Broaddus tweet on Arkin

[SMCowboy]

I don't think that is the case anymore. You have NFL caliber offenses and defenses being run in high school, as well as world class training facilities in some high schools. There are more and more NFL ready guys coming out every year. The idea that it takes someone 3 years to get acclimated in today's NFL is a myth.

It certainly doesn't take everyone 3 years to adjust. But when you are dealing with a small school prospect that rule absolutely still does apply.

 

[erod]

It takes 3 years to fully judge someone. The issue with Ogletree, was even after being given three years to prove he was incapable of being relied upon, he was brought back for a 4th year to be the lead guy for the #3 WR job.

Arkin, is just now going into his 3rd year, bringing a guy from a small school into a 3rd camp, especially when his only issue is can he get strong enough is far another Ogletree.....

This is a bad comparison.

Ogletree was a relative success, given that he was an undrafted free agent.

Arkin was a 4th round draft pick expected to contribute.

 

[jterrell]

have we developed ANY O linemen drafted after the second round this century? I guess one could say Free.....

free, pat mcquistan tho arguably he developed elsewhere.
matt lehr.

not enough.
but if you dont try you got no shot.

we have a different strength coach and different ol now so not much correlation really between 2005 and now.

 

[jterrell]

he did 25 reps. i suspect strength is not the only problem with his game. the position is about more than just strength. you have to have good technique, be smart and play with leverage

25 reps means almost nothing.

regardless of what anyone tells you bench press is a perfectly terrible measure of nfl strength. it is a measure of one exercise that anyone can train in and improve dramatically upon. it is also large based on genetics. shorter armed guys with barrel chests can rock it.

i can't do 25 reps currently but i could no more than 2 years ago and all at under 210 pounds. but any nfl DL would have ran me over like an empty soda can.

talk to me about arkin's squat numbers. that will determine far more.

end of the day we knew he hadn't ever been in a quality gym and lacked strength. he was a scrappy attitude guy that scouts loved. last year we had the most awesome lockout which kept him out of the cowboys facilities....

so he has one last shot and hopefully he used this off-season to add real strength and not just pad his bench press numbers.

 

[burmafrd]

free, pat mcquistan tho arguably he developed elsewhere.
matt lehr.

not enough.
but if you dont try you got no shot.

we have a different strength coach and different ol now so not much correlation really between 2005 and now.

if you use McQuistan as a measure that is a really low bar. By develope I mean a good solid starter that will play for you for years. McQ does not even come close to that. Lehr, doubtful as well.

 

[burmafrd]

25 reps means almost nothing.

regardless of what anyone tells you bench press is a perfectly terrible measure of nfl strength. it is a measure of one exercise that anyone can train in and improve dramatically upon. it is also large based on genetics. shorter armed guys with barrel chests can rock it.

i can't do 25 reps currently but i could no more than 2 years ago and all at under 210 pounds. but any nfl DL would have ran me over like an empty soda can.

talk to me about arkin's squat numbers. that will determine far more.

end of the day we knew he hadn't ever been in a quality gym and lacked strength. he was a scrappy attitude guy that scouts loved. last year we had the most awesome lockout which kept him out of the cowboys facilities....

so he has one last shot and hopefully he used this off-season to add real strength and not just pad his bench press numbers.

the lockout was TWO YEARS AGO. no reason to keep using that excuse.

 

[Primetime42]

To all this "small school" nonsense I say "Central State" and "Sonoma State".

Either you show something or you don't. Arkin should get one more chance to do that, if not, make him among the first wave of cuts and give someone else a shot.

 

[speedkilz88]

(on talkin cowboys) Mickey said that he talked to some defensive guys and they told him that Leary has the athletic ability to be really something (Broaddus said no doubt) and that he is a guy that can start this year. He just needed some refinement last season. Mickey ended that with we'll have to see about that.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm glad Broaddus is finally coming around to Arkin. In my opinion, the fans soon will be too. He has a lot to offer and seems to get how to play the oline. He just needs to beef up and I think by the time next year rolls around, he'll do that. People down on Arkin don't seem to get it can take a while to get to the NFL level. I disagreed with Broaddus last year about Arkin, so it's encouraging to me to see him coming around.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'm glad Broaddus is finally coming around to Arkin. In my opinion, the fans soon will be too. He has a lot to offer and seems to get how to play the oline. He just needs to beef up and I think by the time next year rolls around, he'll do that. People down on Arkin don't seem to get it can take a while to get to the NFL level. I disagreed with Broaddus last year about Arkin, so it's encouraging to me to see him coming around.

He actually means he was wrong about him being able to play. He liked him when he was drafted. That said he may end up being wrong twice if Arkin gains the need strength because he's given up way too early on the kid.

 

[burmafrd]

if you cannot get strong enough in 2 years you never will.

People keep trying to bring up the lockout but that was ONLY FOUR MONTHS. TWO YEARS AGO.

If he cannot show something in this camp HE SHOULD BE GONE.

 

[jjktkk]

if you cannot get strong enough in 2 years you never will.

People keep trying to bring up the lockout but that was ONLY FOUR MONTHS. TWO YEARS AGO.

If he cannot show something in this camp HE SHOULD BE GONE.

Alright Burmy, here comes your kryptonite, show me the stats where a NFL player only has 2 years to get strong enough to play in the NFL. This is insane. Why are you so adamant about not letting Arkin get a chance to make the team in year 3?

 

[AsthmaField]

Alright Burmy, here comes your kryptonite, show me the stats where a NFL player only has 2 years to get strong enough to play in the NFL. This is insane. Why are you so adamant about not letting Arkin get a chance to make the team in year 3?

He is saying to give him a chance in this camp (year 3), but if he still shows that he can't anchor against NFL DT's, he needs to go and not take up a roster spot.

At least that's the way I read it.

 

[burmafrd]

Alright Burmy, here comes your kryptonite, show me the stats where a NFL player only has 2 years to get strong enough to play in the NFL. This is insane. Why are you so adamant about not letting Arkin get a chance to make the team in year 3?

to start with you would not know Kryptonite if it fell on you tecckie


and if you think that a player needs 3 years to get stronger then you really need to think on that.


This camp is his last chance.


not surprised you think we can keep JAGS around forever. You are probably a closet skin fan

 

[jjktkk]

to start with you would not know Kryptonite if it fell on you tecckie


and if you think that a player needs 3 years to get stronger then you really need to think on that.


This camp is his last chance.


not surprised you think we can keep JAGS around forever. You are probably a closet skin fan

Exactly. So why didn't you say this in your previous post. Lol, tecckie? What is a tecckie? And if you truly are a longtime Cowboy fan, you should be able to remember Tom Landry's 3 year rule on developing players.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why not bring him to camp? What's the downside?

I agree. It is one thing being 1 of 80 player brought to camp and another being part of the 53 man roster. All this means to me is Arkin will have to really bust his rear end if he hopes to make the final cut and I see no down side to that.

 

[burmafrd]

Exactly. So why didn't you say this in your previous post. Lol, tecckie? What is a tecckie? And if you truly are a longtime Cowboy fan, you should be able to remember Tom Landry's 3 year rule on developing players.

you are a teckie.


I said earlier on that this camp should be his last chance. Not my fault you don't bother to read the thread


If he cannot show something in this camp HE SHOULD BE GONE-is what I posted earlier


but then no surprise

 

[Fredd]

who cares if he is brought in to camp? I could be brought into camp as a 50-year old with bad knees...doesn't guarantee me a spot on the team...

the negativity of some in here astounds me...there is ZERO risk to having him in camp so kick the tires and toss him to the side if he can't cut it...but, if he improves???? you never know....

 

[Doomsday101]

who cares if he is brought in to camp? I could be brought into camp as a 50-year old with bad knees...doesn't guarantee me a spot on the team...

the negativity of some in here astounds me...there is ZERO risk to having him in camp so kick the tires and toss him to the side if he can't cut it...but, if he improves???? you never know....

No kidding, Nate Newton was cut by the Commanders his rookie year, went off to the USFL came to Dallas and struggled then became part of one of the top OL in NFL history. I'm not saying Arkin will or will not make it but year 3 and having him to come to camp is not a big deal. He clearly has to show improvment if he expects a spot on the 53 man roster

 

[InmanRoshi]

To all this "small school" nonsense I say "Central State" and "Sonoma State".

Either you show something or you don't.

And Florida A&M. Nate Newton didn't become non-trainwreck until he was in his mid-late 20s. Lots of small school offensive linemen bounced around the waiver wire and played in the World League until they emerged in the mid-20s. Some like Erik Williams picked it up right away. Everyone's bodies are different. When you reach a state of overtraining your cortisol levels explode and send you free testosterone plummeting.