CFZ Breaking History

[Aerolithe_Lion]

You said Dak almost "lost" the game as if he was the reason it was close.

What are we even arguing? Dak ALMOST lost lol? Minshew's LOSS was a closer football game than Rush's game? A loss is a loss why are we trying to fix it up lol?

Well, it’s a specific point someone else made I was adding context to. The argument is Jalen Hurts had less stats than Dak when comparing the two games. And this means Jalen “choked” the game away as the poster put it, despite winning fairly comfortably … when he put his team in position to win as well or better than Dak did. Stat totals are often dictated by the circumstances of the game.

Dak opened that other game with a pick 6, while Zeke had 55 yards rushing and Tony 19. Philadelphia had multiple different 10 point leads throughout the game. Dak needed the throw the football 35 times to win that game, so he did.

Philadelphia scored more points in the first game halfway through the second quarter than Dallas did in the entire game. We ended up running the ball for most of the second half, including the game sealing drive in the fourth quarter that was like 11 straight runs if you recall. You guys couldn’t stop it. So in that circumstance Jalen only even attempted 25 passes the entire game, which matched the lowest amount of the season with the Jags game (due to inclimate weather) and the 9ers game who also couldn’t stop the run in the second half. Had we been down 10 in the first half and again in the third quarter, he would have needed to pass more. Game circumstance dictates performance, as you said with the SF playoff game

If the Cowboys would’ve scored more points the 49ers would’ve put up 30.

 

[Vtwin]

Same ish, different thread.
Every dang day.

Sigh.

I can understand being tired of the Dak threads but the OP did present a compelling argument based on precedent.

Does he really deserve your version of "same ish, different day"?

 

[Motorola]

Start naming the teams that have moved on from playoff QBs? Dak isn’t the sole reason the Cowboys lost those two playoff games to San Francisco. We couldn’t run the ball in either loss, go look at our rushing totals and averages in those games. Even Dilfer had a running game to help him. Can’t take anyone serious that’s trying to lump Dak in with Trent Dilfer.

Whenver Dilfer's name comes up in these discussions about average or lesser QBs that started on a Super Bowl Champion team, I chuckle.
I bet many fans don't know, or forgot that Trent Dilfer was a No. 1 draft pick - and 6th overall - in 1994.

 

[Motorola]

And Jalen Hurts fumbled the football on his own for a TD to cost your Eagles a Super Bowl victory after having a 10 point lead to start the 4th quarter. The same Jalen Hurts who struggled to throw for a mere 155 yards for a single digit score win against a Cooper Rush led Cowboys team on October 16, 2022 at Philthy. Talk about mental choke city when it matters the most, but hey, let's bash on the Cowboys QB. LMAO

Choking in a multiple possession win is an interesting perspective, but yeah we probably win the SB if he doesn’t fumble

Hurts' fumble that resulted in a Chiefs scoop-and-score happened in the 2nd quarter. The Eagles then scored twice to have a 10 point lead at halftime 24-14.

 

[DeaconMoss]

You’re not going to make a very good case for moving on from a QB who’s leading you to the playoffs. No team moves on from a QB that’s leading them to the playoffs. They move on from QBs that aren’t leading them to the playoffs. Making it seem like Dak is on par with Trent Dilfer is laughable! Hopefully you didn’t waste this much time on your previous posts, trying to make a case for moving on from him.

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[America's Cowboy]

Hurts' fumble that resulted in a Chiefs scoop-and-score happened in the 2nd quarter. The Eagles then scored twice to have a 10 point lead at halftime 24-14.

And they still choked. Hurts choked in the 1st half. The rest of his team choked in the 4th.

 

[Flamma]

The Cowboys aren’t going to trade Dak unless they have a better option in-house. The Joneses aren’t going to leave themselves scrambling to try and find another QB and watch season after season go down the drain in the process. If Dak continues to regress this season, and it leads to the Cowboys missing the playoffs, then he might start falling in the category of some of the QBs from the teams you listed.

Here's the thing. If the Cowboys wanted to, they could set themselves up to do what Carolina did this year. The Cowboys could get the #1 pick next year without losing a lot of 1st round picks. But it's risky. It can be worth it to get a QB like Burrow.

 

[Motorola]

And they still choked. Hurts choked in the 1st half. The rest of his team choked in the 4th.

Just stating my opinion that after the FR score happened, the game didn't change in favor of the Chiefs going into halftime...that's all.

 

[Flamma]

And they still choked. Hurts choked in the 1st half. The rest of his team choked in the 4th.

Yeah. There is no other way to look at it. The Eagles also got lucky on that catch, fumble, and Chiefs recovery that they called incomplete. You catch the ball, get two feet down, then fumble, I consider that a fumble. I don't care how fast it happened. The Eagles got a break there.

 

[KJJ]

Here's the thing. If the Cowboys wanted to, they could set themselves up to do what Carolina did this year. The Cowboys could get the #1 pick next year without losing a lot of 1st round picks. But it's risky. It can be worth it to get a QB like Burrow.

With the team the Cowboys have they would have to mortgage their future for the next decade to get up to the number one overall pick. We don’t even know how good the current crop of college QBs are at this moment. There’s no assurances there’s going to be a QB like Burrow in this draft and he’s not perfect. What Carolina did was give up a bunch of draft picks for a little QB. I’ll be borderline shocked if he stays healthy. Cam Newton was huge and he couldn’t stay healthy in Carolina. Some had Stroud rated ahead of Young. One analyst said Richardson was the most physically gifted QB he’s ever seen, and he was the third QB taken. I don’t want to see the Cowboys do anything like what Carolina did. That was a desperate move by the Panthers.

 

[KJJ]

Whenver Dilfer's name comes up in these discussions about average or lesser QBs that started on a Super Bowl Champion team, I chuckle.
I bet many fans don't know, or forgot that Trent Dilfer was a No. 1 draft pick - and 6th overall - in 1994.

Whenever Dilfer’s name comes up in a discussion about Dak I know i’m wasting my time.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Whenver Dilfer's name comes up in these discussions about average or lesser QBs that started on a Super Bowl Champion team, I chuckle.
I bet many fans don't know, or forgot that Trent Dilfer was a No. 1 draft pick - and 6th overall - in 1994.

And I followed the Ravens that year because my dad was a raven fan and I get all their games around here. They went through quite a lot of Qbs before they got Dilfer. Dilfer might not have been much but he was a smart QB and did know how to win games. He was playing like Manning did his last year in Denver. When you have a great defense you don't throw the ball all around and get interceptions.

 

[Flamma]

With the team the Cowboys have they would have to mortgage their future for the next decade to get up to the number one overall pick. We don’t even know how good the current crop of college QBs are at this moment. There’s no assurances there’s going to be a QB like Burrow in this draft and he’s not perfect. What Carolina did was give up a bunch of draft picks for a little QB. I’ll be borderline shocked if he stays healthy. Cam Newton was huge and he couldn’t stay healthy in Carolina. Some had Stroud rated ahead of Young. One analyst said Richardson was the most physically gifted QB he’s ever seen, and he was the third QB taken. I don’t want to see the Cowboys do anything like what Carolina did. That was a desperate move by the Panthers.

Dallas wouldn't have to mortgage the future. A first round pick and Parsons would get it done. Or our first round pick and what we could get for Parsons in a trade. He's easily two first rounders at the minimum. But you better hope your pick isn't a bust. I certainly wouldn't have done it for QB Young.

 

[Motorola]

And I followed the Ravens that year because my dad was a raven fan and I get all their games around here. They went through quite a lot of Qbs before they got Dilfer. Dilfer might not have been much but he was a smart QB and did know how to win games. He was playing like Manning did his last year in Denver. When you have a great defense you don't throw the ball all around and get interceptions.

And I just found out that after his ESPN job ended a half-dozen years ago (2017), Dilfer went into coaching.
Started out at a private school high school in Nashville..but now he is the new head coach at UAB.
His first game as a rookie college coach --- two months from today ---
on the road against the two-time defending FBS national champions.

 

[KJJ]

Dallas wouldn't have to mortgage the future. A first round pick and Parsons would get it done. Or our first round pick and what we could get for Parsons in a trade. He's easily two first rounders at the minimum. But you better hope your pick isn't a bust. I certainly wouldn't have done it for QB Young.

You want to give up a first round pick and Parsons for the number one overall pick? No way would I do that for a roll of the dice on a QB that could go bust. You remove Parsons from our defense and we’re not half as good. Just when the Cowboys are starting to build a real good defense, fans want to trade our best defensive player. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Flamma]

You want to give up a first round pick and Parsons for the number one overall pick? No way would I do that for a roll of the dice on a QB that could go bust. You remove Parsons from our defense and we’re not half as good. Just when the Cowboys are starting to build a real good defense, fans want to trade our best defensive player. It makes absolutely no sense.

I don't want to do it. Just saying what they could do. It's a risk. If you get an elite QB, it's worth it. They don't have to trade Parsons either. We have other players. I was just using him as an example of what Dallas could do without mortgaging the future.

Diggs or Lamb would suffice. But you'd probably have to give up more in picks. But still, A top QB would probably be as good as Dak. At a rookie contract.

 

[KJJ]

I don't want to do it. Just saying what they could do. It's a risk. If you get an elite QB, it's worth it. They don't have to trade Parsons either. We have other players. I was just using him as an example of what Dallas could do without mortgaging the future.

Diggs or Lamb would suffice. But you'd probably have to give up more in picks. But still, A top QB would probably be as good as Dak. At a rookie contract.

They would never be stupid enough to do that. That would be an extremely desperate move for a team that’s extremely desperate for a QB. You’re bringing up our best players in a trade for a QB. I’ve said it a hundred times, it’s not going to be easy finding a better QB than Dak. I’m certainly not going to risk some of my best players to try and do it. The bust rate on QBs is way too high to do something like that. You could end up with a Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson at QB minus some real good players.

 

[Blitzen]

You said borderline elite. The 49ers did what it took to win which was not much. If the Cowboys would’ve scored more points the 49ers would’ve put up 30.

Lol-now that is a ridiculous statement. Stick to your narrative. If the Cowboys would have scored more points the SF offense would automatically score more. What a crock.

 

[Flamma]

They would never be stupid enough to do that. That would be an extremely desperate move for a team that’s extremely desperate for a QB. You’re bringing up our best players in a trade for a QB. I’ve said it a hundred times, it’s not going to be easy finding a better QB than Dak. I’m certainly not going to risk some of my best players to try and do it. The bust rate on QBs is way too high to do something like that. You could end up with a Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson at QB minus some real good players.

I don't know what people thought of Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson, but to me, they were wildcards. Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence were much better prospects coming out. You don't just move up to draft anyone at the top, that's how you get Trey Lance. Besides the 49ers, I don't know of anyone else that thought that was a good idea. But you're right that there are no guarantees regardless.

I know the Cowboys aren't going to do this. But they have that option. Dak will get an extension and that will be his last. In a few years when this team no longer has a stacked roster, they'll see what a waste it is to keep Prescott.

 

[KJJ]

I don't know what people thought of Sam Darnold or Zach Wilson, but to me, they were wildcards. Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence were much better prospects coming out. You don't just move up to draft anyone at the top, that's how you get Trey Lance. Besides the 49ers, I don't know of anyone else that thought that was a good idea. But you're right that there are no guarantees regardless.

I know the Cowboys aren't going to do this. But they have that option. Dak will get an extension and that will be his last. In a few years when this team no longer has a stacked roster, they'll see what a waste it is to keep Prescott.

People thought real highly of them, which is why they were top five picks. Most had them ranked in the top 10. Trevor Lawrence was the fifth highest rated QB to ever come out, and he still hasn’t arrived yet. The Cowboys won’t be making any drastic moves for a QB anytime soon. The miss rate on QBs is much higher than the hit rate.