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What happened with Troy Aikman in the NFC Championship Game in 1994 against San Francisco...still just a presentation of a special case ignoring facts of application for stereotype once again. The sun is already down now...but poorly explained as to team factors. At least be honest now!
The early turnovers cost the team the victory. Troy still calls that game his proudest moment as a player. He took heavy shots as the team grappled to try to get back into the game. He and Dak should never get mentioned in this way. Dak has never had playoff performances that come close to that HOF player.
 

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You want to give up a first round pick and Parsons for the number one overall pick? :facepalm: No way would I do that for a roll of the dice on a QB that could go bust. You remove Parsons from our defense and we’re not half as good. Just when the Cowboys are starting to build a real good defense, fans want to trade our best defensive player. It makes absolutely no sense.
That's how much they dislike Dak. lol
 

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Lol-now that is a ridiculous statement. Stick to your narrative. If the Cowboys would have scored more points the SF offense would automatically score more. What a crock.
It's just how I feel. I'm not saying we didn't lose because of Dak. Dak was a big part of why we lost and his performance. But make no mistake if Dak and the O had scored 24 points....the 49ers wouldn't have just played conservative all game. The defense played "Good enough" but they weren't great that game. They dropped at least two turnovers.
 

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Dallas wouldn't have to mortgage the future. A first round pick and Parsons would get it done. Or our first round pick and what we could get for Parsons in a trade. He's easily two first rounders at the minimum. But you better hope your pick isn't a bust. I certainly wouldn't have done it for QB Young.
A first round pick and Parsons for the 1st overall pick is the dumbest trade you could possibly do. Mahomes is worth a 1st round pick and Parsons. I wouldn't even grade a 1st round and Parsons for Josh Allen.
 

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The early turnovers cost the team the victory. Troy still calls that game his proudest moment as a player. He took heavy shots as the team grappled to try to get back into the game. He and Dak should never get mentioned in this way. Dak has never had playoff performances that come close to that HOF player.
What a bunch of malarkey!

Did you forget Dak's rookie playoff performance against Aaron Rodgers and the Packers in the divisional playoff game where halfway through the 2nd quarter, the Cowboys were down by 3 scores (18 points), yet Dak drove them back to tying the game 31 - 31 with 35 seconds left in regulation. Not even Troy was able to bring the Cowboys back from being down by 17 points at Halftime against the 49ers (31 - 14 at Halftime) in the 1994 NFC Championship Game (Cowboys lost 38 - 28), yet Dak was able to bring the team back being down by 18 points in the 2nd quarter to tying the game 31 - 31 with 35 seconds left in regulation!

So, yes, you may be right:
The early turnovers cost the team the victory. Troy still calls that game his proudest moment as a player. He took heavy shots as the team grappled to try to get back into the game. He and Dak should never get mentioned in this way. Dak has never had playoff performances that come close to that HOF player.
Dak and Troy should never get mentioned in this way.

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It's just how I feel. I'm not saying we didn't lose because of Dak. Dak was a big part of why we lost and his performance. But make no mistake if Dak and the O had scored 24 points....the 49ers wouldn't have just played conservative all game. The defense played "Good enough" but they weren't great that game. They dropped at least two turnovers.
They played extremely well. 6 points directly off of interceptions. SF would have had 10 points total at the start of the 4th quarter. That interception that Diggs should have had off the deflection is absurd. That is a much more difficult play than many want to admit.

His fly by on Kittle should raise eyebrows on that big completion that led to their only TD.
 

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A first round pick and Parsons for the 1st overall pick is the dumbest trade you could possibly do. Mahomes is worth a 1st round pick and Parsons. I wouldn't even grade a 1st round and Parsons for Josh Allen.
True. But you could package Diggs plus multiple first round picks (3 perhaps) to move up from halfway in the first round. It would not work unless the Cowboys miss the playoffs this season. You also need a team that does not need a QB picking high.
 

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True. But you could package Diggs plus multiple first round picks (3 perhaps) to move up from halfway in the first round. It would not work unless the Cowboys miss the playoffs this season. You also need a team that does not need a QB picking high.
If that's stupid. Franchise quarterbacks get traded for multiple 1st round picks. It just never works. Didn't work with Goff, didn't work with Wentz...being that desperate seems to bite you in your butt.
 

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Never ever implode a very good team that it took five to eight seasons to build correctly through the draft and cap management to be top shelf...and then for the vanity of a biased group of fans suddenly throw that away for what...taken a lesser team with an unproven gamble at quarterback...and then act all dignified and justified.

Dak is a strong quarterback and the Dallas team is both young and set to resign a whole group of NFL top shelf players for the future. That can be shifted around to acquire any single player...ANY!

Youthful rewrites due to age and labeling both Jerry Jones and Dak Prescott as the cause is both foolish and wrong. One goes to war with who are part of one's team. If someone becomes a casualty of that, then the team can easily make a single player exchange.

Why did New Orleans get Brees?

I'm not listening to a simplified hero worship replace football wise professional with a label of stupid and irresponsible. That's nothing more than spreading misery.
 

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This type of thread is a head scratcher... no not that you want to find a better QB, opinions would vary on what is an upgrade, but that going into this season with this team THATS what your drilling home at this point. We have maybe the most complete defense we have had in decades, we have some legit weapons..YOUR NOT GETTING ANOTHER QB FOR 2023... if your a Cowboys fan its time to pull for THIS ROSTER to win this thing.. pick up your picket line signs after the season for the offseason next year and thats fine. You want a diferent QB, fine.. if your a COwboys fan you understand this season your rooting for this QB to do well.. its really that simple.
 

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If that's stupid. Franchise quarterbacks get traded for multiple 1st round picks. It just never works. Didn't work with Goff, didn't work with Wentz...being that desperate seems to bite you in your butt.
Depends on the pick and the franchise. KC traded two first rounders for Mahomes (pick 10 from like 25 in the first round). It was a big risk. They had Alex Smith, who was consistently getting them into the playoffs.

Some of the franchises are not set up properly to allow the QB time to grow which increases the risk. Mahomes sat for an entire year before taking over. Taking risks is what teams do that are attempting to reach higher thresholds. Standing pat is also a risk. You can miss out on better opportunities that way.
 

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My thread is telling you that I’m not cheering Dak to beat all the odds? You may not be reading very well.
 

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My thread was about roster construction and when to move on from a QB. I based it on all time history. I don’t care if it was Dak or Peyton Manning.

I still feel like 6 full seasons starting (regardless of injury situation) should be plenty to see deep playoff success. If you cannot make it by then with someone-it should mean a team can move on or make a major move in the draft’s first round to attempt to improve.

Everyone takes it as either absurd or a hate thread about Dak.
 

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Never ever implode a very good team that it took five to eight seasons to build correctly through the draft and cap management to be top shelf...and then for the vanity of a biased group of fans suddenly throw that away for what...taken a lesser team with an unproven gamble at quarterback...and then act all dignified and justified.

Dak is a strong quarterback and the Dallas team is both young and set to resign a whole group of NFL top shelf players for the future. That can be shifted around to acquire any single player...ANY!

Youthful rewrites due to age and labeling both Jerry Jones and Dak Prescott as the cause is both foolish and wrong. One goes to war with who are part of one's team. If someone becomes a casualty of that, then the team can easily make a single player exchange.

Why did New Orleans get Brees?

I'm not listening to a simplified hero worship replace football wise professional with a label of stupid and irresponsible. That's nothing more than spreading misery.
Moving on from Dak after this season will not happen if the team reaches the NFCCG. It likely will not happen if they can at least make the playoffs (though in my opinion they should have already made a dramatic move to attempt to improve the position).

If they drafted a QB in the first round next year, I could still see the team keeping Dak for another season. No need to get all dramatic with implosion talk.
 

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Depends on the pick and the franchise. KC traded two first rounders for Mahomes (pick 10 from like 25 in the first round). It was a big risk. They had Alex Smith, who was consistently getting them into the playoffs.

Some of the franchises are not set up properly to allow the QB time to grow which increases the risk. Mahomes sat for an entire year before taking over. Taking risks is what teams do that are attempting to reach higher thresholds. Standing pat is also a risk. You can miss out on better opportunities that way.
It worked with Mahomes and even to a lesser extent I Think Deshaun got traded as well in that same draft. Two instances where it did work. But there's only one Mahomes. I guess some think Lawrence and Herbert are Mahomes....they aren't.
 

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Moving on from Dak after this season will not happen if the team reaches the NFCCG. It likely will not happen if they can at least make the playoffs (though in my opinion they should have already made a dramatic move to attempt to improve the position).

If they drafted a QB in the first round next year, I could still see the team keeping Dak for another season. No need to get all dramatic with implosion talk.
That is progress in the NFL. Success is never guaranteed until a specific team has a stable picture to work from. Dallas is there right now. When Dallas had their 'dynasty' San Francisco has about 8 very high winning seasons as well.

Momentum is important to a team as that is a current winning formula. Arriving in the playoffs, either a team is top of the line dominant. Or the team has to meet game changing events in each and every game to advance. That takes team and top of the group successes.

If a team is weakened by events and injury, that reflects as well. Not just being a loser or guilt of the owner or quarterback.

It is more game directed until the top slot.
 

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It worked with Mahomes and even to a lesser extent I Think Deshaun got traded as well in that same draft. Two instances where it did work. But there's only one Mahomes. I guess some think Lawrence and Herbert are Mahomes....they aren't.
Both Lawrence and Herbert are very strong quarterbacks and winners.

Andy Reid is the determining factor in Kansas City.
 
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