Brugler says Cowboys see Ramsey at Corner

[DC Cowboy]

He's a Team Leader, hope he makes it to 4. Sure Ramsey can play Corner, he is all over the field like the next Troy Polamahu. So I doubt he makes it past San Diego.

If he did make it to us, our nickel back field could look like this - Scandrick-Carr-Clayborne-Ramsy-Jones

 

[DC Cowboy]

I think he will end up at safety but early on he will play CB because that's where the need is

or a hybrid like the Honey Badger

 

[gimmesix]

Wentz, Goff, and Tunsil going 1-2-3 is far and away my worst case scenario.

It's my best, considering that Ramsey and Bosa both consistently rank ahead of either QB and we don't need another offensive lineman.

Dallas is in position to draft one of the top three players in this draft (according to multiple rankings), and I can't ask for much more than that.

 

[Teague31]

Great. Another DB with zero ball skills.

 

[gimmesix]

I heard the same about Byron Jones too. He showed his versatility but he had zero impact on the outcome of games.

Jones had a noticeable impact in helping Dallas stay in games with his coverage of tight ends, and that impacted the few victories that we had.

If you're blaming him for not helping us win without Romo and Dez, then you're saying that about all of the other players.

Good thing we didn't retain Greg Hardy, he had zero impact on the outcome of games.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

It's my best, considering that Ramsey and Bosa both consistently rank ahead of either QB and we don't need another offensive lineman.

Dallas is in position to draft one of the top three players in this draft (according to multiple rankings), and I can't ask for much more than that.

I can see the merit in drafting Tunsil... Great value at #4. But yeah Ramsey certainly fills a position of need AND represents solid value at #4.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Jones had a noticeable impact in helping Dallas stay in games with his coverage of tight ends, and that impacted the few victories that we had.

If you're blaming him for not helping us win without Romo and Dez, then you're saying that about all of the other players.

Good thing we didn't retain Greg Hardy, he had zero impact on the outcome of games.

That's the challenge of establishing value on a team sport where you can so many guys contributing positively or negatively.

It's easy to fall into the trap of pointing at a guy on a losing team and saying "You're the reason" but unless you have quantitative analysis behind your statement how relevant can your statement be?

 

[gimmesix]

I can see the merit in drafting Tunsil... Great value at #4. But yeah Ramsey certainly fills a position of need AND represents solid value at #4.

Oh, I see the merit of it. Doug Free is getting long in tooth and has never been more than solid as a starter. Tunsil would give us an unbelievable starting five, and for that reason, I could live with the pick.

 

[Stash]

Ramsey is a playmaker. He just didn't get many INTs in college.

I consider 'playmakers' guys who make big plays and I consider interceptions to be 'big plays'.

This team tied the league record for fewest turnovers last year and adding a guy who doesn't get turnovers doesn't make me feel that's going to change.

Deion Sanders had 14 interceptions during his Florida State career. That's a playmaker.

 

[Stash]

It's my best, considering that Ramsey and Bosa both consistently rank ahead of either QB and we don't need another offensive lineman.

Obviously not by the people actually making the decisions.

Dallas is in position to draft one of the top three players in this draft (according to multiple rankings), and I can't ask for much more than that.

According to rankings made by people not involved in the process. The actual moves being made in the NFL show otherwise.

 

[Stash]

Jones had a noticeable impact in helping Dallas stay in games with his coverage of tight ends, and that impacted the few victories that we had.

If you're blaming him for not helping us win without Romo and Dez, then you're saying that about all of the other players.

That's not what's being done at all, but don't let the truth stop your narrative.

Good thing we didn't retain Greg Hardy, he had zero impact on the outcome of games.

If you're happy to lose the team's best pass rusher, you're entitled to your opinion.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Bad idea. Put him close to the ball, facing the ball. He's Tyrann Mathieu in a Patrick Peterson suit. Let him loose

This is Dallas. But people want to get butthurt when I said Mcclay is looking suspect. Yes, let's put the safety at corner guys.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Really? So you're claiming that trade up that just happened was so that the Rams could draft Jalen Ramsey?

Why do people keep making this silly argument?

 

[Jake0]

Great. Another DB with zero ball skills.

You mean like Mo Claiborne?

It'd agitate me more if the pick was VHIII tbh. Then I'd be saying, "Great, another short, 4.5 speed DB that is rated highly strictly for his ball skills."

Give me the athletic freak over the ball skills DB all day. Coach him up. I want a guy who keeps top WRs blanketed so they never even get thrown at. A 6'1 DB with insane measurables you can match up with other tall receivers and hopefully not get globetrotted on like Carr vs Megatron. PDs are fine. Ints will come when you're protecting a lead and the other team gets desperate down the stretch.

p.s. Scandrick only had 4 ints in 3 years at college. Athletic freak.

 

[Idgit]

I don't know how much of a factor it might be, because we know Marinelli doesn't really like to blitz, but we're getting another good man corner back this year in Scandrick, too. Adding Ramsey to Jones would give us a lot of flexibility with coverages if we end up wanting to blitz to generate pressure. We were talking about possibly doing that back when they were looking at Shazier in the Martin draft: blitzing the WIL in behind the 3-tech once you had those positions set. With Crawford/Crawford and Lee you've got the front part of the equation. You've got two decent press CBs and Carr, and whatever combination of Ramsey and Jones you want to put on the field. We'd probably see some plays get made then.

 

[Stash]

Why do people keep making this silly argument?

What "silly argument" is that? That anyone involved in decision-making is ranking Jalen Ramsey at the top?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What "silly argument" is that? That anyone involved in decision-making is ranking Jalen Ramsey at the top?

The consensus number 1 player in a draft doesn't always go first for a variety of reasons.

Have you ever referred to a prospect who "slid" on draft day? I'm sure you have. That means you acknowledge that players don't always go when they "should" by conventional wisdom.

The rams on a team that has a lot of the pieces they need to contend, desperate for a qb, traded a king's ransom to get one of the top 2 qbs. This isn't shocking. We also know neither qb as a prospect rates as the best player in the draft. That is also not shocking.

So when you counter anyone stating that Ramsey/Tunsil are widely considered among the top prospect in the draft with....oh the Rams must be drafting up to get him...you're being either disingenuous or displaying gross ignorance.

Which is it?

 

[Kaiser]

A 6'1 DB with insane measurables you can match up with other tall receivers and hopefully not get globetrotted on like Carr vs Megatron.

That Detroit game was so bad you could see Carr's confidence shaken for games afterward. I believe a big reason Byron Jones was drafted was because of that game where they had no answer for a big, fast WR. Also the position flex so they could mix and match like the NE game with Jones.

Also I didn't watch his college games, wasn't part of the issue with Ramsey's stats that they avoided his side of the field because he was a shutdown DB?

 

[Gaede]

I like Ramsey, the player. Not sure I like his fit on the team.

However, the way defense is changing these days, you need players who can play multiple positions. You can better adapt to offenses.

I just don't trust our team to use him well

 

[Stash]

The consensus number 1 player in a draft doesn't always go first for a variety of reasons.

Have you ever referred to a prospect who "slid" on draft day? I'm sure you have. That means you acknowledge that players don't always go when they "should" by conventional wisdom.

The rams on a team that has a lot of the pieces they need to contend, desperate for a qb, traded a king's ransom to get one of the top 2 qbs. This isn't shocking. We also know neither qb as a prospect rates as the best player in the draft. That is also not shocking.

So when you counter anyone stating that Ramsey/Tunsil are widely considered among the top prospect in the draft with....oh the Rams must be drafting up to get him...you're being either disingenuous or displaying gross ignorance.

Which is it?

What I'm actually doing is pointing out the disconnect between what those inside team war rooms think and what those outside think. And what the value is among NFL decision-makers.

How it matters a lot more what those making the decisions think than those not making them think.

And I never took issue with what you're now stating that "Ramsey/Tunsil are widely considered among the top prospect in the draft". I took issue with someone saying that he was the "consensus top pick in the draft".

I hope that clears things up for you.