Brian Waters

[Chocolate Lab]

Aside from all of the intelligent points and well thought out comments, this post was absurd.

Actually, I think CowboyMike is right. What's absurd about what he said?

And to what someone else said... MacMahon claims that Nagy got hurt in practice, and Dockery was going out with the ones that day before the injury occurred.

This thread is just what that other thread was talking about: A reasonable discussion is brought up, prompted by our opponent this week, and most people play the "You're just a whiner and complainer!!!" card before even considering the question.

 

[CCBoy]

Kosier gets a 3-year deal yet isn't a 'progress stopper' for the young guys who at that point hadn't shown anything at the NFL level - and apparently neither Holland nor Dockery would have either.

But somehow, some way, Brian Waters, a multi-time Pro Bowler would have been.

Logic never gets twisted quite as much as it does here when folks will do whatever it takes to defend their beloved Cowboys.

And always having to compare back to a salary, huh? Well, let's just see:

Waters - $3M+ with New England
Dockery - $800,000 w/ incentives

Oh yea, and pedigree with both interior linemen. But far more wear on Waters who went to Europe before the NFL. Better check tread again...

 

[Stash]

Dockery came here as an injury based starter/back up. Waters would have been here to start. Dallas simply wanted to play the promising youth and you have a problem with this?

Funny how Waters didn't go to New England with any fabricated 'must start' mandate?

He started out of necessity when their center got injured. And he's stayed starting because he's done a great job.

Any other weak excuses folks would like to make up?

 

[Stash]

And always having to compare back to a salary, huh? Well, let's just see:

Waters - $3M+ with New England
Dockery - $800,000 w/ incentives

Oh yea, and pedigree with both interior linemen. But far more wear on Waters who went to Europe before the NFL. Better check tread again...

Know what Boss, you don't even matter.

You opinions have zero value.

You've clearly proven to be nothing more than a Cowboys shill who'll slurp up whatever they feed you.

It was clearly illustrated when you proclaimed Gurode 'underrated' and scolded the fanbase here and then proceeded to praise the team when they got rid of him.

Stick to copying and pasting articles and leave the higher brain function to others.

You're obviously conditioned to think what someone tells you to think.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Holland couldn't be cut because he was injured. Jerry waited until he returned to get rid of him.

From what I remember Waters was badly out of shape. So the question is would you want too cut a badly out of shape Holland to sign a badly out of shape Waters? Not for what he was asking.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Know what Boss, you don't even matter.

You opinions have zero value.

You've clearly proven to be nothing more than a Cowboys shill who'll slurp up whatever they feed you.

It was clearly illustrated when you proclaimed Gurode 'underrated' and scolded the fanbase here and then proceeded to praise the team when they got rid of him.

Stick to copying and pasting articles and leave the higher brain function to others.

You're obviously conditioned to think what someone tells you to think.

And you're conditioned to grab onto that bone and hold on for dear life.

Let it go. Waters is not a Cowboy. So far he doing well in NE. Good for him. But until he turns out to be all-world this season I don't see how it was a mistake to pass on him.

 

[Stash]

Holland couldn't be cut because he was injured. Jerry waited until he returned to get rid of him.

From what I remember Waters was badly out of shape. So the question is would you want too cut a badly out of shape Holland to sign a badly out of shape Waters? Not for what he was asking.

There was never anything resembling confirmation of Waters being out of shape. In fact reality shows exactly the opposite. He was quickly ready to step right in for the Patriots after signing on Sept 4th and has done a great job since he's been there.

 

[Stash]

And you're conditioned to grab onto that bone and hold on for dear life.

Let it go. Waters is not a Cowboy. So far he doing well in NE. Good for him. But until he turns out to be all-world this season I don't see how it was a mistake to pass on him.

You let it go.

You can gloss over every mistake this team makes and then dare to wonder why the end results come up short.

The Cowboys had every opportunity to sign a multi-time Pro Bowler and model citizen and a player who would have been an ideal mentor for this young offensive line showing them what it takes to be a self-made NFL player.

They screwed up.

End of story.

 

[CCBoy]

Know what Boss, you don't even matter.

You opinions have zero value.

You've clearly proven to be nothing more than a Cowboys shill who'll slurp up whatever they feed you.

It was clearly illustrated when you proclaimed Gurode 'underrated' and scolded the fanbase here and then proceeded to praise the team when they got rid of him.

Stick to copying and pasting articles and leave the higher brain function to others.

You're obviously conditioned to think what someone tells you to think.

You are purely vanity limited to a foul mouth...are beligerent in deference to discussion, and proclaim vast acerage of credability when you amount to little more than self proclaimed arrogance.

You seek to justify your own doubts and never understand why there are diapers.

As to your opinions, find a john and read up on the literature on the stalls.
Until you master an exhange based on information, and not your sense of personal entitlements, it doesn't matter if one or fifteen upon a totem pole are stacked...you are still full of manure on topic. As insult is not the final card played. And even stacked decks are called out...visit Vegas and find out for real.

But you never measure or go beyond your own stance defining a slur, and were called just on those issues, but YOU are the one taking slander beyond topical changes. But called here on that as well.

And I'll tell your lame backside why I called you out here and now...because for too long, loud mouthed 'Cowboys' fans have used a continual list of first, players, to insult and ridicule for any made up reason, and then immediate toss the same labels out on anyone not kissing up to you directly. Not this time, cry baby, to get into a lockerroom jock popping episode, one has to be first allowed into that area, and then possess enough to require the wearing of a jockey strap.

NO ONE is defined by your insults. Try actually dealing with topic, and not just your rush back into the john. As your focus, once disagreed with by myself, is nothing more than juvenile rebellion.

An adult would go to discussion of topic, and even here, that was offered unto yourself...but then again, go figure someone who insists on another tantrum.

No wonder:


Waters - $3M+ with New England
Dockery - $800,000 w/ incentives

Oh yea, and pedigree with both interior linemen. But far more wear on Waters who went to Europe before the NFL. Better check tread again...



went directly over your head.


You think a head is what holds your ears apart.

 

[CCBoy]

You let it go.

You can gloss over every mistake this team makes and then dare to wonder why the end results come up short.

The Cowboys had every opportunity to sign a multi-time Pro Bowler and model citizen and a player who would have been an ideal mentor for this young offensive line showing them what it takes to be a self-made NFL player.

They screwed up.

End of story.

Sure they did, and end of story....for sure. Right...why not? Nooooo, no other way to it. So be it....yes, for sure. why of course. Couldn't be otherwise....

 

[HanD]

Would Kyle Kosier be considered a progress stopper as well?

Not being a ******** but would the difference be that we signed kosier when we had no one basically on the line before camp and waters would have been after we saw progress and wanted to give nagy costa and arkin a shot to succeed?

 

[Randy White]

itching about not signing Brian Waters ? Really ?



Apparently the release of Biggs, Gurode and Columbo wasn't enough of an indication that the Cowboys were going to go in a different direction when it came to the offensive line. It's Jerrah's fault. He should have bought full page adds in the DMN and Star-Telegram, with " 3 inch block letters ", saying the Cowboys were going to rebuild the O-line and were going to use players from the draft and players that were on the roster. Darn you, Jerrah..

Brian FREAKIN' Waters .. unbelievable..

 

[kmd24]

You let it go.

You can gloss over every mistake this team makes and then dare to wonder why the end results come up short.

The Cowboys had every opportunity to sign a multi-time Pro Bowler and model citizen and a player who would have been an ideal mentor for this young offensive line showing them what it takes to be a self-made NFL player.

They screwed up.

End of story.

So what? Now that we've seen him play, it's clear that if the reason the FO didn't pursue Waters was that they thought he was washed up, they made a mistake. A small, relatively low-impact mistake. Big deal.

So many posters on this board were howling when the major moves we made in free agency were to sign Elam and Coleman and re-sign some of our own, such as Sensabaugh. So far those decisions look like good ones.

There are a lot of decisions to make around a football team. The best you can do is make an educated guess. Some of them you get right, some of them you get wrong. And, if you're smart, you judge on the whole rather than finding a nit to pick.

So yeah, you got them dead to rights on this one. They guessed wrong, even though the indications they had to go on were that Waters wasn't very good in 2010. The Pats guessed right. Good for them. Guess what? The Pats also took a chance on Albert Haynesworth, trading a 5th rounder for a guy that looks like he's going to be a total waste for them.

 

[Stash]

You are purely vanity limited to a foul mouth...are beligerent in deference to discussion, and proclaim vast acerage of credability when you amount to little more than self proclaimed arrogance.

You seek to justify your own doubts and never understand why there are diapers.

As to your opinions, find a john and read up on the literature on the stalls.
Until you master an exhange based on information, and not your sense of personal entitlements, it doesn't matter if one or fifteen upon a totem pole are stacked...you are still full of manure on topic. As insult is not the final card played. And even stacked decks are called out...visit Vegas and find out for real.

blah, blah, blah, nonsense, jibberish, waste of bandwith...

But you never measure or go beyond your own stance defining a slur, and were called just on those issues, but YOU are the one taking slander beyond topical changes. But called here on that as well.

And I'll tell your lame backside why I called you out here and now...because for too long, loud mouthed 'Cowboys' fans have used a continual list of first, players, to insult and ridicule for any made up reason, and then immediate toss the same labels out on anyone not kissing up to you directly. Not this time, cry baby, to get into a lockerroom jock popping episode, one has to be first allowed into that area, and then possess enough to require the wearing of a jockey strap.

NO ONE is defined by your insults. Try actually dealing with topic, and not just your rush back into the john. As your focus, once disagreed with by myself, is nothing more than juvenile rebellion.

An adult would go to discussion of topic, and even here, that was offered unto yourself...but then again, go figure someone who insists on another tantrum.

Never talk to anyone about being 'on topic'. You're the worst example of it on this entire site.

No wonder:


Waters - $3M+ with New England
Dockery - $800,000 w/ incentives

Oh yea, and pedigree with both interior linemen. But far more wear on Waters who went to Europe before the NFL. Better check tread again...



went directly over your head.

No, it didn't. I found it so foolish as to not be worthy of response. Are we somehow supposed to feel better that the team went 'cheap' after what they paid to guys like Leonard Davis?

What sounds better, $3.5 million for a guy playing at a Pro Bowl level or $800,000 for a guy not playing at all?

I'll let the folks playing at home decide for themselves.

You think a head is what holds your ears apart.

And yours looks to be damaged beyond repair.

Alzheimer's maybe?

 

[Stash]

Not being a ******** but would the difference be that we signed kosier when we had no one basically on the line before camp and waters would have been after we saw progress and wanted to give nagy costa and arkin a shot to succeed?

Nice try but it still wouldn't explain away keeping Holland around like they did and then signing what would be an even bigger 'progress stopper' in the '3 years younger' Dockery.

If one vet is a 'progress stopper' they all are.

Can't pick and choose.

 

[Stash]

So what? Now that we've seen him play, it's clear that if the reason the FO didn't pursue Waters was that they thought he was washed up, they made a mistake. A small, relatively low-impact mistake. Big deal.

Who said it was 'smal'l or 'low impact'? To you, looking for an excuse to sweep it under the rug maybe.

So many posters on this board were howling when the major moves we made in free agency were to sign Elam and Coleman and re-sign some of our own, such as Sensabaugh. So far those decisions look like good ones.

OK, so I guess the only times we can talk about moves are when they're good ones. Got it. As long as I know what rules folks are playing by around here.

There are a lot of decisions to make around a football team. The best you can do is make an educated guess. Some of them you get right, some of them you get wrong. And, if you're smart, you judge on the whole rather than finding a nit to pick.

That's right, and I can praise great moves and still criticize bad ones. It's not an either/or situation. I don't have to love all things or hate all things. I can decide for myself and choose. And I'm not always right either.

So yeah, you got them dead to rights on this one. They guessed wrong, even though the indications they had to go on were that Waters wasn't very good in 2010. The Pats guessed right. Good for them. Guess what? The Pats also took a chance on Albert Haynesworth, trading a 5th rounder for a guy that looks like he's going to be a total waste for them.

Worse than that, Ochoconco looks like a complete flop.

I can praise the Pats for the Waters move and still criticize them on another.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

You let it go.

You can gloss over every mistake this team makes and then dare to wonder why the end results come up short.

The Cowboys had every opportunity to sign a multi-time Pro Bowler and model citizen and a player who would have been an ideal mentor for this young offensive line showing them what it takes to be a self-made NFL player.

They screwed up.

End of story.

I sure hope so.

 

[Yeagermeister]

There was never anything resembling confirmation of Waters being out of shape. In fact reality shows exactly the opposite. He was quickly ready to step right in for the Patriots after signing on Sept 4th and has done a great job since he's been there.

Or NE didn't care what shape he was in when they signed him and had no choice but to play him because of injuries.

 

[Doomsay]

Not being a ******** but would the difference be that we signed kosier when we had no one basically on the line before camp and waters would have been after we saw progress and wanted to give nagy costa and arkin a shot to succeed?

Yes, that is a good point, but it was really posed as a rhetorical question in the first place. The whole notion that this overwhelmingly green line was option A from the get-go and wouldn't have benefited from at least one more experienced FA signing, because that FA was going to hold back the development of rookie that we had to rely on by default, is kind of comical IMO.

 

[jswalker1981]

Could it possibly be that he wanted to play for a 14-2 team rather than a 6-10 team? It's not like EVERY player wants to play for us.