Brown's PI or Hold

[The Quest for Six]

Rodgers was out of the pocket and still had the ball so contact is allowed

It was an INT that was stolen from us and gave GB the lead and cost us 2 timeouts

it was a clear PI call......contact is not allowed beyond five yard of the line of scrimmage

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Someone more knowledgeable than me should comment but if the ball is uncatchable then they would just pick up the flag.

I dont even remember the last time a PI call was picked up because of the "un-catchable" loop hole. It's just not something they call anymore.

 

[Nova]

it was a clear PI call......contact is not allowed beyond five yard of the line of scrimmage

Three calls cover that scenario. Illegal Contact, Holding, and Pass Interference.

Brown did something wrong, sure. But it fit the criteria of Holding or Illegal contact and not PI.

 

[Nightman]

it was a clear PI call......contact is not allowed beyond five yard of the line of scrimmage

not if Rodgers is out of the pocket and still has the ball....... plus it was uncatchable... the WR stopped and started playing ref

 

[The Quest for Six]

Three calls cover that scenario. Illegal Contact, Holding, and Pass Interference.

Brown did something wrong, sure. But it fit the criteria of Holding or Illegal contact and not PI.

ball was in the air, therefore it is pass interference......

 

[Nightman]

I dont even remember the last time a PI call was picked up because of the "un-catchable" loop hole. It's just not something they call anymore.

I saw it picked up last week in the playoffs

 

[Nightman]

ball was in the air, therefore it is pass interference......

Ball was not in the air...ARod clearly still has it, out of the pocket

 

[Nova]

ball was in the air, therefore it is pass interference......

That's what Corrente said, at least.

To me it looked extremely close-- like Rodgers may have been releasing the ball as the hold occurred.

I wish I had another look at it, but I don't.

But I just can't work out the timing of it. Passes don't hang in the air that long.

 

[The Quest for Six]

not if Rodgers is out of the pocket and still has the ball....... plus it was uncatchable... the WR stopped and started playing ref

wishful thinking...Rodgers didn't have the ball, it was in the air and how was it uncatchable if Heath caught it

 

[ctrous25]

Not calling holding on an outright wrestling move on Irving in the last play affected the outcome. I don't know if it was intentional bias, but a poor call did affect the outcome.

A much, much less egregious hold affected the night game's outcome as well.

To say refs calls don't affect the outcome of NFL games may be upstanding manly talk, but it simply isn't true.

Well said

 

[Clove]

The refs do seem partial to Rodgers as if he needs the help.

 

[Nightman]

wishful thinking...Rodgers didn't have the ball, it was in the air and how was it uncatchable if Heath caught it

The WR stopped his route......you really don't know football if you think Heath catching it makes it "catchable" by the WR

Rodgers still has the ball....outside the pocket.....nice try though

 

[The Quest for Six]

The WR stopped his route......you really don't know football if you think Heath catching it makes it "uncatchable" by the WR

Rodgers still has the ball....outside the pocket.....nice try though

just watched the play, ball was in the air... Heath caught it five yards beyond the receiver who stopped because he was mugged hence PI...... but carry on whining about the refs, like most of Cowboy fans like to do every week, unless they're complaining about Buck or Troy calling the game, or Mara or ESPN, or FS1 or Goodell or some analyst not gushing enough about the Cowboys......but carry on!!

 

[Staubacher]

I still don't get how that wobbly, sliding to the right kick made it in from 56 yards with room to spare. He misses that we are at midfield in a tie game needing only a bailey fg to win

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

it was a clear PI call......contact is not allowed beyond five yard of the line of scrimmage

Do you enjoy being wrong?

 

[AdamJT13]

wishful thinking...Rodgers didn't have the ball, it was in the air and how was it uncatchable if Heath caught it

The contact/holding was very clearly initiated while Rodgers still had the ball. It ended very slightly before to very slightly after Rodgers threw it. (It's virtually impossible to tell exactly when Brown let go of Montgomery, but Rodgers lets go of the ball at roughly the same time Brown lets go of Montgomery.)

Also, an "uncatchable" ball is determined only by considering the players involved in the interference (Brown and Montgomery), not by another player (Heath).

 

[Nightman]

ball was in the air, therefore it is pass interference......

Do you enjoy being wrong?

The contact/holding was very clearly initiated while Rodgers still had the ball. It ended very slightly before to very slightly after Rodgers threw it. (It's virtually impossible to tell exactly when Brown let go of Montgomery, but Rodgers lets go of the ball at roughly the same time Brown lets go of Montgomery.)

Also, an "uncatchable" ball is determined only by considering the players involved in the interference (Brown and Montgomery), not by another player (Heath).

/Questforsix = body-bagged

 

[JohnsKey19]

It was an obvious grab by the DB, however, the ball looked mainly uncatchable.

Having said that, this one could have gone either way. There were worse calls.

Correct. Heath makes the INT regardless, which sucks in retrospect.

 

[Nova]

The contact/holding was very clearly initiated while Rodgers still had the ball. It ended very slightly before to very slightly after Rodgers threw it. (It's virtually impossible to tell exactly when Brown let go of Montgomery, but Rodgers lets go of the ball at roughly the same time Brown lets go of Montgomery.)

Also, an "uncatchable" ball is determined only by considering the players involved in the interference (Brown and Montgomery), not by another player (Heath).

Absolutely correct.

Just rewatched it and it was absolutely NOT PI because the hold/contact occurred before the ball was in the air and it was uncatchable.

Furthermore, though the rule is "ball in the air" that usually means "ball in the area/catch imminent" because that's actually what is observable by the field judge.

It is never called that close to the point of release because it is not the responsibility of the field judge to monitor the QB, nor is it possible to.

100% the wrong call.

That said at least it was on 1st down and only cost us 10 yards and we ultimately made a play in the backfield that made the ref's screw up a 7 yard net.

 

[SacredStar]

The refs DIDN'T affect the outcome.
They were fair to both teams.

Sorry, but you're wrong. There is no such thing as a fair official. They can choose to throw a flag or not. There is a fine line between what is illegal and what is borderline. There just is no consistency in calls anymore. One week a play is illegal, the next week the same play is legal. Their calls affect every game, their judgments affect every game. Consistency, honesty, no bias, and fairness is needed...but it will never happen because humans are not that perfect, or refuse to be that perfect. You can't tell me that one team committed two minor fouls in a sixty minute game. They were only flagged twice because the officials chose to only flag them twice. No team is that perfect, no team is that disciplined. That's why every fan complains about officiating. They have a right to complain.