News: BTB: Next Wave Of Free Agency Starts Today, Cowboys Could Go Bargain Hunting

[Jenky]

His last season carrying the load (2013) he rushed for more than 1,000 yards, 4.3 per carry and 10 TDs. Even last year, he averaged 4.8 per carry on 31 carries.

What did McFadden do his last two seasons?

That was with Manning and a very talented offense. CJ Anderson who wasn't even the starter for several weeks even had 850 yards rushing and 8 TDs.

I'm not a fan of McFadden either, so I don't know where that's coming from.

These guys are practically both former 1st round busts.

 

[gimmesix]

That was with Manning and a very talented offense. CJ Anderson who wasn't even the starter for several weeks even had 850 yards rushing and 8 TDs.

I'm not a fan of McFadden either, so I don't know where that's coming from.

These guys are practically both former 1st round busts.

I'm just saying he's possibly better than what we've got. I have no problem bringing him in and kicking the tires, too. At this point, I'm for all hands on deck.

And I really hate how every time a back's good years are mentioned people want to pass the credit off to the line and QB. Yes, it all goes hand and hand, but that's been the case since downfield passing became a part of the game.

I guess we should go back and dismiss the good years of almost every Hall of Fame back because they likely at least had some years playing on a good offense, instead of crediting them for their role in making the offense good.

 

[ConstantReboot]

So I believe this is the setup and would show the 3 comps Mickey said they currently appear to be set up to receive. Cuts could change that. 8-5=3 Players not bolded are cut possibilities.

Hardy 1 yr $13M
Brinkley 2 yr $6.5M $3.25M AVG
Gachkar 2 yr $5.2M $2.6 ($1.2M SB)
McFadden 2yr $3M $1.5M AVG ($200K SB)
Jed Collins 1 yr $810K


Murray 5 yr $40M 8M AVG
Parnell 5 yr $32M $6.4M AVG
Carter 4 yr $17M $4.25M AVG
Melton $3.75M ($1M SB)
Durant 3 yr $10.8M $3.6M AVG ($1.25M SB)
Harris 5 yr $17M $3.5M AVG (4M SB)
Selvie $1.2M ($200K SB)
Spencer $950K

Why is Jed Collins on that list? If he qualifies so does Spencer right?

 

[speedkilz88]

Why is Jed Collins on that list? If he qualifies so does Spencer right?

AdamJT13 said they do qualify. But they have to make the rosters or IR.

 

[JBell]

Of course he could've.

Maybe the team didn't want to.

Maybe Anthony Spencer wasn't willing to play for so little for Dallas (ego).

Maybe he preferred returning to Rob Ryan's 3-4 defense.

Spencer wanted a 1 year deal to build up value for one final contract.

Wasn't going to build much value being a rotational DE here.

 

[Beast_from_East]

If you're looking to replace the "tough yards" that Murray used to pick up, Moreno is your guy. I was really impressed watching him in both Denver and Miami grinding out tough yards and keeping his legs going for that extra 2 yards. He didn't play much in Miami last season but the games that I watched (I picked him up as a late round pick in FFL last season) I was actually surprised that he had that type of power.

Chris Johnson goes down when a defensive player sneezes in his direction. He's a whole lot of "nope" for me, personally.

Good points, I would have no problem bringing in Moreno for a short yardage back.

 

[muck4doo]

Moreno is who I would be interested in as well. Runs strong, can catch, and pick up blitzes.

 

[mattjames2010]

If it's between Moreno and McFadden, I'd choose Moreno. Just like his running style far more, he's a patient runner and has better vision than McFadden.

 

[iceberg]

Spencer wanted a 1 year deal to build up value for one final contract.

Wasn't going to build much value being a rotational DE here.

something tells me he won't get 1 more contract worth much of anything but vet minimum anywhere. but hey, have a day, mr spencer.

 

[vaturkey]

Moreno has more power for sure and is built like a running back. McFadden has bird legs and bird legs just don't have the power. Speed yes, power no.

 

[iceberg]

His last season carrying the load (2013) he rushed for more than 1,000 yards, 4.3 per carry and 10 TDs. Even last year, he averaged 4.8 per carry on 31 carries.

What did McFadden do his last two seasons?

i can't believe we're actually reduced to arguing over which turd shines more as if either side actually wins this "discussion".

 

[Parcells4Life]

Can we at least see what these 4 have before declaring the position a bust? Is Knowshon or CJ really that much better than McFadden or Randle? Adding more bodies right now dilutes the evaluation process. In a preseason game they'll need 10-15 carries each to be able to determine their worth.

More bodies you add the less clear it is how you evaluate them. There's only so many snaps in a preseason game and OTA/Training Camp is nearly impossible to evaluate because of lack of tackling.

 

[Stash]

The best of what is left at RB is probably Chris Johnson or Moreno................between the two, I would go with Chris Johnson first and see if he has anything left in the tank. Unlike McFadden, Johnson actually has put up good numbers on crap teams like the Titans and Jets. He had a 4.3 average playing with Div 3 caliber QB last season in New York.

Just saying.

He's the best available option in my opinion too.

While Moreno has resurrected an early failed career, injuries have been a huge issue. Based on his past track record, he's completely unreliable.

 

[Stash]

Can we at least see what these 4 have before declaring the position a bust? Is Knowshon or CJ really that much better than McFadden or Randle? Adding more bodies right now dilutes the evaluation process. In a preseason game they'll need 10-15 carries each to be able to determine their worth.

More bodies you add the less clear it is how you evaluate them. There's only so many snaps in a preseason game and OTA/Training Camp is nearly impossible to evaluate because of lack of tackling.

In terms of Chris Johnson vs McFadden? I think the answer is unequivocally a 'Yes' for Chris Johnson. His numbers over the same number of years simply dwarf anything that McFadden has done.

I think McFadden's spot in Dallas has more to do with wishful thinking and 'what might have been' than what reality has proven to be true.

 

[gimmesix]

i can't believe we're actually reduced to arguing over which turd shines more as if either side actually wins this "discussion".

I really don't care which one does. They might all sink (or stink), but I just want to give as many as possible a chance to float to the top.

OK ... I think I've had enough of that metaphor.

I do understand why Dallas is willing to wait on guys like Johnson and Moreno. There's a good possibility that they won't be any better than what we've got (and they might want to be paid like they are much better ... I don't know). My stance is to not wait around to possibly find out what we've got isn't enough because these players could be gone due to injuries on other teams or someone else deciding they might be better than what they've got.

I know some feel replacing Murray won't be that tough, but what we need to look at is that we're trying to replace almost 2,000 yards of rushing at a 4.8 YPC clip. Those aren't easy numbers to replace. In fact, I wouldn't expect any one back to rush for that many yards again, but I do think Dallas' top backs need to be able to put up a similar YPC. If we have a 200-carry back who averages 4-plus and a 100-yard back who averages 4-plus, we'll probably be all right.

Do we have those guys? I don't know, which is why I'm concerned and want to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

 

[iceberg]

I really don't care which one does. They might all sink (or stink), but I just want to give as many as possible a chance to float to the top.

OK ... I think I've had enough of that metaphor.

I do understand why Dallas is willing to wait on guys like Johnson and Moreno. There's a good possibility that they won't be any better than what we've got (and they might want to be paid like they are much better ... I don't know). My stance is to not wait around to possibly find out what we've got isn't enough because these players could be gone due to injuries on other teams or someone else deciding they might be better than what they've got.

I know some feel replacing Murray won't be that tough, but what we need to look at is that we're trying to replace almost 2,000 yards of rushing at a 4.8 YPC clip. Those aren't easy numbers to replace. In fact, I wouldn't expect any one back to rush for that many yards again, but I do think Dallas' top backs need to be able to put up a similar YPC. If we have a 200-carry back who averages 4-plus and a 100-yard back who averages 4-plus, we'll probably be all right.

Do we have those guys? I don't know, which is why I'm concerned and want to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.

only if you really feel that was all on murray. i don't. i don't get how ANYONE can just dismiss the improvements to the line helping murray "be all he can be". to be sure it was a TEAM effort and we'll see if murray can replicate this year in philly (odds are against it) or if anyone we have on the roster now can repeat it (odds against it). point being it was a once in a lifetime type of season for murray so yes, people get concerned. but i don't see how people think we must REPLACE murray when he benefitted from the line.

we may not have another year at RB like last year but we don't need it. not all of it.

just the move the chains, don't lose the ball, and establish that line and let them mow down the defense for whoever we happen to have back there.

we're not trying to repeat last year and anyone sighted in on that as a need is going to be hugely disappointed. thinking we have to have that production EVERY YEAR is a mistake that the "what you did last is what we must have again" crowd.

ain't that way.

sure i'd feel better with a known rb back there, but like i've said already, given the moves this team has made the last few years, they get the benefit of doubt on this one.

to most anyway. to those who look for opportunities to whine, this is like a gold mine for them.

 

[gimmesix]

only if you really feel that was all on murray. i don't. i don't get how ANYONE can just dismiss the improvements to the line helping murray "be all he can be". to be sure it was a TEAM effort and we'll see if murray can replicate this year in philly (odds are against it) or if anyone we have on the roster now can repeat it (odds against it). point being it was a once in a lifetime type of season for murray so yes, people get concerned. but i don't see how people think we must REPLACE murray when he benefitted from the line.

How many backs who have successful seasons don't benefit from the line and/or QB play?

I guess all teams with a good line and good QB play should have just replaced their backs if they benefited from the line and QB play because it's guaranteed that any old back who benefits from the line and QB play is going to succeed.

Man, why did Dallas hold on to that Smith guy when he clearly benefited from the line and QB play early in his career?

We do not know what Murray would have done on a lesser offense (although we got a taste of it when he rushed for 5.5 per carry with Phil Costa at center), but simply dismissing his role in the rushing success Dallas had is ignorant, as is dismissing the importance of the running game in Dallas' success last year.

But I'm tired of discussing this. It is what it is at this point, and we'll find out if that's good enough. I hope it is. I'm happy with most of the decisions made by this team this offseason (including not overpaying for Murray), and we'll see how it all turns out.

 

[xwalker]

Henry Melton will count as a compensatory free agent loss.

Melton was not waived, his contract voided when Dallas elected not to pick up the three year option this off-season, and he became an unrestricted free agent when the market opened.

I was curious about that. I was not clear on whether that would be consider a cut.

 

[iceberg]

How many backs who have successful seasons don't benefit from the line and/or QB play?

I guess all teams with a good line and good QB play should have just replaced their backs if they benefited from the line and QB play because it's guaranteed that any old back who benefits from the line and QB play is going to succeed.

Man, why did Dallas hold on to that Smith guy when he clearly benefited from the line and QB play early in his career?

We do not know what Murray would have done on a lesser offense (although we got a taste of it when he rushed for 5.5 per carry with Phil Costa at center), but simply dismissing his role in the rushing success Dallas had is ignorant, as is dismissing the importance of the running game in Dallas' success last year.

But I'm tired of discussing this. It is what it is at this point, and we'll find out if that's good enough. I hope it is. I'm happy with most of the decisions made by this team this offseason (including not overpaying for Murray), and we'll see how it all turns out.

the sarcasm is strong with this one.

dude, you need to keep your arguments to those you're arguing with. i *never* said it was ONLY the line. i *never* said it was only the RB. i said *TOGETHER* they did a great job but until we had the line in place, we never really had a running game, now did we?

you can say coincidence and i'll say it's a little bit more. you wanna prance around and wah out a bunch of useless crap feel free and i'll just stop trying to talk to you.

show me where i dismissed either. or like you say, just stop. i also get sick and tired of trying to talk to someone and they lob out these arguments they have with "the man" which has not a single lost martians pube to do with a thing i said.

 

[gimmesix]

the sarcasm is strong with this one.

dude, you need to keep your arguments to those you're arguing with. i *never* said it was ONLY the line. i *never* said it was only the RB. i said *TOGETHER* they did a great job but until we had the line in place, we never really had a running game, now did we?

you can say coincidence and i'll say it's a little bit more. you wanna prance around and wah out a bunch of useless crap feel free and i'll just stop trying to talk to you.

show me where i dismissed either. or like you say, just stop. i also get sick and tired of trying to talk to someone and they lob out these arguments they have with "the man" which has not a single lost martians pube to do with a thing i said.

If you believe that Murray was an important part of the success along with the line and passing game, then I'm with you. If you believe the line made Murray, then the same can be said of plenty of other backs who have been considered good to great in their time.

It seemed to me that you were trying to diminish Murray's efforts, when he was a very good back throughout his four years here (when healthy). The numbers show it no matter who was blocking for him.

Can the other backs we have be similarly good in this offense? That we don't know.