CFZ Breaking History

[ESisback]

I'm willing to bet $100 dollars right now that you never said the same thing about Tony Romo.

I think Romo was a better QB than Dak, but I root for every one of our QB1’s the same. I also think that either QB could win a SB. So many lesser guys played in SBs, so why not?

 

[America's Cowboy]

I think Romo was a better QB than Dak, but I root for every one of our QB1’s the same. I also think that either QB could win a SB. So many lesser guys played in SBs, so why not?

I disagree on Romo being a better QB than Dak. Dak is slightly better in my book, but I do agree both could win a SB.

 

[ESisback]

I disagree on Romo being a better QB than Dak. Dak is slightly better in my book, but I do agree both could win a SB.

Dak is bigger, younger and stronger, but Romo can read defenses better and had superior escapability.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Dak played 6 healthy years.

In that same time frame, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Matthew Stafford, and a host of other good to great quarterbacks didn't make it to the championship game.... in the same amount of playing time.

So what should I take from their inability to do the same?? Let the spin job begin!!

(Insert excuses for those quarterbacks here)

Nice deflection. I was clearly giving a specific reply to this statement: "Well your quarterback just choked in the Superbowl, while playing with the best roster in football a couple of months ago. So when your quarterback learns how to close the deal, comeback and talk to us lil guy!!" Anyone with any brains could figure out that I am thinking that it is silly to say Hurts choked in the SB (he didn't) when the QB you are defending has never made it that far while playing 3x's as long as a starter.

BTW, in case you are deficient in NFL history, the three QB's you mentioned made it to the NFCCG and SB, unlike Dak. They have nothing to prove.

 

[plymkr]

The 6 point thing burns a bunch of you guys-I get that you guys wuv Dak. He means nothing to me other than he plays QB for the team I cheer for. And the 6 points was in regards to facing the top defenses in the playoffs. In 2022, the team had 7 points before a fourth quarter turnover led them to their second TD. This season, they scored 9 points prior to the 4th quarter. That’s where my 6 points comes from.

My original post just has to do with roster construction. The rest of the Dak defense posts are about telling everyone how you stand pat, if the current squad can make the playoffs. I disagree and point to all time history in the league to establish my point.

Right. Your original post was about roster construction which the Cowboys have proven to be average to above average. We build teams to beat the nfc east teams but outside the nfc east we struggle, especially in the playoffs. When I read your original post I didn’t take it as a bash Dak post but more of a we don’t have the playoff caliber roster and Dak can’t overcome that. I feel this whole topic goes back to the debate of having an expensive QB and gaps in the roster vs an outstanding roster with a rookie contract QB and/or inexpensive QB. Personally I’d rather go with an outstanding roster and rookie contract QB/inexpensive QB.

Having an average to above average QB getting paid market value QB money(40+ million APY) is bad for the team. We’re going to see the Eagles decline to mediocrity real soon when Hurts’ contract keeps them from improving the roster. Our window to win the Super Bowl was when Dak was on his rookie deal and Jerry blew it. Now we’re like the Vikings, good enough to beat teams but not good enough to beat playoff teams in the regular season and especially in the playoffs.

 

[Blitzen]

Well I certainly stand to be corrected. With that said, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees were great quarterbacks, no question. I was thinking, who had better offensive coordinators in their first few seasons Manning and Brees, or Dak.

Dak hast to improve tremendously to fully win me over, but the dude can play.

Just imagine if Dak had a real NFL quality offensive coordinator the last couple years he was maturing into the position. It probably would have helped the whole team if we weren't in the top 3 of penalties the last couple of years as well.0

The problem that I have is that the team has to make some big decisions in the next 6-7 months with regards to Prescott. He will turn 31 next season, and despite what some people think-most players (including the QB) do not last much longer. Dak’s playing style is not geared to a traditional drop back passer. If the team cannot get to the conference championship game with him as QB-why continue to build? The team has been building around him coming up on a decade.

 

[GINeric]

Nice deflection. I was clearly giving a specific reply to this statement: "Well your quarterback just choked in the Superbowl, while playing with the best roster in football a couple of months ago. So when your quarterback learns how to close the deal, comeback and talk to us lil guy!!" Anyone with any brains could figure out that I am thinking that it is silly to say Hurts choked in the SB (he didn't) when the QB you are defending has never made it that far while playing 3x's as long as a starter.

BTW, in case you are deficient in NFL history, the three QB's you mentioned made it to the NFCCG and SB, unlike Dak. They have nothing to prove.

Again, dice it up anyway you would like to. He choked. That's not deflection, that's reality.

I'm also making it clear that this is a team game. TEAMS get to championship games and the Superbowl

Yeah those quarterbacks made it to the Superbowl, but they didn't get there in their first 6 healthy seasons. They were given an opportunity to get there after 6 years, but Dak can't? Man I love the hypocrisy!!!

Matthew Stafford didn't win his first playoff until what.... his 11th or 12th season? When he did finally arrive, he led the league in interceptions. So the Rams won the Superbowl despite Matthew Stafford.

Eli Manning has more Superbowl rings than Aaron Rodgers, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and many other good and great quarterbacks.

Which one is he better than though.... exactly.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak is bigger, younger and stronger, but Romo can read defenses better and had superior escapability.

Yes, Romo did have superior escapability, but if he was better at reading defenses during games on the field, why does Romo have almost double the amount of Interceptions that Dak currently has? Plus, why was Romo never able to throw for more than 2 TDs in any playoff game, never threw for 300 yards in a playoff game either. Romo also never led the Cowboys to an away playoff victory the way Dak did.

Dak has thrown for almost half of the amount of INTs that Romo did. Plus, Dak has thrown for 3+ TDs and 300+ passing yards in a playoff game several times. Dak also helped lead the Cowboys to an away playoff victory against the G.O.A.T. QB in NFL history (Tom Brady), and Dak destroyed those Brady-led Buccaneers playoff team away at Tampa Bay, roughly the same Buccaneers team that had won the Super Bowl only 2 years prior.

So, I agree, Romo had superior escapability, but as for being able to read defenses better, the results sure don't prove it come playoff time.

 

[ESisback]

Yes, Romo did have superior escapability, but if he was better at reading defenses during games on the field, why does Romo have almost double the amount of Interceptions that Dak currently has? Plus, why was Romo never able to throw for more than 2 TDs in any playoff game, never threw for 300 yards in a playoff game either. Romo also never led the Cowboys to an away playoff victory the way Dak did.

Dak has thrown for almost half of the amount of INTs that Romo did. Plus, Dak has thrown for 3+ TDs and 300+ passing yards in a playoff game several times. Dak also helped lead the Cowboys to an away playoff victory against the G.O.A.T. QB in NFL history (Tom Brady), and Dak destroyed those Brady-led Buccaneers playoff team away at Tampa Bay, roughly the same Buccaneers team that had won the Super Bowl only 2 years prior.

So, I agree, Romo had superior escapability, but as for being able to read defenses better, the results sure don't prove it come playoff time.

You raise some good points, but I just liked Romo better overall. He took chances more often, and improvised. I like Dak, and will root for him as long as he’s our QB1, but I’ll take ‘ol #9!

 

[America's Cowboy]

You raise some good points, but I just liked Romo better overall. He took chances more often, and improvised. I like Dak, and will root for him as long as he’s our QB1, but I’ll take ‘ol #9!

I'll take results over personal preferences any day. Hope Dak takes this team a step further in the playoffs this year.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

The problem that I have is that the team has to make some big decisions in the next 6-7 months with regards to Prescott. He will turn 31 next season, and despite what some people think-most players (including the QB) do not last much longer. Dak’s playing style is not geared to a traditional drop back passer. If the team cannot get to the conference championship game with him as QB-why continue to build? The team has been building around him coming up on a decade.

One more time Maestro........Dak is road-kill as a pre-June 1st 2024 cut and will have the same luck as Zeke finding a new gig.
Yes, we're gonna bite the bullet on the above as it's a venture which has failed time and time again.
20 million saved cap which will also increase, ya it's gonna be tight but it's doable....

 

[ESisback]

I'll take results over personal preferences any day. Hope Dak takes this team a step further in the playoffs this year.

I do too, but wow, the memories! Some of those escapes on broken plays (like the bad snaps), or remember the duel he had with Peyton Manning? We lost a close one, but what a game! That’s entertainment!

 

[Hadenough]

If Dak had physical talent like Rodgers or Herbert and hadn't won a SB sure keep him around for his career and keep trying. But Dak is limited in his physical talent and he is now breaking down mentally under pressure defense. His greatest asset was his legs and ability to run but he can't even do that now. He is unable to chip away at these better defenses to break them down. Dak has now become part of the problem instead of the solution. On top of that he's costing the team a large chunk of the salary cap. You can't invest EVERYTHING into a QB who's biggest weakness is his arm and accuracy.

 

[Established1971]

I have made my case on moving on from a quarterback after unsuccessful postseason attempts over a certain number of years. In my opinion, the only reason a team should extend a quarterback in the current CBA and average cost is if they can both show immense offensive success in the postseason against top defenses and reach at least a conference championship game within their first 6 seasons in the league as a starter (regardless of injury history). I mean extensions at top dollar (like top 3 on average pay per year plus high end guaranteed money).

The reason for this is simply to not continue building on a problematic foundation (cost of a quarterback makes it difficult to fill out the roster-more difficult depending on QB talent-it also ties your offense to a person for at least 3 years). I believe that it is better to boom or bust rather than tread water perpetually. If a quarterback is showing the excellent offensive output in the postseason-where points are scored on average without defensive turnover boosts (and taking standard deviation into account-not booming one game and laying an egg in another).

I studied a list of both AFC and NFC championship appearances all the way back to 1970 and found only a few guys that had started with a team and never left the franchise and then suddenly made the conference championship late in their career. Everyone of them was 60’s or 70’s era QB when there was no salary cap and they could be awful for 5-8 years but finally develop (they also got next to no pay which would have influenced their timeline). And even those had made a conference championship game by their seventh season starting.

Since this is Dak’s 9th season, he will need to break all time NFL history in making the conference title game this season with his original team. Here’s to hoping the defense can Dilfer us a SB. Keep opponents to 6 points or less (and ask Dak to please not gift any points away).

6 points or less? we could win with Taylor Swift as qb if we held teams to 6 points or less

 

[Whirlwin]

We will come to you for guidance and advice.....

I don’t recall adding you into that conversation. But if you feel like you don’t understand something just ask.

 

[DandyDon52]

Well I certainly stand to be corrected. With that said, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees were great quarterbacks, no question. I was thinking, who had better offensive coordinators in their first few seasons Manning and Brees, or Dak.

Dak hast to improve tremendously to fully win me over, but the dude can play.

Just imagine if Dak had a real NFL quality offensive coordinator the last couple years he was maturing into the position. It probably would have helped the whole team if we weren't in the top 3 of penalties the last couple of years as well.0

Well qb's have to work with what they have.
Dak has had more than many other qb's as far as talent around him on offense.
The last 2 years he has had a real good defense to help him.

I imagine every qb would like to have a great team, and great coaches, but they rarely do.

Most coaches in the nfl just are not that good.

 

[DandyDon52]

It wasn't a typo.

It doesn't make sense it makes sense to you because you agree with it.

If you want agree that in order for us to win we need to limit teams to 6 points or less then have at it. Its silly and just another bash Dak thread we have plenty of.

At some point I hope we can get a more original approach but that would take too much work I guess.

the 6 point thing was most likely sarcasm. Some dak critics go too far, he isnt that bad, but he isnt all that good either esp when playing good teams.
Rush was 4-1 and dak was 8-4 with the same team, but dak makes 20 times as much as rush, and that is the rub.
Go with a lesser and cheaper qb who can be efficient, the use the xtra $ to get other key players, and they might have a better chance of a run.

Daks next contract will be huge 55 mil range and he will be the same qb or worse, and I dont get how u guys think that is smart mgmt.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Well qb's have to work with what they have.
Dak has had more than many other qb's as far as talent around him on offense.
The last 2 years he has had a real good defense to help him.

I imagine every qb would like to have a great team, and great coaches, but they rarely do.

Most coaches in the nfl just are not that good.

That some mighty fine "truth" stretching, DD. Did you see what weapons Dak had around him last year (2022)?

 

[DandyDon52]

No, only for Dak haters is 7 years a long time. Not even close to a decade. Y'all never complained about Romo starting 10 straight years. Y'all even wanted him to continue, so we don't want to hear it about Dak.

Romo was the only reason dallas was competitive for most of his years. 2007 and 2014 were the only years he had a decent team.
And the whole time JG was here as OC and HC, and some horrible defenses.
I think romo lifted his teams up more than dak does now.
The nfce was tougher during romos years also. the NFC was tougher.

Last year was the weakest I have ever seen the NFC, and rogers leaving makes it even weaker.

Some of the dak critics go too far, but so do the Dak fans (notice I dont use haters or lovers)
As I said in another post, rush was 4-1 dak was 8-4 , so how can dak be much better than rush ? Same team, and rush had less in the wr dept.
also dak will be making 55 mil a year in his next contract, that is my prediction.
So more money and he has already peaked so same qb for way more $. Not the smart way to go.

 

[DandyDon52]

That some mighty fine "truth" stretching, DD. Did you see what weapons Dak had around him last year (2022)?

he had more than rush had, and rush went 4-1 , you can always make excuses, they are easy to come up with.
To me rush did better than dak, and that is rush ! something wrong with that dont you think?
The smart thing to do is go with a younger cheaper qb and build a stronger defense and OL. Have $ to sign the good players.