CFZ Breaking History

[KJJ]

But now we’re getting into reasons in the hypothetical Dallas may one day consider trading Dak Prescott. He is due an extension, there’s no indication he’d sign for anything less than record breaking based on how the last negaotiation went.

Jared Goff made a Super Bowl, was 42-20 in his last 4 years in LA, and had a season very similar to Dak’s last year. Made the playoffs as a wildcard, beat a division winner round 1, lost to 13-3 GB round two. Traded that offseason. Why? Because the team had decided he was good but they wanted to try and do better. I don’t think Jerry is the type to make a decision like that, but there is precedent that teams do think that way

The Cowboys aren’t going to do what Seattle did and trade their franchise QB and replace them with a QB that failed for other teams. Geno Smith had a pretty good season for Seattle, but I still don’t think he’s the answer. Jared Goff stunk in the Super Bowl and his numbers began to drop after that season. He threw for less yards and 10 fewer TDs the following season. His decline continued during the 2020 season. They ended up trading him for a QB that had won nothing in Detroit, because his numbers were better and he had some athletic ability. The Rams wanted to get rid of Goff so bad they gave up two number one picks, so Detroit would take on his contract.

 

[Blitzen]

He didn’t provide a single example. None of those QBs he mentioned were at the top of their games and making the playoffs consistently year after year. They were either aging or in decline and their teams were looking to move on from them. Dak doesn’t fall in the category of any of those QBs.

I don’t believe Dak looked at the top of his game in several games last season. He looked aging and in decline several times.

As to whether a team replaces a QB that isn’t looking to replace them-that has nothing to do with my stance. The Cowboys don’t seem to care as long as they make the playoffs. That is the true goal of this franchise. Make the postseason-period. If there is a risk in trying to improve the position to reach higher threshold, this front office is unwilling to take that gamble. Other teams do make that gamble. Several-and many of them did not really have viable alternatives.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The Cowboys aren’t going to do what Seattle did and trade their franchise QB and replace them with a QB that failed for other teams. Geno Smith had a pretty good season for Seattle, but I still don’t think he’s the answer. Jared Goff stunk in the Super Bowl and his numbers began to drop after that season. He threw for less yards and 10 fewer TDs the following season. His decline continued during the 2020 season. They ended up trading him for a QB that had won nothing in Detroit, because his numbers were better and he had some athletic ability. The Rams wanted to get rid of Goff so bad they gave up two number one picks, so Detroit would take on his contract.

Yes exactly, and Dak Prescott just led the world in interceptions despite playing only 12 games and has had back to back disappointing playoff outings that you probably win with a slightly better QB. Again, I’m not saying you should trade him, but none of these arguments are contradicting anything.

We can Jimmy G next. Started the most games for NFCCG team SF last year, also made the NFCCG 2021 and the Super Bowl 2019

 

[KJJ]

Wilsons struggles last year weren't because he was a declining QB.

Seattle wouldn’t have moved on from him if he wasn’t a declining QB. Go look at his numbers in Seattle his final season. He didn’t have a single 300 yard game and his QB record was 6-8. Everyone was thinking Denver would have a real good team last season by adding Wilson, but he continued to struggle. He was 4-12 last season. He’s not even close to the QB he was a few years ago.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Russell Wilson had a no trade clause. That just means he can’t be traded to a team he doesn’t want to go to. If Dallas is fed up with him, they’ll get him to agree to a trade one way or another

Exactly how are the Cowboys going to get him to agree? Wilson wanted out. Dak doesn't.

 

[CCBoy]

I don’t believe Dak looked at the top of his game in several games last season. He looked aging and in decline several times.

As to whether a team replaces a QB that isn’t looking to replace them-that has nothing to do with my stance. The Cowboys don’t seem to care as long as they make the playoffs. That is the true goal of this franchise. Make the postseason-period. If there is a risk in trying to improve the position to reach higher threshold, this front office is unwilling to take that gamble. Other teams do make that gamble. Several-and many of them did not really have viable alternatives.

What affect did the offensive line, running back out, and lowered receiver talent have?

 

[KJJ]

Yes exactly, and Dak Prescott just led the world in interceptions and has had back to back disappointing playoff outings you probably win with a slightly better QB. Again, I’m not saying you should trade him, but none of these arguments are contradicting anything.

We can Jimmy G next. Started the most games for NFCCG team SF last year, also made the NFCCG 2021 and the Super Bowl 2019

What happened last season with the INT’s was a fluke. He’s never had a season like that. He may have played terrible against San Francisco in the playoffs last season, but he was terrific against Tom Brady and the Bucs, The Cowboys have only won 4 playoff games in the last 20+ years and he’s won 2 of them. He led us to our first road playoff win in 30 years.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Exactly how are the Cowboys going to get him to agree? Wilson wanted out. Dak doesn't.

“The coaching staff wants to move on. You’ll be the new rookie’s backup for a few years, or you can pick your team of choice to continue starting for.”

Not a lot of guys would say no to that

 

[big dog cowboy]

Seattle wouldn’t have moved on from him if he wasn’t a declining QB. Go look at his numbers in Seattle his final season. He didn’t have a single 300 yard game and his QB record was 6-8. Everyone was thinking Denver would have a real good team last season by adding Wilson, but he continued to struggle.

Oh my. Well, Seattle moved on from him because he wanted out and because his salary cap hit was so high.

He struggled in Denver because of the terrible HC and terrible offense. This is common knowledge and not new news.

 

[tyke1doe]

Dak's not going anywhere for the foreseeable future. Better buckle up your seat belts. You're along for the ride whether you like it or not. Click!

 

[CCBoy]

Yes exactly, and Dak Prescott just led the world in interceptions despite playing only 12 games and has had back to back disappointing playoff outings that you probably win with a slightly better QB. Again, I’m not saying you should trade him, but none of these arguments are contradicting anything.

We can Jimmy G next. Started the most games for NFCCG team SF last year, also made the NFCCG 2021 and the Super Bowl 2019

Woo Hoo...they were then beat by Philadelphia and are ranked just how high at quarterback here and now?

 

[KJJ]

Exactly how are the Cowboys going to get him to agree? Wilson wanted out. Dak doesn't.

Seattle wanted out as well. Wilson has ended up in a worse situation because he’s declined. If he thought the Seahawks were the problem, he was wrong. Denver would love to have a do over with that trade. I predicted Wilson wouldn’t play well in Denver. They might have been better off keeping Drew Lock.

 

[big dog cowboy]

“The coaching staff wants to move on. You’ll be the new rookie’s backup for a few years, or you can pick your team of choice to continue starting for.”

The coaching staff doesn't want to move on. The GM doesn't want to move on. The ownership doesn't want to move on. The QB doesn't want to move on.

Bottom line - he isn't getting traded.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

What happened last season with the INT’s was a fluke. He’s never had a season like that. He may have played terrible against San Francisco in the playoffs last season, but he was terrific against Tom Brady and the Bucs, I Cowboys a Vons, the one for playoff games in the last 20+ years and he’s won 2 of them. He led us to our first road playoff win in 30 years.

You could say the exact same about seasonal flukes with Russell Wilson you just tore down in the previous post as a good reason for Seattle to drop him.

As for the Tampa game, Some teams have higher aspirations than winning a road wild card game. Again, it’s a matter of what the goals of the organization are. It’s cool that he won the first road playoff game in however long, but it’s the same result had they won one just the year prior. Garoppolo has had a myriad of impressive playoff wins the last 4 seasons, SF didnt care. Like you, they had a loaded roster. But they they felt they could get better results from it, so they tried to improve the position.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If he thought the Seahawks were the problem, he was wrong.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ation-swirls-that-he-wants-to-leave-seahawks/

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The coaching staff doesn't want to move on. The GM doesn't want to move on. The ownership doesn't want to move on. The QB doesn't want to move on.

Bottom line - he isn't getting traded.

I know, the other posters are bringing up the hypothetical and I’m playing their game

 

[CCBoy]

The coaching staff doesn't want to move on. The GM doesn't want to move on. The ownership doesn't want to move on. The QB doesn't want to move on.

Bottom line - he isn't getting traded.

A bunch of hard and fast truths is pretty difficult to argue against unless simply biased and not budging from a stereotype. Not a discussion then.

 

[Blitzen]

What affect did the offensive line, running back out, and lowered receiver talent have?

It did not help. During the regular season, the offensive line looked good and the running backs were doing great. Can’t always have number one receivers across the board. Has his favorite target Schultz and a true number one in Lamb which is way more than lots of other clubs.

He was inconsistent and looked older (athletically) in several games.

 

[KJJ]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ation-swirls-that-he-wants-to-leave-seahawks/

Neither the Seahawks or Wilson ever said they wanted to move on but we all know they did.

 

[Blitzen]

I know, the other posters are bringing up the hypothetical and I’m playing their game

Is it just me or do several of our posters try to end hypotheticals when they do not like how it makes them think? I never made an argument as to what will happen.