Broncos Fire Mike Shanahan

[rcaldw]

We were favored, but only because we were considered the better team.

How much "better" of a team were we than the Giants? If we played them 10 times, how many games would we have won? Maybe 6? That means the Giants would have won 40% of the time. We didn't play them 10 times, we played them 3. What is 40% of 3? The odds of that Giants team beating us in one of those three games was incredibly good, it just came at the wrong time for us.

It's not "revisionist" it's the overlooked truth.

Hehe, that is a very interesting way to look at a 13-3, home field advantage throughout the playoffs, favored matchup. "Hey, its ok fellas, there was a 40% chance we were gonna lose, the dice just fell wrong."

 

[superpunk]

Did Wade and Shanahan work together ever? He'd make a hell of an OC/Assistant HC/Position we will invent to avoid "demoting" Red Jesus.

 

[windward]

I'd have to say, the idea of Shanahan as head coach intrigues me.

 

[rcaldw]

Did Wade and Shanahan work together ever? He'd make a hell of an OC/Assistant HC/Position we will invent to avoid "demoting" Red Jesus.

I just don't see Shannahan going from HC in charge of all personnel, to a coordinator. Maybe so, but I just don't see it.

 

[masomenos]

Sometimes, you are right, it could be a valid explanation, but your child should still score, relative to the rest of the class, according to his or her abilities. If they are underachieving, they are underachieving, whether you grade on the curve or not. Wade has taken 4 tests and failed all 4.

The answer to your second question is that the Cowboys WERE poorly prepared last year against the Giants. You can put simply no all you want and reflect on the fact that the Giants went on to win the Super Bowl, but I ask you again, WHO WAS FAVORED IN THAT GAME?

Wade is a good coordinator, not a good head coach. Wade was evaluated by the Broncos, that team that you used as an example of patience with Shannahan, (10 years), and released after year 2. Wade was evaluated by Buffalo and released after year 3.

What if Bill Cowher had been "evaluated" after his 2nd year in Pitt? Starts with an 11-5 season with no playoff wins. In year two his team drops to 9-7 and fails to win in the playoffs. Sometimes coaches just need time. Has Phillips ever been given that?

Wade hasn't "failed" all 4 tests, he just didn't get the best grade. It's not like his playoff teams came out as bumbling fools. 3 of the playoff games have been decided by a TD or less.

 

[rcaldw]

What if Bill Cowher had been "evaluated" after his 2nd year in Pitt? Starts with an 11-5 season with no playoff wins. In year two his team drops to 9-7 and fails to win in the playoffs. Sometimes coaches just need time. Has Phillips ever been given that?

Wade hasn't "failed" all 4 tests, he just didn't get the best grade. It's not like his playoff teams came out as bumbling fools. 3 of the playoff games have been decided by a TD or less.

Honestly, not trying to win an argument, ask yourself a question. Wade Phillips is now 62 years old. He was fired twice in very short stints. Why do you think that was? Why do you think he wasn't given that chance? And why do you think, on his 3rd try, not just some of us fans but a whole hoard of media people, ranging from former NFL players and coaches, to the regular talking heads, are saying that Dallas needs a change and that Phillips doesn't represent change? Can you give a good, honest, answer to those questions?

 

[masomenos]

Hehe, that is a very interesting way to look at a 13-3, home field advantage throughout the playoffs, favored matchup. "Hey, its ok fellas, there was a 40% chance we were gonna lose, the dice just fell wrong."

Apparently Jerry Jones understands that's the way it is. There are so many games in an NFL season, playoff or not, where the "best" team doesn't win.

 

[rcaldw]

Apparently Jerry Jones understands that's the way it is. There are so many games in an NFL season, playoff or not, where the "best" team doesn't win.

And thats the stuff that makes for losers, and maybe its that kind of perspective that has left us without a playoff win since 1996. I remember a guy who fired Tom Landry who said, we must win, we will win, winning is the name of the game. Remember that guy?

Now it is, we must make money, we will make money, money is the name of the game.

Or another version of it. I must get the credit, I will get the credit, credit is the name of the game.

 

[masomenos]

Honestly, not trying to win an argument, ask yourself a question. Wade Phillips is now 62 years old. He was fired twice in very short stints. Why do you think that was? Why do you think he wasn't given that chance? And why do you think, on his 3rd try, not just some of us fans but a whole hoard of media people, ranging from former NFL players and coaches, to the regular talking heads, are saying that Dallas needs a change and that Phillips doesn't represent change? Can you give a good, honest, answer to those questions?

Sure, the NFL is largely a "what have you done for me lately" league. That is not a realistic way to achieve results though. Just because success doesn't come early, for a player or a coach, it doesn't mean that it never will. Jerry is entirely right for refusing change and, instead, focusing on continuity. 2008 was a season that was significantly impacted by injuries. You can't hold that on Wade. Yes, the loss to Philly was shameful. Losses like that happen though, to good coaches and to bad coaches, to good teams and to bad teams.

 

[Aikmaniac]

If Shanahan coaches this team, who coaches the defense?

It doesn't matter anyway...we're stuck with Wade.


*sigh*

 

[masomenos]

And thats the stuff that makes for losers, and maybe its that kind of perspective that has left us without a playoff win since 1996. I remember a guy who fired Tom Landry who said, we must win, we will win, winning is the name of the game. Remember that guy?

Now it is, we must make money, we will make money, money is the name of the game.

Or another version of it. I must get the credit, I will get the credit, credit is the name of the game.

So, if that were the case and Jerry just cared about money, wouldn't he be axing Phillips and giving into the demands of the fans and the media?

 

[rcaldw]

Sure, the NFL is largely a "what have you done for me lately" league. That is not a realistic way to achieve results though. Just because success doesn't come early, for a player or a coach, it doesn't mean that it never will. Jerry is entirely right for refusing change and, instead, focusing on continuity. 2008 was a season that was significantly impacted by injuries. You can't hold that on Wade. Yes, the loss to Philly was shameful. Losses like that happen though, to good coaches and to bad coaches, to good teams and to bad teams.

Ok. If that is your view of it it is your view of it. My view of it is that it becomes apparent pretty quick that though Wade is a nice guy, and a good DC, he is not head coaching material. That is why at 62 years of age, let me repeat, 62 years of age, he has only been tapped to be a head coach 3 times, and the first two times he didn't survive 3 years DESPITE his teams winning some games.

Continuity is a good thing if what you are continuing with makes sense. Continuity with a bad thing is insanity. Even the players acknowledge major chemistry problems on this team. Who is in charge? Even Wade says he has to change. Will you believe the man's statements about himself????????

Anyway, enough time on the forum tonight for me We will continue to hold our opposing views, I'm sure.

 

[rcaldw]

So, if that were the case and Jerry just cared about money, wouldn't he be axing Phillips and giving into the demands of the fans and the media?

You forgot the 2nd way of stating it. And I think, sometimes, the 2nd motivation even trumps the first. Jerry's stinking pride and ego. He has to be "the answer". He has to give those speeches, has to take everyone "to the woodshed". Isn't that a statement that will give a sense of dignity to his head coach? Won't that improve his locker room image and sense of authority. Little Wade had daddy take him to the woodshed. But guess what comes through loud and clear in a statement like that? Jerry's in charge. Jerry is the man. And that is what is most important to Jerry Jones, even more important than winning. Jerry has to be front and center.

Enough for me tonight. gnite.

 

[P.Smith]

My Lions need him!

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'm not a fan of his zone blocking scheme so I don't know about bringing him in...

 

[Pick6TerenceNewman]

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen reportedly decided to fire coach Mike Shanahan after Shanny refused to fire defensive coordinator Bob Slowik.

Just how Jim Mora was canned in Indianapolis. According to NFL Network, Shanahan and Bowlen had only a five minute conversation before ending their 14-year marriage. The two were reportedly very close and Shanahan was probably blindsided by the move. He now becomes the most desirable coaching candidate on the market and will get a monster contract if he wants.
Source: Rocky Mountain News

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Do it Jerra!!!!!!!!!!!!

And fly in Cowher later in the day.

It will stroke yer ego big time Jerra!!!!
Imagine the Shanahan culture of RBs working with MB/Felix the Cat/Choice!!!!!

 

[mr.jameswoods]

This is a no brainer as well. However, if we sign Shanahan, we have to be realistic and realize that it will probably take at least a season before we can acquire the proper personel and experience to install that zone blocking scheme. You can't sign Shanahan now and expect to see our offensive line block like that next August. However, I totally think Shanahan is worth sacraficing a season for because we are not playing in a superbowl next year.

 

[chinch]

ahem.... Continuity Is Crucial .... Continuity

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Sure, the NFL is largely a "what have you done for me lately" league. That is not a realistic way to achieve results though. Just because success doesn't come early, for a player or a coach, it doesn't mean that it never will. Jerry is entirely right for refusing change and, instead, focusing on continuity. 2008 was a season that was significantly impacted by injuries. You can't hold that on Wade. Yes, the loss to Philly was shameful. Losses like that happen though, to good coaches and to bad coaches, to good teams and to bad teams.

I agree with your philosophy about continuity. I also agree that there is so much that isn't within the control of a coach or team and you really need as much luck as hard work and discipline to win.

That being said, you have to believe in your product. I don't believe in Wade Phillips. I believe in Mike Shanahan. If Mike Shanahan finishes 5-11, I would stick by him because I believe that he is fundamentally a great coach. I don't share that view of Wade Phillips. I think Phillips is a good defensive coordinator but i don't think he is a great head coach and I think we are ultimately going to replace him at the end of next season anyway. Remember, Jerry Jones also stood by Dave Campo for three 5-11 seasons.