Broaddus: Too many teams covet OL for one to fall to the Cowboys w/audio

[Blue Eyed Devil]

I will be stunned if Warmack makes it out of top 12.

That would make him the first guard to be drafted in the top 12 since 1997. I'm going to go with history here and say he won't.

 

[TwentyOne]

Tony Romo threw for 4200 yards and had a passer rating of 102.5 that season and we were in the top third of the league offensively. And total points scored are total team points.

As he said winning starts in the treches. Those passing stats are missleading.

Romo only threw for so many yards because we had to. We had no running game and often played from behind. The only thing that worked were open sets with Romo passing all day in a 4 minute offene. Thats not the way you win games on a constant basis nor winning games in the playoffs.

We dont have enough personal to play the 4-3. We need 2 more DL payers. And our DL right now isnt good. Our OL sucks. We need a DT bad and i think we will draft one high. We need 1 guard and a RT at least. Another DE also.

We do not need skill player. We made this mistake over and over again. We go for the fancy pick instead of building a foundation.

 

[Blue Eyed Devil]

As he said winning starts in the treches. Those passing stats are missleading.

More than that they're just unimportant. You can have all the QB rating you want, if your total yardage, total points, and win/loss are average guess what? Your offense is average!

Talking about a QB rating when your offense is #11 in yards and #15 is like looking at this house and saying "Wow that 2nd floor bedroom on the right with the big white windows is absolutely gorgeous!"

http://alloveralbany.com/images/madison_rowhouse_collapse4.jpg

 

[Idgit]

As he said winning starts in the treches. Those passing stats are missleading.

Romo only threw for so many yards because we had to. We had no running game and often played from behind. The only thing that worked were open sets with Romo passing all day in a 4 minute offene. Thats not the way you win games on a constant basis nor winning games in the playoffs.

We dont have enough personal to play the 4-3. We need 2 more DL payers. And our DL right now isnt good. Our OL sucks. We need a DT bad and i think we will draft one high. We need 1 guard and a RT at least. Another DE also.

We do not need skill player. We made this mistake over and over again. We go for the fancy pick instead of building a foundation.

More than that they're just unimportant. You can have all the QB rating you want, if your total yardage, total points, and win/loss are average guess what? Your offense is average!

Talking about a QB rating when your offense is #11 in yards and #15 is like looking at this house and saying "Wow that 2nd floor bedroom on the right with the big white windows is absolutely gorgeous!"

http://alloveralbany.com/images/madison_rowhouse_collapse4.jpg

The 'winning starts in the trenches' stuff sounds great. But it doesn't have the benefit of being true. Passing effectively. Stopping the pass. This is what wins.

The total points thing is tied to possessions, which is tied to turnovers and defensive and ST scores, which is why these things all correlate so strongly with winning.

But none of that changes the point that keeps getting missed. Nobody in the thread is saying don't address the OL or the DL. You guys keep intentionally misinterpreting my saying that taking a good player at another position does not hurt our team, because you're trying to narrow down the options for improving the OL or the DL down to that first pick. And, no matter how many of you say it, or how often, or with what metaphorical pictures, it just isn't a true statement.

 

[WoodysGirl]

The 'winning starts in the trenches' stuff sounds great. But it doesn't have the benefit of being true. Passing effectively. Stopping the pass. This is what wins.

The total points thing is tied to possessions, which is tied to turnovers and defensive and ST scores, which is why these things all correlate so strongly with winning.

But none of that changes the point that keeps getting missed. Nobody in the thread is saying don't address the OL or the DL. You guys keep intentionally misinterpreting my saying that taking a good player at another position does not hurt our team, because you're trying to narrow down the options for improving the OL or the DL down to that first pick. And, no matter how many of you say it, or how often, or with what metaphorical pictures, it just isn't a true statement.

The issue is most people are OL or bust, not accepting that the team isn't good enough to dial in on a player or position so much that they ignore other positions or players in the process.

 

[Dhragon]

The issue is most people are OL or bust, not accepting that the team isn't good enough to dial in on a player or position so much that they ignore other positions or players in the process.

I'm not really seeing people say OL in first round or bust IF Cooper/Warmack and all the good OTs are off the board at 18. Just that if one of them are still on the board, it really should be that player or bust. Any of the top 3 OTs (maybe can include Fluker) and the top 2 OGs would NOT be a reach at 18 and would help at not only a need position but at a critical need position.

I'd be more than okay with a DT, Safety, etc at 18 if none of the big OL are there. But I'll be ticked off if a non-OL is taken if we get lucky and can get that top Lineman.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm not really seeing people say OL in first round or bust IF Cooper/Warmack and all the good OTs are off the board at 18. Just that if one of them are still on the board, it really should be that player or bust. Any of the top 3 OTs (maybe can include Fluker) and the top 2 OGs would NOT be a reach at 18 and would help at not only a need position but at a critical need position.

I'd be more than okay with a DT, Safety, etc at 18 if none of the big OL are there. But I'll be ticked off if a non-OL is taken if we get lucky and can get that top Lineman.

While I understand your caveat, to me, that sounds the same as OL or bust.. If they don't address OL in the first round, there are going to be some upset people.

I think people need to be prepared that there's a good chance they don't go OL and it won't be because the top guys aren't there. It won't mean they won't address the OL, but it may not be in the 1st round.

 

[TheCount]

While I understand your caveat, to me, that sounds the same as OL or bust.. If they don't address OL in the first round, there are going to be some upset people.

I think people need to be prepared that there's a good chance they don't go OL and it won't be because the top guys aren't there. It won't mean they won't address the OL, but it may not be in the 1st round.

I think people would probably be a lot cooler with that reality if the team had any sort of track record with evaluating less-than-obvious talents on the oline.

It's not that outlandish that people don't trust the team to find an offensive other than the ones with big neon arrows pointing at them.

Personally, I've been pro offensive line early for years and years at this point but there are a number of players I'd be very happy with in the 1st this year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

While I understand your caveat, to me, that sounds the same as OL or bust.. If they don't address OL in the first round, there are going to be some upset people.

I think people need to be prepared that there's a good chance they don't go OL and it won't be because the top guys aren't there. It won't mean they won't address the OL, but it may not be in the 1st round.

This is one of the negatives of the current draft format. When the pet position is not selected then Thursday night and Friday just suck around here unless we get an obvious steal.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Both Cooper and Warmack will be available I believe...

 

[DFWJC]

Both Cooper and Warmack will be available I believe...

Both?
I'll take that bet

 

[NeonNinja]

This is one of the negatives of the current draft format. When the pet position is not selected then Thursday night and Friday just suck around here unless we get an obvious steal.

Exactly.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

While I understand your caveat, to me, that sounds the same as OL or bust.. If they don't address OL in the first round, there are going to be some upset people.

I think people need to be prepared that there's a good chance they don't go OL and it won't be because the top guys aren't there. It won't mean they won't address the OL, but it may not be in the 1st round.

Very good point. I'm in the more qualified 'Trenches or Bust' group with a preference for OL but know they could go in any direction.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I will say this without reservations. If Cooper is there and they pass on him, I will be POed.

 

[IrishAnto]

As for bolstering the OL with high picks in the last 20 years, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Larry Allen, maybe? Though he was the 46th player taken overall and the 10th OL taken in that draft, which pretty much makes my point. Tyron Smith? Jury's still out on Tyron, though I agree he looks hopeful. Andre Gurode? Good player, but another second rounder. Just about every other good OL we've had during that time was a mid-to-lower round pick, or a VFA signing.

You did miss out on Flozell Adams, however I think his point is not the amount of 1st/2nd round picks but the fact that practically nobody outside these rounds has amounted to anything for any length of time.

As for good veteran free agents only Kosier and Colombo were really decent players. Davis was paid a lot of money for one decent year and regressed every year there after. Outside of them I can’t readily think of another good/decent free agent in the last 10-15 years.

I don’t agree in forcing a pick; however my concern is that if we don’t get OL help in the first round then the chances that somebody we like in the second getting picked before we get a chance to turn his card in are quite high and then what?

This years Robert Brewster!!!

If one of the so called top 5 OL are available for us at 18 and we pass, I for one will be most unhappy.

In addition if we don’t get at least one OL in the first two rounds then I don’t see any reason (apart form luck) that we’ll get anybody worth much in the later rounds.

 

[Idgit]

You did miss out on Flozell Adams, however I think his point is not the amount of 1st/2nd round picks but the fact that practically nobody outside these rounds has amounted to anything for any length of time.

As for good veteran free agents only Kosier and Colombo were really decent players. Davis was paid a lot of money for one decent year and regressed every year there after. Outside of them I can’t readily think of another good/decent free agent in the last 10-15 years.

I don’t agree in forcing a pick; however my concern is that if we don’t get OL help in the first round then the chances that somebody we like in the second getting picked before we get a chance to turn his card in are quite high and then what?

This years Robert Brewster!!!

If one of the so called top 5 OL are available for us at 18 and we pass, I for one will be most unhappy.

In addition if we don’t get at least one OL in the first two rounds then I don’t see any reason (apart form luck) that we’ll get anybody worth much in the later rounds.

Ah, you're right. I forgot about Flozell. Another good second rounder.

I don't think you and I are saying anything all that different. Don't force the pick in the first if the best OTs are gone. Don't force OG in the first if the only two guys worthy of the 18 are gone. Go BPA instead, and try to get in position to get your OL in the second because after that it's going to be tough sledding finding anyone who'd represent an actual upgrade this season.

 

[IrishAnto]

and try to get in position to get your OL in the second because after that it's going to be tough sledding finding anyone who'd represent an actual upgrade this season.

This to me is key.

Have we learned our lessons from 2009 or is Romo’s medical insurance premium about to go up again?

 

[xwalker]

I will say this without reservations. If Cooper is there and they pass on him, I will be POed.

Agree. There are very few players in this draft that are better for the Cowboys than Cooper.

 

[TwentyOne]

The 'winning starts in the trenches' stuff sounds great. But it doesn't have the benefit of being true. Passing effectively. Stopping the pass. This is what wins.

The total points thing is tied to possessions, which is tied to turnovers and defensive and ST scores, which is why these things all correlate so strongly with winning.

But none of that changes the point that keeps getting missed. Nobody in the thread is saying don't address the OL or the DL. You guys keep intentionally misinterpreting my saying that taking a good player at another position does not hurt our team, because you're trying to narrow down the options for improving the OL or the DL down to that first pick. And, no matter how many of you say it, or how often, or with what metaphorical pictures, it just isn't a true statement.

As i wrote winning starts in the trenches. If you want to deny it that's your right but doesn't change the fact. If you dont believe me look at teams that have winning records year in year out. Look back in time at teams like Green Bay when Brett Favre was in his prime.

There is always the missconception that you can't have enough skill players. But the opposite is true. A great OL and a good QB makes up for great skill players. And most of all saves the team alot of money.

And oposite to your opinion Ratliff wont be a beast as the 3 tech. And that doesn't have anything to do with his health status. Maybe 2 years ago he would have been a good fit but not anymore.

We need at least 2 DL picks and 2 OL picks (or 1 FA). Forget about skill players - we have enough of them. You can draft a skill player when you have the important position set, which we don't.

 

[CIWhitefish]

Ah, you're right. I forgot about Flozell. Another good second rounder.

I don't think you and I are saying anything all that different. Don't force the pick in the first if the best OTs are gone. Don't force OG in the first if the only two guys worthy of the 18 are gone. Go BPA instead, and try to get in position to get your OL in the second because after that it's going to be tough sledding finding anyone who'd represent an actual upgrade this season.

This for sure. You can't go chasing needs because that's when you reach.