Broaddus/Cavanaugh: Guyton choosing not to play

[windward]

Of course it’s different if he’s injured…but that’s not exactly the implication.

But he is injured?

 

[ccb04]

But he is injured?

He was listed as questionable on the injury report with a neck issue prior to the Eagles game. How bad? Could he play? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[blueblood70]

Where did they say this? I cant find anything

they didn't that's the point.. Parcells made up his own conclusion read between the lines and Trolled us!!! its his interpretation of that they said Between the lines LOL.

 

[blueblood70]

But he is injured?

Yeah but the dudes talking about what they thought to be what could have maybe happened in college during the senior bowl but we don't even have any proof of that do you remember what happens when they spread rumors around from these college kids he's very immature young kids who may or may not have made a mistake and then what happens to him I mean we didn't draft Randy Moss because of his alleged possible domestic issues with his girlfriend and smoking weed and we just went through the problems with the White House and Michael Irvin so we took a pass on the guy that's what happens when rumors are started like he was gonna be a bad pro well yeah that hurts 'cause he was not somebody took a flyer on him but when you start spreading rumors about somebody with no real actual proof there's no official word there's no videos there's nobody hearing him say this and sometimes this is to get a guy's draft status to get dropped or it's something they're holding a grudge so they say this so maybe the guy is having a bad day at the senior bowl wasn't feeling good maybe he got frustrated at another player said something or a coach that he just wasn't gonna put up with nor should he have to nobody knows but I get tired of hearing this happens all the time....

 

[Parcells4Life]

they didn't that's the point.. Parcells made up his own conclusion read between the lines and Trolled us!!! its his interpretation of that they said Between the lines LOL.

Here’s the transcript for those that want to accuse me of reading into things:

BB: “There’s going to be some questions about Tyler Guyton. Was he healthy enough to play, did he want to play? There’s a lot of things swirling around in the air on that.

JC: What do you mean Bryan (laughs)

BB: You know exactly what I mean. You do a pregame show, you got sources. There’s always going to be questions is it hurt or are you injured? Can you play through things? That’s what it takes for some young folks to understand. I’m not alone in this. Brad Sham was talking about Guyton on our pregame show. I asked two or three people myself, and got this same vibe. It’s a learning experience for a lot of these guys. I’m not calling Tyler Guyton a coward. I’m just saying you’re in week 10 of an NFL season. You might have to fight through some things.

JC: If Brad Sham talked about it then we can do even more, because I talked to somebody. I don’t like being reckless..

BB: If you’ve got 2 or 3 people talking about it it’s not reckless.

JC: I would say there are concerns and worries going into the draft about how Tyler Guyton deals with adversity. I heard even at the Senior Bowl when he was being asked to go on a different side and it wasn’t going great, that multiple times you had to tell him ‘No, no please stay.’ And he didn’t even want to stay. But that’s just what I hear.

BB: This is a tough game, and things are going wrong for this football team.They need their young players to step up.

 

[RonnieT24]

Well for a 1st round pick you'd think they'd really check these guys out. Mazi is another example.

Don't confuse late first round picks with can't miss talent. Most drafts have only 15-20 first round graded players. Everybody else is a second rounder or later. So basically anything after pick 20 is a second round talent getting paid like a first. It is what it is. Both Mazi and Guyton were drafted in the 20's which means both were second round graded players. Not that the round grades are gospel or anything but it speaks to what the scouts saw as their talent level.

 

[Chasing6]

I understand the basic premise, but a lot of good it'd do to pick the best player WR if you're desperate for a LT!

Never should have been desperate for LT.

 

[kevm3]

McClay is the only one creating a semi watchable team unless everyone forgot about the drafts of the past. We're going to overlook Overshown, Diggs, Parsons, Bland, Tyler Smith and the host of other players who've played better than we expected?

You're not going to get nonstop 1st round all-stars all the time especially picking late in the round. The real problem is that we're constantly putting the team in a position where rookies have to play like seasoned vets from day one. McClay needs to be made the GM and then accountability will start with him and if he doesn't get it done, then his job should be at risk. The fact that the GM position is held by Jerry/Stephen means there will be zero accountability at the most important position in football. If there's no accountability at the top, there won't be any at the bottom.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Edoga returns to practice today. Should make for interesting competition.

 

[Proof]

If every player was evaluated after starting 9 games as a rookie then the 90's team wouldn't have Nate Newton or Mark Tuinei.

The 70's and 80's teams wouldn't have HOFer Randy White who wore #54 because he was designated a LB. Randy did not become a perennial Pro Bowler until he was switched to his natural position of DT.

Did you know that Tyron Smith did not play LT his rookie season? Tyron was the #9 overall pick and first O-lineman taken in the draft.

Even Jason Garrett realized that you don't protect your QB's blind side with a rookie. Tryon played his rookie season as the RT. Doug Free was the LT that season and when it was over they switched sides.

So Guyton is mentally weak because someone else claims to have better knowledge of his injury and how his body reacts. This someone has determined that Guyton should be able to play through it.

He has surmised that playing Guyton couldn't possibly complicate the injury to the point of irreparable damage. And if this someone is wrong? What repercussions will this anonymous medical expert face?

We don't have all the information and some of the information that we have been given is deeply suspect. Let's not judge yet.

great post. sensible is a rare attribute round here.

 

[Proof]

It was a "need" pick. He only had 70 snaps at LT in college. So, he had project written all over him. There were 7 or 8 OTs taken ahead of him in the first round. So, a lot of teams with a need passed on him. In a year where there weren't so many teams with a need for OT, he's probably not a first round pick. He never should have been thrown out there week 1. A smarter team would have resigned Tyron for a year and let the kid learn and get stronger.

or he went lower than he would have because there were so many really good OT's available. he's got the talent and the attributes, i think he's going to be really good. it's just a wash of a season across the board.

 

[windward]

He was listed as questionable on the injury report with a neck issue prior to the Eagles game. How bad? Could he play? Your guess is as good as mine.

I think you defer to the player in this instance.

 

[Buzzbait]

Never should have been desperate for LT.

Oh I totally agree, but it can't always be helped, sometimes it just is what it is.

 

[lostar2009]

Welp these ruff projects...

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

young rookie thrown into a dysfunctional atmosphere of epic proportions, tough environment to teach a youngster discipline and camaraderie.

Really crazy they traded down and risked losing him and then handed him the most important position as a raw rookie.

They may end up ruining his confidence forever too.

 

[Section446]

Mentally weak teams draft mentally weak players.

 

[blueblood70]

Here’s the transcript for those that want to accuse me of reading into things:

BB: “There’s going to be some questions about Tyler Guyton. Was he healthy enough to play, did he want to play? There’s a lot of things swirling around in the air on that.

JC: What do you mean Bryan (laughs)

BB: You know exactly what I mean. You do a pregame show, you got sources. There’s always going to be questions is it hurt or are you injured? Can you play through things? That’s what it takes for some young folks to understand. I’m not alone in this. Brad Sham was talking about Guyton on our pregame show. I asked two or three people myself, and got this same vibe. It’s a learning experience for a lot of these guys. I’m not calling Tyler Guyton a coward. I’m just saying you’re in week 10 of an NFL season. You might have to fight through some things.

JC: If Brad Sham talked about it then we can do even more, because I talked to somebody. I don’t like being reckless..

BB: If you’ve got 2 or 3 people talking about it it’s not reckless.

JC: I would say there are concerns and worries going into the draft about how Tyler Guyton deals with adversity. I heard even at the Senior Bowl when he was being asked to go on a different side and it wasn’t going great, that multiple times you had to tell him ‘No, no please stay.’ And he didn’t even want to stay. But that’s just what I hear.

BB: This is a tough game, and things are going wrong for this football team.They need their young players to step up.

I don't need your transcript literally listen to it twice other people think the way I think when you're inferring you're actually creating your own idea of what they meant you're reading between the lines there was a question mark did he wanna play lot of things swirling around the air you know what that means rumor straight up rumor mill bro this isn't the Kardashians this is sports we deal in facts we don't deal in feelings they were giving their feeling on what they thought might be going on with him might the word MIGHT=RUMOR.. Again it's a damn opinion and lots of people read something and then decide what they feel that they meant there was no facts in there whatsoever none 0 a friend of a friend told a friend that's probably what he heard when they're talking about the media they may have heard it they not sure 'cause it's unsubstantiated it's called straight up rumor garbage rumor garbage sorry man rumor rumor rumor equals doesn't belong here but hey that's how you feel I haven't seen it from the day he came in here he seems to work hard and have a good attitude he is injured in fact he has a neck injury whatever happened at the senior bowl I can really give a flip.. Yeah we hear this about players all the time we heard about Randy Moss and now this damn thing happened in the NFL that was rumored that randy moss might have issues.. It kept us from drafting the guy that's what happens with rumors it's dangerous it's irresponsible and reckless at times.

 

[blueblood70]

Don't confuse late first round picks with can't miss talent. Most drafts have only 15-20 first round graded players. Everybody else is a second rounder or later. So basically anything after pick 20 is a second round talent getting paid like a first. It is what it is. Both Mazi and Guyton were drafted in the 20's which means both were second round graded players. Not that the round grades are gospel or anything but it speaks to what the scouts saw as their talent level.

Right but why are we assuming halfway through a man's rookie season playing the hardest position on the field to play and a lot of people's opinion, already claiming this guy is a bust or potential bust alert are you kidding me I saw what I saw he can play he just needs to clean it up but the switch from right tackle the left tackle that's even more difficult and that's on the coaching staff that's on the offensive line coach which I think is the worst one in the league right now the offensive coordinator which I believe is bottom 10 in the league right now head coach which I believe is in the bottom 15 in the league right now this group of players has the unfair disadvantage of not having a good coaching staff I mean if anything else needs to be judged it starts there this is systemic problem it's the system it's the scheme not fitting the players they literally are running the same crap out weekly and we're getting tired of it as fans and we're not even professionals and we can see that Mike McCarthy's offense is terrible I mean it's the most basic vanilla crap I've ever seen you have too many routes being run in the same area people are not getting open in the run game they're not properly using the running backs skill set with the proper scheme they're they're giving everybody hey you run our system you go out and do it or else...

There's been no adjustments since the first part of the season before the bye week remember last year we was talking about well it was year one of Mr. WCO and that it would grow and expand in year 2 and instead we came out just as vanilla just as stagnant just as easy to read just as conservative as the first half of last year the first half of this year the problem is this year after the bye week they made no changes they used the wrong running back because Rico dado should have been used from day one as the starting running back here in my opinion he was better suited for the way they used Tony Pollard last year and Tony should have been used different last year this is systemic problem we didn't need a running back by committee as much as people thought Rico is one of the highest rated offensive players on our team this year and he was not used enough nowhere near enough...

So a bunch of our rookies and 2nd year players people are having doubts about them they might wanna look at the coaching staff first 'cause I watch a lot of other like really good teams like the 49ers and it seems like there's very little drop off their backup seems to be ready some guys stop at running back and wide receiver are dropping 100 yard games that's the system and yes the better players will even explode more in that system and have career years but when they can have little drop off to their backups that is a clear indication of a very good coach team...

You see this with the schemes with the lions there seems to be a lot of teams even not the ones we watch everyday that have guys open they get rid of the ball quicker because guys are getting open quicker they don't have a bunch of dudes running route trees in the same place they don't decide to give their running backs who had a great game against Pittsburgh only 6 carries before halftime in the next game I mean this is a systemic problem people and by the way it's still really dumb just start judging a rookie left tackle who was a right tackle in college for very little who's shown flashes that he could be good and he's physically really good it already put the bust alert on the kid this place is insane!!

 

[gtb1943]

so has there been anything else except for Broadus? if not, I think its safe to say that its a typical gossip rumor and worthless.

 

[Davidlee1973]

I really like where we are right now as a franchise.

Jerry is that you