BTB Vela: The Last Time Dallas Had a Football Guy in Charge...

[theebs]

Ahh the everything is forced by Jerry and all the screwups are laid at his feet strategy.

How about trading down for Julius for Stephen Jackson because they were so near talent wise or the slew of offensive linemen: Rogers, Peterman, McQuistan, and Al Johnson. How about the KR du jour like Green and Smith. Perhaps it was the genius that thought going into the season with Davis and Pettiti as starters was good enough. How about the bevy of failed Parcells guys when Anderson was the only one that worked out. Guys like Young and Coleman and Keyshaun and Glenn and Bledsoe.

Parcells as a GM was just plain awful.

what? that is your response to 03 and 05 being tremendous offseasons?

ok.

and Al johnson was a solid player here, he lost his job to a better player in gurode. there is nothing wrong with that.

So in your opinion, terry glenn who was traded for via a 6th rounder to gb was a failed parcells guy? really? that is interesting.

And richie anderson is the only guy that worked out?

ok.

Didnt you tell us yesterday that you are more intelligent than most people?

and eddie george and marcellus wiley being jerry signings are public knowledge, along with henson. If you care to dispute that, fine.

Bledsoe threw for nearly 3500 yards and had 20 tds behind a beat line in 05. that is much better than anything jerry threw out there not named Aikman.

And Um Jason ferguson was excellent. guess you forgot him.

I could go on and on. But you have all the answers anyway.

so just keep us all informed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's nice.

But he was never the GM. Ever.

Football guy, whatever. Supposedly when good things were done he was in complete control.

 

[wileedog]

Compare that to Jerry 2.0’s first offseason, when he scored with Leonard Davis and Ken Hamlin and was able to retain every rookie from the first non-Tuna draft.

The same Davis and Hamlin who were paid a combined $90M to be completely mediocre to downright sucky this year?

And notice how he glosses over what is shaping up to be a terrible draft in 2007. That offseason is is one more bad Anthony Spencer season away from being a complete washout too, just like 2006.

 

[theebs]

The same Davis and Hamlin who were paid a combined $90M to be completely mediocre to downright sucky this year?

And notice how he glosses over what is shaping up to be a terrible draft in 2007. That offseason is is one more bad Anthony Spencer season away from being a complete washout too, just like 2006.

shhh.

no one is allowed to talk about james martin. Only jacob rogers.

get with the program.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what? that is your response to 03 and 05 being tremendous offseasons?

ok.

and Al johnson was a solid player here, he lost his job to a better player in gurode. there is nothing wrong with that.

So in your opinion, terry glenn who was traded for via a 6th rounder to gb was a failed parcells guy? really? that is interesting.

And richie anderson is the only guy that worked out?

ok.

Didnt you tell us yesterday that you are more intelligent than most people?

and eddie george and marcellus wiley being jerry signings are public knowledge, along with henson. If you care to dispute that, fine.

Bledsoe threw for nearly 3500 yards and had 20 tds behind a beat line in 05. that is much better than anything jerry threw out there not named Aikman.

And Um Jason ferguson was excellent. guess you forgot him.

I could go on and on. But you have all the answers anyway.

so just keep us all informed.

AARON Glenn. Terry Glenn worked out and Bledsoe didn't suck for half a season. Bravo Bill.

Before 2003, Parcells had just come into the franchise. He admitted he didn't have much say but he made a point about how he insisted on a center and hoiw he needed a KR. That netted us Johnson and Smith. He went on record saying that he didn't want Newman.

I admit that the 2005 draft was good but again Parcells wanted Spears and was overruled and would you like to talk about our FA aquisitions that year?

But yes that draft was stellar. Kudos to Ireland.

If you think Johnson is solid you lost credibility. He was weak at the point of attack. Not surprising given his size and he wasn't all that mobile. He was decent once he got to the second level but thats not saying much.

As for Wiley and George, exactly who did they displace? I know that we had Jones at RB but who else did we have. How about Wiley, who was the DE he displaced that was so wonderful? Oh thats right it was Ogobogu and Rashard Lee that whould have been moving up the depth charts.


When Jones tore his ribs up falling on a football George was all that was between Lee and a starting job. As bad as Wiley was Ogobogu couldn't get into the lineup. But he sure made great commercials.

I didn't mention Ferg who was hurt a lot but at the same time a good player when healthy/ I also didn't bring up Dedrick Ward and Tyrone Williams either. hmmmmm....

 

[Alexander]

Football guy, whatever. Supposedly when good things were done he was in complete control.

He never was in complete control either.

Want to try for the hat trick?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He never was in complete control either.

Want to try for the hat trick?

You going to use the same line again?

Look up the word 'supposedly' and get back to me.

 

[wileedog]

How about Wiley, who was the DE he displaced that was so wonderful? .

Parcells wanted Bertrand Berry.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh ok. Aaron was solid enough. It was a good pickup at the time. No complaints there from me.

I agree.

The way I look at it, Parcells would bring in guys on their last legs and when the wheels fell off we were stuck with them.

Sometimes it worked out alright like Terry, Testaverde or Keyshaun and we could get out from under then quick enough.

Other times, it would be like Aaorn or Bledsoe, where we'd get part of a seson and then be stuck with them. Bledsoe was decent for about half a season and to be honest outside of an occasional jumped slant Aaron was getting burnt deep on a regular basis. RW31 was eating quite a bit of turds for not getting good coverage over the top after Aaron was trailing by 5 yards.

Most of the time it was like Kannell, Williams, Ward, Young, Coleman et al who were terrible to bad.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Parcells wanted Bertrand Berry.

They all wanted Berry. Berry got a huge contract from Arizona. Might as well talk about how he wanted Wahle as well.

 

[Bach]

Football guy, whatever. Supposedly when good things were done he was in complete control.

According to who?

Bill did make most of the personnel decisons when he was here and the team did turn around from the 5-11 rut they were in to being playoff contenders. But he did have several bad draft picks and personnel decisions and he also wasn't in complete control, even though he did have the most control over personnel than anyone since Jimmy, other than Jerry.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This message is hidden because Bach is on your ignore list.

Please don't quote him.

 

[theebs]

AARON Glenn. Terry Glenn worked out and Bledsoe didn't suck for half a season. Bravo Bill.

Before 2003, Parcells had just come into the franchise. He admitted he didn't have much say but he made a point about how he insisted on a center and hoiw he needed a KR. That netted us Johnson and Smith. He went on record saying that he didn't want Newman.

I admit that the 2005 draft was good but again Parcells wanted Spears and was overruled and would you like to talk about our FA aquisitions that year?

But yes that draft was stellar. Kudos to Ireland.

If you think Johnson is solid you lost credibility. He was weak at the point of attack. Not surprising given his size and he wasn't all that mobile. He was decent once he got to the second level but thats not saying much.

As for Wiley and George, exactly who did they displace? I know that we had Jones at RB but who else did we have. How about Wiley, who was the DE he displaced that was so wonderful? Oh thats right it was Ogobogu and Rashard Lee that whould have been moving up the depth charts.


When Jones tore his ribs up falling on a football George was all that was between Lee and a starting job. As bad as Wiley was Ogobogu couldn't get into the lineup. But he sure made great commercials.

I didn't mention Ferg who was hurt a lot but at the same time a good player when healthy/ I also didn't bring up Dedrick Ward and Tyrone Williams either. hmmmmm....

I have no response to this. Its beyond silly.

 

[wileedog]

The way I look at it, Parcells would bring in guys on their last legs and when the wheels fell off we were stuck with them..

I don't think you are looking at the big picture though.

That 2002 roster was horrible - one of the worst in the league. You can only replace so much in a given offseason, and the idea with Parcells was always that you don't waste seasons not competing because you are "rebuilding" - you fill in the holes as best you can. The way to do that is draft as well as you can, and then bring in the cheaper older guys as needed to fill the glaring holes.

Plus he was trying to install a new culture in the locker room and the entire organization as a whole - a lot of his "Parcells guys" were brought in as much to teach guys like Newman and Witten how to be professional football players as much as they were for their contributions on the field.

Its silly to pick out a Vinny signing as foolish because he wasn't Pro Bowl caliber on the field - you have to take into account part of his role was to teach Tony Romo the work habits a QB needs to be successful. Ditto guys like Glenn or Young or Dan Campbell.

 

[Bach]

I have no response to this. Its beyond silly.

No kidding. Fuzzy wrote it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have no response to this. Its beyond silly.

Of course it is....

Parcells was GREAT while he was here. Jerry Jones sucks at everything he tries to do and you know more about football than him.

Really you keep babbling about Wiley and George but who were they replacing that they were inferior to and how were we stuck with them beyond that season. You keep bringing it up as if it means something.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think you are looking at the big picture though.

That 2002 roster was horrible - one of the worst in the league. You can only replace so much in a given offseason, and the idea with Parcells was always that you don't waste seasons not competing because you are "rebuilding" - you fill in the holes as best you can. The way to do that is draft as well as you can, and then bring in the cheaper older guys as needed to fill the glaring holes.

Plus he was trying to install a new culture in the locker room and the entire organization as a whole - a lot of his "Parcells guys" were brought in as much to teach guys like Newman and Witten how to be professional football players as much as they were for their contributions on the field.

Its silly to pick out a Vinny signing as foolish because he wasn't Pro Bowl caliber on the field - you have to take into account part of his role was to teach Tony Romo the work habits a QB needs to be successful. Ditto guys like Glenn or Young or Dan Campbell.

And so many times he would start and play extensively these vets instead of letting the younger guys develop. I understand the philosophy and its great in theory but the results and the way it was managed were not so good. The proof is in the pudding.

I didn't have issue with Vinny. Bledsoe on the other hand....

Young was a role model

Dan Campbell was not a Parcell's guy.

 

[wileedog]

They all wanted Berry. Berry got a huge contract from Arizona. Might as well talk about how he wanted Wahle as well.

Since when has Jerry been bashful about handing out money for a guy he wants? Heck its his best quality.

More likely Jones wanted to be clever and outsmart everyone by signing Wiley instead.

Wahle was never in VR and available, Berry was.

And if Berry simply wasn't a possibility as you are implying, what did you want Parcells to do about it? Wiley was the next 'best' thing on the market. Its not like there 5 quality pass rushers available that offseason and we passed on all of them.

 

[theebs]

Of course it is....

Parcells was GREAT while he was here. Jerry Jones sucks at everything he tries to do and you know more about football than him.

Really you keep babbling about Wiley and George but who were they replacing that they were inferior to and how were we stuck with them beyond that season. You keep bringing it up as if it means something.

oh boy. there really is no point in talking to you about this, you never give an inch or will ever admit anyone else has any idea what they are talking about.

and here is a little secret, I did nothing but compliment jerry during 03-06. he let his people make all the decisions, he let bill rebuild the front office, he let bill kick out the media etc.

I never complained about jerry during those times. I never understood the george signing but that was nothing.

this idea that you keep proclaiming that I had some issue with the man during those seasons is wrong. I was pretty happy.

In fact I have said many times that 05 team is one of my favorite teams. Nothing but good people, people worth rooting for. They werent the most talented or the super bowl favorite, but they operated as one. The team had shortcomings and it did them in. But I still enjoyed them. and they would bounce right back after getting beat.

Jerry played a part in putting together that team, and I really loved that team.

but please keep talking to me like I think I know everything and then in the next breath tell me again how you know your smarter than most people.

good grief.

 

[khiladi]

oh boy. there really is no point in talking to you about this, you never give an inch or will ever admit anyone else has any idea what they are talking about.
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Looked in the mirror lately?