Broaddus tweet re Leary

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Warford would have saved the panic that was going on before the Waters signing and he provided a long term answer instead if a one year filler. It was simply another missed opportunity missed to fix the line once and for all.

Not everybody was panicking before the Waters signing, and those who were weren't going to stop over a little thing like drafting Warford. It didn't take long for additional panic to muster over the DL, for example. Over the offense, in general, until that was proven unnecessary. Now it's moved on to the running backs.

Much better for the team to stick to its guns and to draft the players it thinks best in the positions where it perceives the need to be greatest. We've addressed the interior protection, the takeaway problem, the red zone offensive problems and, maybe if we're lucky, we're starting to see some better Safety play. Pretty soon, if everything goes well, there will be nothing to complain about. Other than the salary cap.
 

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Not everybody was panicking before the Waters signing, and those who were weren't going to stop over a little thing like drafting Warford. It didn't take long for additional panic to muster over the DL, for example. Over the offense, in general, until that was proven unnecessary. Now it's moved on to the running backs.

Much better for the team to stick to its guns and to draft the players it thinks best in the positions where it perceives the need to be greatest. We've addressed the interior protection, the takeaway problem, the red zone offensive problems and, maybe if we're lucky, we're starting to see some better Safety play. Pretty soon, if everything goes well, there will be nothing to complain about. Other than the salary cap.

I am sure that Bernadeau starting on the line didn't concern you . You was happy with the starting line from last year. I disagree that a backup TE is more important than a starting guard . I am sure Romo disagrees with you as well.
 

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To be fair, there were many who wanted another O lineman with the next pick, whether it was Warford or whoever. Escobar was a wasted pick with what was still out there and less of a need. Gavin may turn out to be really good but for this season, it was a wasted pick. OL/DL made more sense at the time.

yes but there is more to football then one season
 

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I am sure that Bernadeau starting on the line didn't concern you . You was happy with the starting line from last year. I disagree that a backup TE is more important than a starting guard . I am sure Romo disagrees with you as well.

The new TE alignments make the two TE sets very important. however I was surprised we drafted a TE in the second
 

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Broaddus said on talking cowboys yesterday this was just a rest day and they know his knee will be sore from time to time.
 

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Between Leary's degenerative knee condition and Waters being on a 1 year deal, I think our main focus should be drafting a guard & some DL help.

A lot of people will agree with that. I do wonder if there is a chance on Waters returning.
 

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Who then didn't take him in the 2nd round either?

You do realize that Witten's rookie year, at 7 games, he had seven receptions for about 80 yards, and no touchdowns, right?

for every witten there are two david lafleurs. has escobar shown you anything to make you feel comfortable enough to bring up that witten comparison?
 

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You are correct that I did not back up my opinion re: the likely future performance of Gavin Escobar. It's kind of the point of my statement that we're going to have to wait and see. The reason being, as I explicitly said, TEs typically need a season or two to develop, and it was stated on draft day that this was a player who was going to have to develop both strength and blocking to play well in this league.

As for Warford, complaining about passing on him in the second when we'd taken and interior OL in the first, had a player we liked on board already, and later added a veteran off the street who turned out to be a nice addition is, I'm sorry, fretting over nothing. We obviously prioritized fixing the red zone offensive problems over stock piling an additional OG using a premium pick at a position that it has been repeatedly demonstrated can be filled from the middle rounds or lower. It would have been dumb to spend premium resources at an OG there, and complaining about not doing it is pointless.

We had a good draft. We've got good OG play right now. We've got a swing backup who can also play C for us on game day. We can develop another quality OG at marginal cost starting this offseason and not set ourselves back. It doesn't matter how much you may have wanted Warford to begin with, or how many mock drafts you put him in. It doesn't matter all that much how well he's playing. Other teams are going to draft players who play well in their systems, too. It's spontaneous fretting because there's no reason for it, and it only cropped up because of a random tweet that's just brought about by all this Guard-fretting that's gone on this entire last season when the problem with the team was never really with the OG play to begin with.

jordan reed and joseph fauria don't look like they need a year to develop.

ok that was a cheap shot but my point is you have a long-term need at guard. the cowboys were either going to need to draft one in 2013 or 2014. why not get the immediate contributor in 2013? warford was being described as a plug and play day 1 starter due to his size. do you see the cowboys as a team that has the luxury to wait on players? i don't. not with this cap. not with the aging players at key positions. they are not the niners who have dozens of picks and a plethora of young talent, so they can afford to stash away guys who will need a year like carradine and lattimore. we need immediate contributors. i am very happy to see guys like frederick, t-will, wilcox, randle, and holloman contribute EARLY. this has been one of my biggest complaints over the years is that we don't throw rookies into the fire quick enough. the only problem i see with this draft is that turd in the 2nd round. it is sticking out like an eye sore. escobar looks awkward, he looks frail, and he doesn't look like athletic guy who can carve up a defense like jordan reed or jimmy graham. he has hands but i'm sorry, even if he gains 20 lbs of muscle i don't see enough potential there worthy enough of to pass up on an immediate contributor on the oline.
 

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for every witten there are two david lafleurs. has escobar shown you anything to make you feel comfortable enough to bring up that witten comparison?

There are more recent examples you could use then LaFleur, Fasano and Bennett to name a few
 

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Honestly, can we have ONE thread about our oline that isn't derailed by Zordon and jnday? It's really getting annoying.

Here is a crazy idea.

Put Zordon and jnday on ignore.

I know it is a crazy idea to actually do something to improve your situation where you don't have to see what they post instead of complaining about seeing what they post but I tell you it just might work.
 

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Here is a crazy idea.

Put Zordon and jnday on ignore.

I know it is a crazy idea to actually do something to improve your situation where you don't have to see what they post instead of complaining about seeing what they post but I tell you it just might work.

Here's a crazy idea -- I'll still have to watch a thread get derailed due to their boring repetitive nonsense. Putting them on ignore does nothing.
 

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Here's a crazy idea -- I'll still have to watch a thread get derailed due to their boring repetitive nonsense. Putting them on ignore does nothing.

No you will not have to watch a thread get derailed. YOU are the one who CHOOSES to read the thread, nobody is forcing you, nor are they forcing you to complain about something instead of ignoring the users.

Complaining about it while not putting them on ignore does nothing and is annoying.

So you are just as equally guilty as annoying people.
 

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Honestly, can we have ONE thread about our oline that isn't derailed by Zordon and jnday? It's really getting annoying.

ok go ahead and discuss...lets see what you got. you came into the thread quoting me so maybe you should heed your own advice.

by the way it would have been nice to get an answer on whether you knew about zbs teams interviewing warford pre-draft.
 

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jordan reed and joseph fauria don't look like they need a year to develop.

ok that was a cheap shot but my point is you have a long-term need at guard. the cowboys were either going to need to draft one in 2013 or 2014. why not get the immediate contributor in 2013? warford was being described as a plug and play day 1 starter due to his size. do you see the cowboys as a team that has the luxury to wait on players? i don't. not with this cap. not with the aging players at key positions. they are not the niners who have dozens of picks and a plethora of young talent, so they can afford to stash away guys who will need a year like carradine and lattimore. we need immediate contributors. i am very happy to see guys like frederick, t-will, wilcox, randle, and holloman contribute EARLY. this has been one of my biggest complaints over the years is that we don't throw rookies into the fire quick enough. the only problem i see with this draft is that turd in the 2nd round. it is sticking out like an eye sore. escobar looks awkward, he looks frail, and he doesn't look like athletic guy who can carve up a defense like jordan reed or jimmy graham. he has hands but i'm sorry, even if he gains 20 lbs of muscle i don't see enough potential there worthy enough of to pass up on an immediate contributor on the oline.


when you make these points about the cowboys drafting you are ignoring some glaring facts:

1. the cowboys FO does not know how to evaluate talent
2. the cowboys FO has no idea what they want their team to be so they try to copy ideas off of other teams like the 2-TE from the Pats etc. they are completely reactionary.
3. the FO never saw a TE they could not over-rate
4. the cowboys FO does not believe that OL actually requires a plan and a concerted effort to build

you are responding to people whose lack of understanding of football leads them to say that the cowboys prioritized fixing the red zone offensive problems and follow it up by implying that picking up a third TE who cant get on the field is more important to red zone offense than a 10 year starter at OG would be

of course short yardage running would have nothing to do with the red zone offfense:rolleyes:

these same posters have been arguing against OL and DL for years
 

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ok go ahead and discuss...lets see what you got. you came into the thread quoting me so maybe you should heed your own advice.

by the way it would have been nice to get an answer on whether you knew about zbs teams interviewing warford pre-draft.


Whether or not other teams interviewed him or not. It was quite clear that this team did not have him ranked that high for them. Heck it was even mentioned multiple times by Broaddus that they had little interest in him PRIOR to the draft.

So again it makes no difference when he was taken, who took him, whether ZBS teams looked at him or Man Blocking teams looked at him.

He was not going to be taken by the cowboys in the first few rounds.

Complaining about it now does nothing other than stroke your own ego.

Or in other words...

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