Bryan Broaddus on fourth pick

[MikeT22]

I agree.

I'm just getting the vibe that they do not.

It's going to be a defensive player.

I agree. I think they'll go with someone they think can start right away instead of a QB they expect will sit 2-3 years.

Also I saw Broaddus say this week he had Jack and Elliot as his top two players. But I don't think we'll go RB at #4. I think Ramsey would be near the top of our list but suspect he'll go to SD. I say we'll end up taking Buckner or Bosa.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I agree. I think they'll go with someone they think can start right away instead of a QB they expect will sit 2-3 years.

Also I saw Broaddus say this week he had Jack and Elliot as his top two players. But I don't think we'll go RB at #4. I think Ramsey would be near the top of our list but suspect he'll go to SD. I say we'll end up taking Buckner or Bosa.

Wouldn't be shocked if we remove Bosa from our board considering Gregory

 

[Verdict]

WHO Cares about the money is what im screaming...... are you trying to win or not?

Money is always a factor because of the cap, but realistically, if he improves your team the most then you do it and go short on the cap somewhere else. It is all in the grade of the player.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wouldn't be shocked if we remove Bosa from our board considering Gregory

Is it certain that he failed a drug test? The suspension was vague enough that its uncertain from that.

 

[robjay04]

And were we anywhere near signing Miller?

Again we are talking about the Cowboys and what they are going to do and what they have done. They aren't signing a rookie for more than they wouldn't pay the reigning OPTY.

It's not all about money, it's was never all about money with Murray. It was more to do about wear and tear and his age than his asking price. If Murray was 24 and had an excellent injury history with more than one great season, he would be a Cowboy right now. Murray was 27 with one fully healthy season under his belt coming off a season where he got a ton of carries. Those are the biggest factors why he is not wearing a star right now.

On the other hand, Elliott is an exceptionally talented player with a better pedigree than Murray. He also has no NFL carries, that works out in his favor...not against it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's not all about money, it's was never all about money with Murray. It was more to do about wear and tear and his age than his asking price. If Murray was 24 and had an excellent injury history with more than one great season, he would be a Cowboy right now. Murray was 27 with one fully healthy season under his belt coming off a season where he got a ton of carries. Those are the biggest factors why he is not wearing a star right now.

On the other hand, Elliott is an exceptionally talented player with a better pedigree than Murray. He also has no NFL carries, that works out in his favor...not against it.

If you say so. The story Stephen tells is they offered $6m and they loved Murray but they only slotted so much for the position and wouldn't budge.

You have pet cat disease and its obvious.

 

[MikeT22]

Wouldn't be shocked if we remove Bosa from our board considering Gregory

Maybe, but don't think he's in the same category as Gregory. But if we pass on him that could be a contributing factor, along with his attitude.

 

[tyke1doe]

4th pick will get $24MM guaranteed money.

Cowboys have been very clear about how they will not pay a lot of money at the RB spot because that position takes a punishment and has a huge injury risk. They refused to go above $12MM guaranteed for Murray and $14MM guaranteed for Lamar Miller. It seems unlikely that they would then do a 180 and give a rookie TB $24MM guaranteed.

So it's not so much about how they feel about Elliott............ it's that they seem pretty clear they don't want to invest a lot of money in a position they think is risky and taking a TB at 4 would be doing exactly what they said they wouldn't do.

We've had this conversation before.
The Cowboys haven't SAID they won't pay a running back $24 million in guarantee money.
But they have acted as if they won't.
I think those are two big distinctions to make.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Is it certain that he failed a drug test? The suspension was vague enough that its uncertain from that.

Not 100% positive. Its gonna be something teams look into though. One of those peices of info we as fan arent likely to be privey too until after the draft. If its an isolated "college kids being college kids" thing it wont matter. If it looks potentially problematic, he could tumble

 

[darthseinfeld]

Maybe, but don't think he's in the same category as Gregory. But if we pass on him that could be a contributing factor, along with his attitude.

No, Gregory medicates with pot. Different kind of pot head and ine that isnt going to shake his habit anytime soon for anything most likely.

However when they do there background checks if Dallas finds anything problematic with it, they could take him off the board

 

[robjay04]

If you say so. The story Stephen tells is they offered $6m and they loved Murray but they only slotted so much for the position and wouldn't budge.

You have pet cat disease and its obvious.

And they didn't slot him higher than that because of his age/injury history. They got burned not long ago with Marion Barber so they are extra hesitant now spending big money on those second contracts for running backs. I do believe they would have paid a good price for AD last year if he was available.

I want Wentz but I do like Elliott.

 

[dogunwo]

4th pick will get $24MM guaranteed money.

Cowboys have been very clear about how they will not pay a lot of money at the RB spot because that position takes a punishment and has a huge injury risk. They refused to go above $12MM guaranteed for Murray and $14MM guaranteed for Lamar Miller. It seems unlikely that they would then do a 180 and give a rookie TB $24MM guaranteed.

So it's not so much about how they feel about Elliott............ it's that they seem pretty clear they don't want to invest a lot of money in a position they think is risky and taking a TB at 4 would be doing exactly what they said they wouldn't do.

You forget that their research also included the fact that Murray had a ridiculous amount of carries and was moving into his late twenties, and was not a "special" back. If Jerry thinks a running back is AP, he would invest the money.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And they didn't slot him higher than that because of his age/injury history. They got burned not long ago with Marion Barber so they are extra hesitant now spending big money on those second contracts for running backs. I do believe they would have paid a good price for AD last year if he was available.

I want Wentz but I do like Elliott.

If you say so. Want to make a bet?

 

[kazzd58]

hey you guys there is no franchise QB in thisyears draft i

They do. Get over yourself and what you want and deal with reality.

sombody need to pose that questions to them thats y i put it out there, u never know who is reading these forums.. and to address your statement get over myself? the point of my statement is if your trying to win and out of all the years romo has been here what has been the best formula to work for us our team Dallas? and 2014 was the blueprint is my point now instead of murray due to our terrible season we have an opportunity to get not an ok back a decent back that can get 1100 yrds an 4-5 tds we can potentially get a back capable of 2,000yrds 10T tds every year because one thing about us we def want to run the ball so he's gonna get his carries and im not banking on Mcfadden to stay healthy all year long im looking to help Romo as much as possible but due to us having the #4 pick we have an opportunity to get an elite back... i have more faith in Zeke than i do Bosa to help carry us and plus his impact is immediate hes ready to play now Zeke that is.... just my opinion you dont have to agree our team is not Denver but we can create our own way to win which worked in 2014 and can exceed because Zekes gonna score in open field more often than not

 

[reddyuta]

I wouldn't be shocked big they picked EE if Ramsey is gone.I like Elliot but 4 is too high for any RB in my book.

 

[robjay04]

If you say so. Want to make a bet?

We can prove that Murray's age or injury history had nothing to do with the money we were willing to pay him? I am confident that he would be a Cowboy if he had more than one healthy season like the one he had in 2014 but I guess we will never know.

I have no idea what we will do with the fourth pick, I think Zeke could give us the best chance to win now but I am no scout.
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[phildadon86]

I wouldn't be shocked big they picked EE if Ramsey is gone.I like Elliot but 4 is too high for any RB in my book.

If you could draft AP at 4th overall you wouldn't? he could be AP, he could be Trent Richardson. That's the chance you take.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We can prove that Murray's age or injury history had nothing to do with the money we were willing to pay him? I am confident that he would be a Cowboy if he had more than one healthy season like the one he had in 2014 but I guess we will never know.

I have no idea what we will do with the fourth pick, I think Zeke could give us the best chance to win now but I am no scout.
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Converting short yardage wasn't a problem and we're not a west coast team that will use him like McCoy or Charles. I'm not sure how a RB in our offense translates to all that many wins.

It's also an issue of opportunity cost issue. You want to give him Miller money, who we also didn't make a play on, but the benefit of a rookie contract is getting an elite DL, CB, WR, or QB signed to a $7m deal. They top out at anywhere from $15m for CB and WR to $30m for QBs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you could draft AP at 4th overall you wouldn't? he could be AP, he could be Trent Richardson. That's the chance you take.

He's clearly not AP. Not even close really. Elliott isn't the most physical RB I've ever seen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

hey you guys there is no franchise QB in thisyears draft i


sombody need to pose that questions to them thats y i put it out there, u never know who is reading these forums.. and to address your statement get over myself? the point of my statement is if your trying to win and out of all the years romo has been here what has been the best formula to work for us our team Dallas? and 2014 was the blueprint is my point now instead of murray due to our terrible season we have an opportunity to get not an ok back a decent back that can get 1100 yrds an 4-5 tds we can potentially get a back capable of 2,000yrds 10T tds every year because one thing about us we def want to run the ball so he's gonna get his carries and im not banking on Mcfadden to stay healthy all year long im looking to help Romo as much as possible but due to us having the #4 pick we have an opportunity to get an elite back... i have more faith in Zeke than i do Bosa to help carry us and plus his impact is immediate hes ready to play now Zeke that is.... just my opinion you dont have to agree our team is not Denver but we can create our own way to win which worked in 2014 and can exceed because Zekes gonna score in open field more often than not

nice wall of text. I got 3 sentences in and stopped.