Brugler says Cowboys see Ramsey at Corner

[Toruk_Makto]

What I'm actually doing is pointing out the disconnect between what those inside team war rooms think and what those outside think. And what the value is among NFL decision-makers.

How it matters a lot more what those making the decisions think than those not making them think.

And I never took issue with what you're now stating that "Ramsey/Tunsil are widely considered among the top prospect in the draft". I took issue with someone saying that he was the "consensus top pick in the draft".

I hope that clears things up for you.

Well Ramsey was never considered top pick. That's just flat out wrong.

 

[CATCH17]

I consider 'playmakers' guys who make big plays and I consider interceptions to be 'big plays'.

This team tied the league record for fewest turnovers last year and adding a guy who doesn't get turnovers doesn't make me feel that's going to change.

Deion Sanders had 14 interceptions during his Florida State career. That's a playmaker.

We're bend don't break through and through. Don't expect our defense to ever be more than that with this outdated defense.

 

[conner01]

Jones had a noticeable impact in helping Dallas stay in games with his coverage of tight ends, and that impacted the few victories that we had.

If you're blaming him for not helping us win without Romo and Dez, then you're saying that about all of the other players.

Good thing we didn't retain Greg Hardy, he had zero impact on the outcome of games.

The only impacts that matter are sacks and ints. QB pressures and shutting down a reciever or breaking up a pass doesn't make any impact at all
Where's that sarcasm button at?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I heard the same about Byron Jones too. He showed his versatility but he had zero impact on the outcome of games.

Are you really going to simplify it to that degree and act like it's valid?

I get that we were 4-12 and all that but there are 45 guys active typically on game day. They all count.

His coverage on Gronkowski impacted that game. We forced the Patriots to adjust and run those pick plays. He shut down several inferior TE's. He wasn't all roses but for a rookie he showed promise for a very good career.

As for Ramsey, I don't see how you can watch him play defense and not say he impacts the game. Most QBs keyed off of him. You can see them point him out presnap. He is an excellent blitzer who knows how to take on blocks. Very good bend and use of leverage.

Top notch range where you can have him deep thirds, halves, and single high. Has worked deep, intermediate and short zones and his awareness is improving.

In man coverage he has a dominant press and the speed to recover (4.41 40). Jitterbugs running double moves could be problematic if he misses on the press.

High points ball, elite leaper, explosive driving on throws, but he drops interceptions.

Emotional leader in the mold of Michael Irvin. Constantly getting people up or calling out mistakes. Very demanding and sets a high standard for performance.

 

[gimmesix]

Obviously not by the people actually making the decisions.



According to rankings made by people not involved in the process. The actual moves being made in the NFL show otherwise.

Overdrafting QBs happens every year because teams are desperate for their franchise guy. Now, that doesn't mean that the teams don't have the QBs ranked ahead of Bosa, Ramsey and Tunsil. We don't know that. All we've really got to go on is where the draft pundits have them ranked, or do you want to throw that out when it's inconvenient?

I bet if Dallas drafted someone like Vernon Butler at No. 4, you'd be quickly pointing to those rankings and saying Dallas reached, should have traded down if they wanted Bulter, etc.

 

[This is Our Year]

Wentz, Goff, and Tunsil going 1-2-3 is far and away my worst case scenario.

Well the Wentz Goff combo is going 1,2. So pretty damn good chance this is the 1st 3 picks

 

[Gaede]

Are you really going to simplify it to that degree and act like it's valid?

I get that we were 4-12 and all that but there are 45 guys active typically on game day. They all count.

His coverage on Gronkowski impacted that game. We forced the Patriots to adjust and run those pick plays. He shut down several inferior TE's. He wasn't all roses but for a rookie he showed promise for a very good career.

As for Ramsey, I don't see how you can watch him play defense and not say he impacts the game. Most QBs keyed off of him. You can see them point him out presnap. He is an excellent blitzer who knows how to take on blocks. Very good bend and use of leverage.

Top notch range where you can have him deep thirds, halves, and single high. Has worked deep, intermediate and short zones and his awareness is improving.

In man coverage he has a dominant press and the speed to recover (4.41 40). Jitterbugs running double moves could be problematic if he misses on the press.

High points ball, elite leaper, explosive driving on throws, but he drops interceptions.

Emotional leader in the mold of Michael Irvin. Constantly getting people up or calling out mistakes. Very demanding and sets a high standard for performance.

Yes, Ramsey has a lot of plus intangibles. Hard not to be impressed by him.

As far as prospects go, he's the type of guy you take this high in the draft. One who shows a) elite physical abilities b) good intangibles c) football ability. He literally has it all. And his position versatility fits our defense perfectly. Having him and Jones together in the backfield is very enticing.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He held him down completely, other than the pick routes, didn't he?

Nobody holds Gronk down.

And as far as the pick plays, why was our defense so unprepared?

Pats are notorious for running pick plays, they been doing it for years. The fact our defense looked so lost was quite disturbing

 

[Stash]

Are you really going to simplify it to that degree and act like it's valid?

I get that we were 4-12 and all that but there are 45 guys active typically on game day. They all count.

His coverage on Gronkowski impacted that game. We forced the Patriots to adjust and run those pick plays. He shut down several inferior TE's. He wasn't all roses but for a rookie he showed promise for a very good career.

As for Ramsey, I don't see how you can watch him play defense and not say he impacts the game. Most QBs keyed off of him. You can see them point him out presnap. He is an excellent blitzer who knows how to take on blocks. Very good bend and use of leverage.

Top notch range where you can have him deep thirds, halves, and single high. Has worked deep, intermediate and short zones and his awareness is improving.

In man coverage he has a dominant press and the speed to recover (4.41 40). Jitterbugs running double moves could be problematic if he misses on the press.

High points ball, elite leaper, explosive driving on throws, but he drops interceptions.

Emotional leader in the mold of Michael Irvin. Constantly getting people up or calling out mistakes. Very demanding and sets a high standard for performance.

My position is predicated on making big plays. Game-changing plays which in my opinion are sacks and turnovers.

This defense tied the record for fewest all-time last year, and Jones was part of that. And Ramsey, like Jack and Bosa, make too few of those plays in my opinion. It doesn't mean they're not good players, it just makes this fan question if any of them are worth the #4 overall pick.

 

[Stash]

Overdrafting QBs happens every year because teams are desperate for their franchise guy. Now, that doesn't mean that the teams don't have the QBs ranked ahead of Bosa, Ramsey and Tunsil. We don't know that. All we've really got to go on is where the draft pundits have them ranked, or do you want to throw that out when it's inconvenient?

Any draft pundits who aren't taking the true value of the quarterback position into proper consideration aren't doing their jobs. And therefore, any mocks or predictions they make are worthless. And offer nothing more than anyone else's personal opinion on the subject.

I bet if Dallas drafted someone like Vernon Butler at No. 4, you'd be quickly pointing to those rankings and saying Dallas reached, should have traded down if they wanted Bulter, etc.

Very likely, yes. But again, in the real world of the NFL, the quarterback position is different from all others and should be treated as such.

 

[Stash]

Well the Wentz Goff combo is going 1,2. So pretty damn good chance this is the 1st 3 picks

Isn't it "Omaha" and not "Ohama"?

 

[bayeslife]

Wentz, Goff, and Tunsil going 1-2-3 is far and away my worst case scenario.

Weird, if Ramsey drops to 4 I'm doing cartwheels until September.

 

[Idgit]

Nobody holds Gronk down.

And as far as the pick plays, why was our defense so unprepared?

Pats are notorious for running pick plays, they been doing it for years. The fact our defense looked so lost was quite disturbing

He pretty much held him down.

The pick plays were picks. That's why they work. The refs called two of them, then allowed them to happen. And the Pats are a good team. You know I don't have a problem dumping on our defense, but they played a really good game that week. Their preparation was not the problem.

 

[Stash]

Weird, if Ramsey drops to 4 I'm doing cartwheels until September.

That's great, I'm glad that you would be happy. It's always great when the team draft's 'your guy'.

Let's face it, it's all just our opinion and personal preferences anyway.

 

[This is Our Year]

Isn't it "Omaha" and not "Ohama"?

LMAO... Yeah been like that for 4 years probably. Just too lazy to change it.

 

[CyberB0b]

Byron Jones played more Safety than CB in college and had some very good games playing corner for the Cowboys. The current group of scouts has the benefit of the doubt IMO after the last couple of drafts - and a perennial Pro Bowl CB has a lot more value than one playing Safety.

If the Cowboys think he is an elite CB, that increases his value in my eyes.

Byron Jones didn't play safety for two years when the Cowboys drafted him.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He pretty much held him down.

The pick plays were picks. That's why they work. The refs called two of them, then allowed them to happen. And the Pats are a good team. You know I don't have a problem dumping on our defense, but they played a really good game that week. Their preparation was not the problem.

Yea, but everybody and their momma knows the refs are not going to call it every single time.

That is what I don't get about this team. If the refs are only going to call pick plays 1/2 the time, then you better dam well adjust to zone or something else to stop them.

Or I have a wild and crazy idea...................lets run some pick plays of our own instead of crying about it!!!

 

[Aven8]

Yea, but everybody and their momma knows the refs are not going to call it every single time.

That is what I don't get about this team. If the refs are only going to call pick plays 1/2 the time, then you better dam well adjust to zone or something else to stop them.

Or I have a wild and crazy idea...................lets run some pick plays of our own instead of crying about it!!!

How can you run pick plays on 20 yard out patterns and button hooks??

 

[Beast_from_East]

How can you run pick plays on 20 yard out patterns and button hooks??

Good point................Garrett/Linehan's offense is not the most creative to be running pick plays with.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My position is predicated on making big plays. Game-changing plays which in my opinion are sacks and turnovers.

This defense tied the record for fewest all-time last year, and Jones was part of that. And Ramsey, like Jack and Bosa, make too few of those plays in my opinion. It doesn't mean they're not good players, it just makes this fan question if any of them are worth the #4 overall pick.

He's probably the best blitzing DB to come out since RW31. He knows how to take on and overcome blocks. He attacks shoulders and uses leverage. He's built like Dez Bryant.

I get that but he probably like most 3 down players played 600+ snaps. 5 picks is a lot and that would be less than 1% of plays. You can also not ignore that teams only threw at him once or twice a game. I'm more of the mindset of comprehensive stats like QB rating against and the like. He rates as 2nd in the nation.

Now it's not all rainbows. If he is going to continue to play corner then he needs to continue to work on his ball skills. He does look for the ball but is inconsistent in his timing. There are a couple red zone zone calls on his side of the field and the ball goes over the top and no one has gotten back. That happened a couple of times and I would be curious to know what his assignment was.

Also Eric Berry and Earl Thomas quality S are few and far between. That's around what his ceiling is.