BTB Vela: The Last Time Dallas Had a Football Guy in Charge...

[wileedog]

Berry hasn't played more than 10 games in a season since 2004. He signed for more than $5 mil a year. You sure you want to keep on with this?

He was great in 2004 and this argument was ll the vogue at the end of that season. Now? Not so much.

So you don't know what Parcells should have done other than Wiley yet you want to keep on blaming him for it. No problem.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I honestly didnt think it was funny.

I was doing backflips the day we found out we were getting Parcells. Then after 4yrs of mediocrity I couldnt wait for him to leave.

I'm consistent with him, I've said since before he was gone that he did a good job with certain aspects, but COACHING the team wasnt something he did "GOOD" at.

He was worth every penny had Jerry stayed the course Parcells pointed him in. Jerry couldn't do that and now we are back to where we were pre Parcells.

Four years with the garbage he had to work with from day one and some delusional fans were thinking SB. Just like they are thinking it next season.
That is freaking hilarious. Homer on though.

 

[theebs]

He was worth every penny had Jerry stayed the course Parcells pointed him in. Jerry couldn't do that and now we are back to where we were pre Parcells.

Four years with the garbage he had to work with from day one and some delusional fans were thinking SB. Just like they are thinking it next season.
That is freaking hilarious. Homer on though.

Jerry was doing just fine before Bill got here (I will just call him Bill from now because I am the president of his fan club),

anyway, jerry had it all figured out before he got here, just ask, he and his many blind followers will tell ya.

and as soon as goodrich and ross get out of jail and Quincy kicks his addictions we are going to the superbowl.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Jerry was doing just fine before Bill got here (I will just call him Bill from now because I am the president of his fan club),

anyway, jerry had it all figured out before he got here, just ask, he and his many blind followers will tell ya.

and as soon as goodrich and ross get out of jail and Quincy kicks his addictions we are going to the superbowl.

How some people don't understand this is truely mind boggling.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Jerry was doing just fine before Bill got here (I will just call him Bill from now because I am the president of his fan club),

anyway, jerry had it all figured out before he got here, just ask, he and his many blind followers will tell ya.

and as soon as goodrich and ross get out of jail and Quincy kicks his addictions we are going to the superbowl.

Truly classic right there.

 

[dbair1967]

He was worth every penny had Jerry stayed the course Parcells pointed him in. Jerry couldn't do that and now we are back to where we were pre Parcells.

Four years with the garbage he had to work with from day one and some delusional fans were thinking SB. Just like they are thinking it next season.
That is freaking hilarious. Homer on though.

4yrs is plenty long enough to turn into a legit playoff team that can have success in the postseason...the Rams were from 4-12 to a super bowl...the Ravens from 8-8 to a super bowl, the Falcons went from losing record to a super bowl...the Cardinals for crying out loud are in a super bowl.

Forget super bowl, Parcells couldnt even get us a playoff WIN. Just ONE.

Again, its about expectations.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't buy that Parcells wanted Berry and Jerry wouldn't do it. Berry was a very undersized end and that goes against everything Parcells stands for.

And Bryan Broaddus has said on 103.3 that he tried to get Parcells to go for Mike Wahle, but Parcells was stuck on Marco Rivera. In fact, he said that's one reason Parcells fired him.

Parcells did plenty of good here, but then it wasn't that hard to improve the mess that was here. Jerry did do what he wanted, yes. Props to him for that.

But Parcells also made plenty of mistakes. No need to go into all of them.

It's just funny to me that the great, overhauled, ready-to-win team that Parcells left was... 9-7.

The completely wrecked team that was a complete embarrassment to all of football in 2008 was... 9-7.

 

[dbair1967]

Jerry was doing just fine before Bill got here (I will just call him Bill from now because I am the president of his fan club),

anyway, jerry had it all figured out before he got here, just ask, he and his many blind followers will tell ya.

and as soon as goodrich and ross get out of jail and Quincy kicks his addictions we are going to the superbowl.

Parcells team builder= good

Parcells coach on the field= mediocre

 

[khiladi]

He was worth every penny had Jerry stayed the course Parcells pointed him in. Jerry couldn't do that and now we are back to where we were pre Parcells.

Four years with the garbage he had to work with from day one and some delusional fans were thinking SB. Just like they are thinking it next season.
That is freaking hilarious. Homer on though.

What course was that? Bill Parcells looked be-fuddled and dazed his last year, to the point all his 'homies' had to come down and give him support on the sidelines during games. Even his boys were saying he didn't look the same. He looked defeated the whole year, especially the first-half against Carolina, until Tony Romo bailed him out.

 

[theebs]

Parcells team builder= good

Parcells coach on the field= mediocre

Yes I know you and everyone else told me how he sucks without belichick.

I got it. Parcells is awful.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

HUH? You accused me as you always do of saying its the jerry does nothing right and parcells is great.

I clearly pointed out to you that I do not feel that way. And you start with your remarks and tell me to make a point worth a damn and I am pretty sure I did.

and no one gets credit for romo coming here. He saw the most pathetic qb situation in the league in quincy/hutch/stoerner and saw the quickest path to the field.

I am sure the fact that Jerry pays undrafted free agents more than any other owner didnt hurt and the fact that bill parcells is a legend and is willing to give young qb's a chance made Dallas attractive.

What parcells gets credit for when it comes to romo is, installing the work ethic, forcing to romo to get the most out of himself he could and surrounding him with terrific coaches in David lee, Tony sporano, Sean Payton, Todd Haley and early on Mo carthon. He wasnt rushed and he was brought up the old school way. that is what bill gets credit for.

Well you were claiming that I will never give an inch. That is the reason for saying come up with a decent point. Your causation is off.

The reason why I said the 'lay it all at Jerry's feet' was because of different people claiming that Parcells was in complete control and then turning around and harping about Wiley -you were not the only one-.

Just for the record I do not believe either was completely in control, I believe that they had equal voice and it showed over and over again. Wiley and Glenn and George and Young oh my.

Just as an aside I see a lot of people *cough* Hostile *cough* claiming that players wouldn't want to play in this environment. I have yet to see any active players say that. Over the years I have seen quite a lot of 'Jones is the best owner in the NFL' or 'I have always wanted to play with a star on my helmet.' I don't see any evidence of that really.

 

[Bach]

and as soon as goodrich and ross get out of jail and Quincy kicks his addictions we are going to the superbowl.

:laugh2:

 

[khiladi]

Just as an aside I see a lot of people *cough* Hostile *cough* claiming that players wouldn't want to play in this environment. I have yet to see any active players say that. Over the years I have seen quite a lot of 'Jones is the best owner in the NFL' or 'I have always wanted to play with a star on my helmet.' I don't see any evidence of that really.

Hell, Larry Fitzgerald's father came out and said his son was a die-hard Cowboys fan and wanted to play for them...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you don't know what Parcells should have done other than Wiley yet you want to keep on blaming him for it. No problem.

Like there wasn't room for a 4th DE or a third RB with the squad as it was.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

4yrs is plenty long enough to turn into a legit playoff team that can have success in the postseason...the Rams were from 4-12 to a super bowl...the Ravens from 8-8 to a super bowl, the Falcons went from losing record to a super bowl...the Cardinals for crying out loud are in a super bowl.

Forget super bowl, Parcells couldnt even get us a playoff WIN. Just ONE.

Again, its about expectations.

Yes it's about expectations, agreed. But to expect to go to the SB with the Jerry Jones school of GMing cast was crazy. We had zero QBs. Start there.
Parcells arrived with not one QB. EMMITT Smith was his RB. I love EMMITT but cmon.

Larry Allen still starting.
Woody Dantzler
Mario Edwards

See where this is going?

He cleaned up the cesspool and pointed us right where we needed to go.
Then Jones signed the likes of............ well you know.

Back to the cesspool, and it only took GM Jerry two years to get back.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

What course was that? Bill Parcells looked be-fuddled and dazed his last year, to the point all his 'homies' had to come down and give him support on the sidelines during games. Even his boys were saying he didn't look the same. He looked defeated the whole year, especially the first-half against Carolina, until Tony Romo bailed him out.

And we are better of now, how exactly.

 

[wileedog]

It's just funny to me that the great, overhauled, ready-to-win team that Parcells left was... 9-7.

The completely wrecked team that was a complete embarrassment to all of football in 2008 was... 9-7.

The earlier one was with Romo starting his first half season and Ware still learning his position. It was without a $50M right guard and featured Julius Jones as the starting RB. They came within a field goal muff of winning a playoff game. They needed a few pieces and some maturity from some key guys to take the next step, and they almost did under Wade in 2007.

This team lost 3 straight to miss the playoffs, including an embarrassment in the 4thQ against Baltimore and a humiliation in Philly. THey are a fundamentally flawed football team not on the same page on offense, and lacking basic blocking and tackling skills. They are so distraught by this complete meltdown they are creating reality shows and rap videos at a record pace.

If you can't see the difference between the two directions the teams were/are heading I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Oh_Canada]

the 07 draft is turning out to be terrible.

Ken hamlin was a below average player this year.

he got hosed on 3 trades in the offseason.

He brought the three real boogeymen in the nfl into a great locker room.

Why does he not deserve critiscm. Guys like me loathe this style of managing, had he not brought in those three stooges even I wouldnt have a complaint about jerry because I would have believed he wised up. But he clearly hasnt.

the fact that you insult everyone else for even questioning what jerry has done in the last two years speaks volumes.

The 07 draft is still way to early to call...Folk is a pro bowler, Spencer is going to get better, Ball has contributed, while Stanback and Free have not been able to show what they can do due to injury or who is in front of them.

I think both sides are a little jaded in there thinking here. Jones is far from perfect, but to say he has been awful since Parcells left is a stretch to say the least. The '08 draft was tremendous, Roy Williams is a number one reciever (I think it is easy to say he overpaid in hindsight) and he prudently signed Zach Thomas for very little. He did take a risk in bringing in PacMan which ultimately backfired, but considering the price it was a worthwhile gamble in my opinion.

Parcells was not perfect to say the least, the wave of "Parcells" guys didn't go over too well either...Bledsoe, Vinny, MeShawn (yeah that guy who was kicked off his former team), Coleman, and Fabini weren't exactly moves that will conjure up images of Bill Walsh...and people forget he signed criminals like Leonardo Carson and Jermaine Brooks both of whom weren't exactly choir boys early on his tenure.

The problem Jones (with the help of Parcells) has now is that he has accumaulated too much talent with very large egos and a coach who can't manage those egos....if he can correct that issue I think the detractors might start to second guess they're criticism of Jerrah.

 

[khiladi]

And we are better of now, how exactly.

That isn't the argument... We aren't worse off are we? We would need four years to determine that... Wade Phillips has done more record wise that Parcells did in two years...

 

[khiladi]

Yes it's about expectations, agreed. But to expect to go to the SB with the Jerry Jones school of GMing cast was crazy. We had zero QBs. Start there.
Parcells arrived with not one QB. EMMITT Smith was his RB. I love EMMITT but cmon.

Larry Allen still starting.
Woody Dantzler
Mario Edwards

See where this is going?

He cleaned up the cesspool and pointed us right where we needed to go.
Then Jones signed the likes of............ well you know.

Back to the cesspool, and it only took GM Jerry two years to get back.

Actually, the cess-pool was cleaned up in part, by Jerry. By the time BP came on board, Dallas was in a position to actually sign players, because they weren't bound by the back-loaded contracts that plagued the Cowboys, since the end days of the dynasty of past.... From a financial stan-point, Jerry had everything clean for BP to start afresh....