last year), and a pressures allowed rate over 6%...though even that is subjective too. And bad is relative to him, not necessarily the rest of the league. You dont draft a tackle top 10 and expect him to give up 5 sacks a year.

Other than that, I dont know really, its hard to set expectations for a Tackle because OL play is largely subjective. I actually thought he was pretty good last year, so I dont necessarily think that he isn't going to be top 10. Basically, with OL, all you can really give is the eyeball test...is he getting a good push, is he keeping people out of Tony's face.


Might not answer your question, but its the best I've got I think :laugh2:
 

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I didn't go through this, but one thing Garrett has said and I agree with completely is that our offensive system severely stresses the tackles. Very often they are put on an island and help is given in the middle for a step up.
 

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It was the first time he's ever played the position. I'm cutting the kid some slack.
 

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Future;5101337 said:
A bad year, to me, would mean giving up more than 5 sacks (gave up 3 last year), and a pressures allowed rate over 6%...though even that is subjective too. And bad is relative to him, not necessarily the rest of the league. You dont draft a tackle top 10 and expect him to give up 5 sacks a year.

Other than that, I dont know really, its hard to set expectations for a Tackle because OL play is largely subjective. I actually thought he was pretty good last year, so I dont necessarily think that he isn't going to be top 10. Basically, with OL, all you can really give is the eyeball test...is he getting a good push, is he keeping people out of Tony's face.


Might not answer your question, but its the best I've got I think :laugh2:



better than i expected, and reading your posts, right up there with that i had thought. Thank you greatly.
 

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Idgit;5101303 said:
Yeah, I read it, but, come on: age? It's great that a young player is young, but it's hardly a factor that makes him better. Time in the pocket is legitimate, but how do you factor that into a pressure rate that's that much higher than everybody else's? Unless Romo's taking nearly twice as long to get rid of the ball, it shouldn't translate into nearly twice the pressures.

I don't want to go too far with it, because I really do like Smith. I just think the guy's widely considered a fixture, and I think he's got a lot of work to do to get where we expect him to be for his career.

Yeah I have to agree with this, I also believe he is highly overrated here and by this article at the moment. No matter how much OL or bust guys don't want to hear it, JJ Watt still looms large over the Tyron selection as JJ is by far the better player....with it not even being close.

I'm still optimistic about Tyron (potential does get coaches fired), but he better step up....and quick.
 

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ShiningStar;5101352 said:
better than i expected, and reading your posts, right up there with that i had thought. Thank you greatly.
What would your expectation be?
 
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