BTB: Cowboys 2013 Draft Board Leaked... All Seven Rounds (Link Post #21) *Merge*

[DFWJC]

If the Steelers hired a new HC and new offensive staff in January and drafted 4 months later do you think they'd tell the scouts not to grade any RBs until we know the new coaches also like big backs? ..................?

I actually do think this discussion would take place way before draft day.
But to make it easier.....

Let's do more apples and apples.

If a 3-4 team switched to a 4-3, don't you think 4 months in advance the scouts would make adjustments to their board--and maybe even fully remove some players?

I say 100% for sure they would.

Cannot imagine any scenario where it would be other wise when there is a scheme change.
Certainly they would not wait until the actual draft day to voice a concern about a player very high on the draft board when they had 4 months to do so..and spent many late nights being in the very same room as some of the scouts discussing said players.

Look, for all we know player 5-18 were almost all equal on dallas' board. They may have all even been in the same tier. Unless they ltell us , we won't know.

What we do know is that with the #5 guy available, but all lineman worthy of the 18th pick gone, they wanted to to take a 2-1 one trade to still get some value for the pick while also getting a postion of greater need.
This does not say they did not like Floyd a lot. Immediate (not long-term) need just overwhelmed the conversation.

 

[dogberry]

theebs

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[SMCowboy]

They aren't talent evaluators for one. Secondly, how did Kiffin do at his last stop.

No, they are not talent evaluators. But, they do not run the "normal" 4-3 defense. And they look for different styles of players in alot of positions than your regular 4-3.

 

[xwalker]

since coaches do very little scouting, i think the scouts should be trusted much more than them. Floyd was a scheme fit, he just wasnt a 3 tech in their eyes. Doesnt mean he wouldnt have been a dominant one tech. And keep on mond our one tech is over 30 and a free agent next year.

Yes, coaches can't scout all players that are draft eligible; however, they normally have spent extensive time reviewing players that the scouts have ranked as 1st and 2nd rounders.

The scouts pared down over 700 draft eligible players to the Cowboys board of about 120. If about half are offensive players, then the defensive coaches had a total of about 60 players to review with about 32 or less of them being in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

If you divide that into position groups, then the numbers become much smaller. It was reported to be Marinelli that told Jerry that Floyd was overrated on the board. I feel quite certain that Marinelli had spent considerable time scouting all of the DLineman on the scouts board and especially the ones ranked as 1st and 2nd rounders.

How many scouts do they have to cover 700 plus players? It is quite possible that Marinelli was able to spend more time than the scouts scouting the top DLinemen. The scouts have to cover all positions, Marinelli only had to focus on his position group and only on the players that the scouts have already pared down to the Cowboy's draft board.

 

[theebs]

theebs

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what?

 

[WoodysGirl]

what?

I believe he was giving you props for being the first to post the draft board...

 

[DFWJC]

It would not surprise me at all if Romo and/or agent had strong words in the negotiating process regarding getting legit Oline help early in the draft.

It's worth noting that after the Fredercik pick, Romo texted JJ saying "thanks for extra half second".

 

[AsthmaField]

But I beleive very firmly (as do the giants, ravens, steelers, garrett, ciskowski, as far as I can tell) that when value falls you take it despite need.

Funny that you should mention the Steelers and Giants because they saw fit to pass on Floyd at pick number 17 (Pitt) and 19 (NY).

I agree that they tend to draft value when it falls, leading me to believe that they didn't see Floyd as a blue chip player that was sliding.

 

[DFWJC]

Funny that you should mention the Steelers and Giants because they saw fit to pass on Floyd at pick number 17 (Pitt) and 19 (NY).

I agree that they tend to draft value when it falls, leading me to believe that they didn't see Floyd as a blue chip player that was sliding.

I know this was for someone esle, but....

• The Giants were desperate for Oline help and recently drafted Marvin Austin and Lival Joseph. They then targeted and drafted Jonathan Hankins the next round. Plus they brought in Cullen Jenkins and re-signed Sean Rodgers. Oline was more urgent. It was a slight surpurise still though.

• Floyd does not match the Steelers defensive scheme. That was not even a consideration.

• The one that surprised me was when Oakland traded down and still passed on Floyd at 12. But they were so enamaored with Hayden, that it can happen.

You look at very other pick and you see why teams took who they did, regardless of what they thought of Floyd (who only fits 4-3 schemes, imo). Teams wanted Oline help and pass rushers.

 

[xwalker]

I know this was for someone esle, but....

• The Giants were desperate for Oline help and recently drafted Marvin Austin and Lival Joseph. They then targeted and drafted Jonathan Hankins the next round. Plus they brought in Cullen Jenkins and re-signed Sean Rodgers. Oline was more urgent. It was a slight surpurise still though.

• Floyd does not match the Steelers defensive scheme. That was not even a consideration.

• The one that surprised me was when Oakland traded down and still passed on Floyd at 12. But they were so enamaored with Hayden, that it can happen.

You look at very other pick and you see why teams took who they did, regardless of what they thought of Floyd (who only fits 4-3 schemes, imo). Teams wanted Oline help and pass rushers.

Some people believe that Floyd was best suited to be a 3-4 DE.

Some excerpts from a scouting report:
STRENGTHS: Has a naturally powerful frame with wide shoulders, a surprisingly trim waistline and the thick lower-half conducive to anchoring as a two-gap defender and run-stuffing presence in the middle.

COMPARES TO: Corey Liuget, DL, San Diego Chargers -- Athletic, strong and capable of emerging as a standout as either a 3-4 defensive end or 4-3 defensive tackle, Floyd has talent and upside to virtually guarantee at top 10 selection despite the fact that he has flashed more than dominated throughout his collegiate career.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't see it as a stretch that Floyd would or should be considered as a 3-4 DE.

I mean 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT are essentially the same "animal". And I know a lot of teams think that way.

 

[AsthmaField]

Some people believe that Floyd was best suited to be a 3-4 DE.

Some excerpts from a scouting report:
STRENGTHS: Has a naturally powerful frame with wide shoulders, a surprisingly trim waistline and the thick lower-half conducive to anchoring as a two-gap defender and run-stuffing presence in the middle.

COMPARES TO: Corey Liuget, DL, San Diego Chargers -- Athletic, strong and capable of emerging as a standout as either a 3-4 defensive end or 4-3 defensive tackle, Floyd has talent and upside to virtually guarantee at top 10 selection despite the fact that he has flashed more than dominated throughout his collegiate career.

Yeah, he definately could be a 34 DE. Heck, in 2011 he played DE at Florida.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't see it as a stretch that Floyd would or should be considered as a 3-4 DE.

I mean 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT are essentially the same "animal". And I know a lot of teams think that way.

Never say never, I guess.
But no scouting service, mock or anything else ever once listed him as a 3-4DE prospect. He was drafted as expected...as a 4-3 DT. But there's no law saying he couldn't play 3-4 DE, I suppose.

 

[speedkilz88]

Mel Kiper Jr's 2013 Draft Report

Analysis: Despite his accolades, most people don’t realize just how good Floyd was as a junior for Florida. He wreaked havoc in every game, disrupting things in the backfield all season long. He brings a ton of scheme versatility to the table, able to play as a 4-3 defensive tackle or a 3-4 defensive end. Floyd is super quick and he did a good job both getting after the quarterback and playing the run. He has short arms, but manages to control the guard/center with his strong punch and quick hands. His production was outstanding and you could make the case that he was the best defensive lineman in the nation in 2012. The saying goes, “The eye in the sky never lies,” and when you go back and look at him on tape, the eye in the sky loves this kid. Floyd’s draft ratings have skyrocketed to the point where he could go in the early portion of round one. *Combine Note: Ran a 4.92, didn’t lift, and had a 30” vertical jump.

 

[DFWJC]

Mel Kiper Jr's 2013 Draft Report

Nice find.

Interesting how he raves about his quickness and potential to rush the asset, yet people here say he can't do it.