Broaddus tweet on Arkin

[Supercowboy1986]

Yes, over-training is a real concern. I think we're just starting to get our hands around it. The body needs rest time to repair before it gets bigger and/or stronger, and everyone is different. The thing is you draft some small school guy and think he's just going to "catch up" with his peers who played 4-5 at a NFL minor league farm team like like Alabama after one or two NFL off-seasons, but the body doesn't always react the way you want it to. Probably the reason why Nate Newton didn't begin to flourish until he was nearly 30.

This. Nice post. But according to most posters the closer to 30 arkin is the less desired he will become on cz

 

[Angus12]

Gurode.

He said AFTER the 2nd round. Gurode was taken 37th overall.

 

[AbeBeta]

And the harm in giving him another camp and preseason is?

It would be stupid to not give him a look again

 

[Cover 2]

And the harm in giving him another camp and preseason is?

It would be stupid to not give him a look again

Agreed.

I don't see him panning out, but there is nothing wrong with giving him a shot to turn it around. If he does, then great. If not then just cut him.

 

[Mavericks88]

This is a sad situation. These guys should all be an afterthought. Hopefully we address this during the draft out of NEED.

 

[Zordon]

Who is David Arkin?

 

[Hoofbite]

Take him to camp. Hell, take as many OL to camp as they can. Eventually one has to shake out somewhere.

 

[burmafrd]

Gurode.





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You forgot Gurode was a 2nd rd pick

 

[burmafrd]

I think the biggest problem as far as weight training was that the players were locked out (/) and couldn't work with Woicik. Hopefully he is catching up this time.

love how that excuse keeps getting used. 3 months and the world is never the same. BS. He has had plenty of time since then.

 

[Tobal]

Another thing is you don't know how hard he is going to work in the weight room. You can have the greatest facilities and the best trainer, but lifting like these guys lift is just a step up. I've known a couple of guys that went to big time programs and played a few seasons. These guys lived in the weight room. Summer at 6AM, might take Christmas off...

I don't know Arkin, but maybe it's just more work than he was/is ready for to get his body ready for the pro game.

 

[Floatyworm]

The Ogletree of linemen.

No kidding...you got that right

Hated the pick during the draft.....And came out just like I thought.

Ranks right there w/ Isaiah Stanback

 

[SMCowboy]

The Ogletree of linemen.

It takes 3 years to fully judge someone. The issue with Ogletree, was even after being given three years to prove he was incapable of being relied upon, he was brought back for a 4th year to be the lead guy for the #3 WR job.

Arkin, is just now going into his 3rd year, bringing a guy from a small school into a 3rd camp, especially when his only issue is can he get strong enough is far another Ogletree.....

 

[Zimmy Lives]

It takes 3 years to fully judge someone. The issue with Ogletree, was even after being given three years to prove he was incapable of being relied upon, he was brought back for a 4th year to be the lead guy for the #3 WR job.

Arkin, is just now going into his 3rd year, bringing a guy from a small school into a 3rd camp, especially when his only issue is can he get strong enough is far another Ogletree.....

Agree. NFL history has shown us that small school o-linemen can take several years to develop and some have turned into All-Pro players. Arkin may be a scrub but at least give him time to improve physically before giving up on him.

 

[AsthmaField]

I work out but I am far from a kenesiologist so I was wondering if anyone had a take on that from an advanced perspective. If he indeed went into shock from training too hard does that mean he has topped out in how hard he can work or is it like other things where you can continue to get better at it?

Well, I'm certainly not a kineseologist, but I did work in a hardcore meathead gym for almost 10 years, and one thing that i did notice is that there were some guys who were very big guys (not really muscularity wise but just big) who would come in there and simply weren't very strong. They would train for a long time and improve their strength, but they were never, ever going to be strong for their size. None of then ever got close to NFL strong no matter how hard or long they trained.

It was baffling to me because at 5-11 and about 195 lbs, I could do more weight than some of them who were 100 pounds heavier than me. There were some big guys who were really, really strong too and they could do proportionately more weight than me... like logic would dictate, but there were always a few who just weren't strong at all.

I did read an article somewhere that people use different percentages of their muscles and it varies from person to person. It said that two guys could get down on a bench and do their max, and one guy might be using 90% of all the muscle fibers in his triceps, chest, and shoulders, while the other guy is only using 70% of his muscle fibers.

Both would be pushing as hard as they could and be giving full effort... but one is using much more of his muscles than the other.

Strange, I know... but that's what it said.

So, for a while now I've been wondering if Arkin isn't simply one of those big guys who simply isn't and will never be very strong (for a lineman). Maybe he's a guy who has a smaller percentage of his fibers in play when he is giving 100% effort.

Who knows? He needs to have this offseason and training camp to show what he can do... and if he can't make it then maybe he simply isn't cut out for professional football.

 

[burmafrd]

Well, I'm certainly not a kineseologist, but I did work in a hardcore meathead gym for almost 10 years, and one thing that i did notice is that there were some guys who were very big guys (not really muscularity wise but just big) who would come in there and simply weren't very strong. They would train for a long time and improve their strength, but they were never, ever going to be strong for their size. None of then ever got close to NFL strong no matter how hard or long they trained.

It was baffling to me because at 5-11 and about 195 lbs, I could do more weight than some of them who were 100 pounds heavier than me. There were some big guys who were really, really strong too and they could do proportionately more weight than me... like logic would dictate, but there were always a few who just weren't strong at all.

I did read an article somewhere that people use different percentages of their muscles and it varies from person to person. It said that two guys could get down on a bench and do their max, and one guy might be using 90% of all the muscle fibers in his triceps, chest, and shoulders, while the other guy is only using 70% of his muscle fibers.

Both would be pushing as hard as they could and be giving full effort... but one is using much more of his muscles than the other.

Strange, I know... but that's what it said.

So, for a while now I've been wondering if Arkin isn't simply one of those big guys who simply isn't and will never be very strong (for a lineman). Maybe he's a guy who has a smaller percentage of his fibers in play when he is giving 100% effort.

Who knows? He needs to have this offseason and training camp to show what he can do... and if he can't make it then maybe he simply isn't cut out for professional football.

too many buy into the blind mantra that you can always gain weight and strength without losing something; and that a year or two in a NFL weight room cures all ills.

 

[conner01]

Well, I'm certainly not a kineseologist, but I did work in a hardcore meathead gym for almost 10 years, and one thing that i did notice is that there were some guys who were very big guys (not really muscularity wise but just big) who would come in there and simply weren't very strong. They would train for a long time and improve their strength, but they were never, ever going to be strong for their size. None of then ever got close to NFL strong no matter how hard or long they trained.

It was baffling to me because at 5-11 and about 195 lbs, I could do more weight than some of them who were 100 pounds heavier than me. There were some big guys who were really, really strong too and they could do proportionately more weight than me... like logic would dictate, but there were always a few who just weren't strong at all.

I did read an article somewhere that people use different percentages of their muscles and it varies from person to person. It said that two guys could get down on a bench and do their max, and one guy might be using 90% of all the muscle fibers in his triceps, chest, and shoulders, while the other guy is only using 70% of his muscle fibers.

Both would be pushing as hard as they could and be giving full effort... but one is using much more of his muscles than the other.

Strange, I know... but that's what it said.

So, for a while now I've been wondering if Arkin isn't simply one of those big guys who simply isn't and will never be very strong (for a lineman). Maybe he's a guy who has a smaller percentage of his fibers in play when he is giving 100% effort.

Who knows? He needs to have this offseason and training camp to show what he can do... and if he can't make it then maybe he simply isn't cut out for professional football.

he did 25 reps. i suspect strength is not the only problem with his game. the position is about more than just strength. you have to have good technique, be smart and play with leverage

 

[CyberB0b]

It takes 3 years to fully judge someone.

I don't think that is the case anymore. You have NFL caliber offenses and defenses being run in high school, as well as world class training facilities in some high schools. There are more and more NFL ready guys coming out every year. The idea that it takes someone 3 years to get acclimated in today's NFL is a myth.

 

[AbeBeta]

he did 25 reps. i suspect strength is not the only problem with his game. the position is about more than just strength. you have to have good technique, be smart and play with leverage

He is smart - that's why the team likes him. In college he had a rep for playing with a mean streak. Of course, given where he played, that meant he was beating up 210 LB defensive tackles from good homes.

 

[xwalker]

We really have no idea how Arkin will look in training camp this year.

Everybody knew he wouldn't be ready in his 1st year.

In his 2nd training camp, he was forced into action at Center with zero prior experience at the position. That basically eliminated his chance to challenge for a spot at Guard.

Once the Cowboys signed Dockery, it would have been highly out of character for them to not have the veteran as the game day active player.

I'm not holding my breath that Arkin can contribute; however, we just have not seen enough to prove that he can or can't play.

The fact that Callahan is trying to implement a Zone Blocking Scheme should be in Arkin's favor.

 

[AsthmaField]

He is smart - that's why the team likes him. In college he had a rep for playing with a mean streak. Of course, given where he played, that meant he was beating up 210 LB defensive tackles from good homes.

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