Breer: "They're looking at Cardale Jones"

[AKATheRake]

Don't think it's not a factor. I still remember that moron mentioning how he and Quincy share a birthday.

I remember that statement also.

I also remember him bragging about another player coming from Arkansas and joining the team with Jones on his back.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Drew Boylhart (The Huddle Report) PARAPHRASED...


Cardale Jones QB Ohio St

STRENGTHS
Cardale might be the most physically gifted quarterback in this draft. He has a strong arm and excellent accuracy. He has the athleticism to move in the pocket, and the ability to gain yards on the run if the pocket breaks down. He has the prototypical size, strength and arm talent that NFL teams look for. The film shows that he's a talented athlete. Unfortunately, it takes more than talent to play in the NFL.

CONCERNS
My concerns with Cardale are work ethic, football IQ, physical conditioning, and mental toughness. Cardale looks to be physically out of shape and it showed in his pro day work out. In interviews, his lack of maturity is frightening.

TALENT BOARD ROUND: 5
His primary issues are lack of maturity, poor work ethic, and conditioning. He should be embarrassed that he never reached his potential while still in college. He has too much talent to have gotten benched. That should've been a wakeup call or at least a source of embarrassment. I wouldn't draft him. He has a lot of maturing to do. I'd let another team draft him, and then once his rookie contract is up, I'd consider picking him up in free agency. Let another team deal with his growing pains. He has top 10 physical talent, but his lack of work ethic, maturity, and football IQ will prevent teams from spending a 1st rd pick on him. Consequently, coaches will not be pressed to spend a lot of time developing him. He's going to have to want to get better himself. And, I question if he has the will to get better. A lack of committed coaches to babysit him and teach him means he will have little direction, and direction is exactly what he needs. I also question if he's mature enough to responsibly handle a NFL paycheck. Nevertheless, I'm sure he'll be drafted. Because, in the NFL, talent always trumps character.

I have no idea whether this is true or not but I do find it interesting that most reports I read said he had a good pro day, showed some touch on some of his passes that wasn't seen before (I will look for an article or two) and the writer left out the fact that he did work out with a QB coach after the season. This would suggest to me that he is trying to better himself.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/14969365/a-pro-day-life-cardale-jones
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/.../nfl-draft-scouts-flock-to-ohio-state-pro-day

 

[Avery]

I think he's a possibility if we don't see anyone by the third round.

 

[DC Cowboy]

I think this is a more accurate description of his situation:
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2016/3/12/10877794/article

 

[DC Cowboy]

I think he's a possibility if we don't see anyone by the third round.

I think it is worth a shot if we can get him in the end of the 4th or 5th. There is talent there.

 

[Dorsett33]

Wait, didn't we already do this with Quincy Carter? This can't possibly be true.

Tell me something....in what way do you compare him to Quincy Carter? I'm curious.

 

[AbeBeta]

Tell me something....in what way do you compare him to Quincy Carter? I'm curious.

I often ask the same sort of question in these situations. Drew Henson seems the more accurate comparison. Big guy. Great arm. Limited experience.

 

[texbumthelife]

Tell me something....in what way do you compare him to Quincy Carter? I'm curious.

Mobile QB lacking any refinement as a passer or any of the smaller nuances with the addition of obvious attitude and mental issues. Cowboys looking hard at him on the heels of Cam Newton winning MVP, like they chased Quincy on the heels of McNabb playing so well.

Oh and he's black. I figured that's what you were looking for.

 

[lkelly]

A few thoughts:

1. Hard to fault them blowing a late 6th or something on a project like Jones. The rate that they have been hitting on the third day of the draft makes it a "why the heck not?" scenario. If he can learn for a couple years and turn into a poor man's Dante Culpepper, then where's the risk? If he flames out then he's basically in the same boat that (insert crap linebacker or DB that never makes the team) was in.

2. Urby's offense is not one that lends itself to NFL success. The number of "busts" that come out of his program makes you hesitant to think that it's really an NFL factory. RBs who routinely get wide open spaces to run through, WRs that run deep go patterns off extremely successful play action fakes (following 4 straight big runs), and QBs that are picked due to their athleticism. Braxton Miller, a WR, would still be the starter there if he hadn't blown out his shoulder. Maybe if a QB isn't a good fit for Urban's offense it means he might be more suited to the pro game.

3. Crazy thought, but maybe after some time on the practice squad (or a sneaky stash on IR) he might be considered for a position move to TE. I know it's trendy 'round here to blow second round picks on future recycling bin TEs, but why not stumble into a former basketball player or position change late round gem?

Until I see real evidence of J. Russell like work ethic/drug problems, I'm hesitant to lump him into the same group. So he's big, shares the same skin color, and made some dumb twitter statements. It's a big leap. Now if he has been known to party with Zeke and Bosa...

 

[texbumthelife]

A few thoughts:

1. Hard to fault them blowing a late 6th or something on a project like Jones. The rate that they have been hitting on the third day of the draft makes it a "why the heck not?" scenario. If he can learn for a couple years and turn into a poor man's Dante Culpepper, then where's the risk? If he flames out then he's basically in the same boat that (insert crap linebacker or DB that never makes the team) was in.

2. Urby's offense is not one that lends itself to NFL success. The number of "busts" that come out of his program makes you hesitant to think that it's really an NFL factory. RBs who routinely get wide open spaces to run through, WRs that run deep go patterns off extremely successful play action fakes (following 4 straight big runs), and QBs that are picked due to their athleticism. Braxton Miller, a WR, would still be the starter there if he hadn't blown out his shoulder. Maybe if a QB isn't a good fit for Urban's offense it means he might be more suited to the pro game.

3. Crazy thought, but maybe after some time on the practice squad (or a sneaky stash on IR) he might be considered for a position move to TE. I know it's trendy 'round here to blow second round picks on future recycling bin TEs, but why not stumble into a former basketball player or position change late round gem?

Until I see real evidence of J. Russell like work ethic/drug problems, I'm hesitant to lump him into the same group. So he's big, shares the same skin color, and made some dumb twitter statements. It's a big leap. Now if he has been known to party with Zeke and Bosa...

I don't think anyone would really give two ***** if the Cowboys took him in the 6th. I know I wouldn't. I just wouldn't go near the kid before then. Also, if I was going to burn a draft pick on a drastic long shot QB that needed a lot of work, I would take Vernon Adams. At least he has shown the willingness to learn and adapt.

 

[lkelly]

I don't think anyone would really give two ****s if the Cowboys took him in the 6th. I know I wouldn't. I just wouldn't go near the kid before then. Also, if I was going to burn a draft pick on a drastic long shot QB that needed a lot of work, I would take Vernon Adams. At least he has shown the willingness to learn and adapt.

It's hard to get a feel for Jones' ability to learn a pro system though. He made some really nice throws the prior year with very little playing time. He seemed like a poor fit for Urban's offense because he didn't like to run first. Many of his runs were scrambles. He either seems motivated to embrace a pro system and get out of the college machine (see recent rant against the NCAA), or else he's one of those guys who just won't accept his circumstances and make the best of it. Sadly scouts probably won't get the truth out of Urban as he's more likely to blow smoke up certain holes than just tell the truth. The guy spent the better part of 5 years railing against anyone who thought Tebow wasn't the second coming. He was a great Urban QB and a horrible NFL disaster.

Who knows - maybe some team like Cleveland throws a third rounder at Jones and all this is moot. This is assuming they go off script and don't pick a QB at #2.

 

[Zekeats]

What if we drafted the triplets

1. Elliott
2. Thomas
3-5. Jones

 

[Oh_Canada]

If your looking for a pure project, Driskel is a better option.

 

[AbeBeta]

Mobile QB lacking any refinement as a passer or any of the smaller nuances with the addition of obvious attitude and mental issues. Cowboys looking hard at him on the heels of Cam Newton winning MVP, like they chased Quincy on the heels of McNabb playing so well.

Oh and he's black. I figured that's what you were looking for.

Yeah. But he's not particularly mobile. He played in a read option that was a terrible fit. He's a pocket passer.

Guys are not very similar

 

[texbumthelife]

Yeah. But he's not particularly mobile. He played in a read option that was a terrible fit. He's a pocket passer.

Guys are not very similar

As we found out, Quincy wasn't very mobile either...

My original comment was really about the copycat syndrome that seems similar to when the Cowboys went after Quincy to get their own McNabb. Several others apparently shared my feelings.

They're both also total head cases who've shown a propensity to make poor decisions and either a lack or ability to absorb and learn the position, or a lack of caring to.

 

[Dorsett33]

Mobile QB lacking any refinement as a passer or any of the smaller nuances with the addition of obvious attitude and mental issues. Cowboys looking hard at him on the heels of Cam Newton winning MVP, like they chased Quincy on the heels of McNabb playing so well.

Oh and he's black. I figured that's what you were looking for.

I wasn't looking for anything. Comparing him cause they are both black is your only comparison. I don't know how you would know his mental state and attitude. Some of you are something else! But it was just as I figured....uneducated!