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[khiladi]

the nfc east was the toughest part of the schedule.

Again you need to do much better than this and at least get some facts straight.

The eagles went to the nfc championsip in 02, on their way they beat the nyg in the playoffs.

so going into the 07 season the east had 2 playoff teams, going into the 03 season the east had 2 playoff teams.

and the giants were a sb favorite heading into 03.

seriously, do some research.

You need to get your facts straight. Your not answering the question.

How weak was the Cowboys schedule the year the Cowboys went 10-6 with Bill Parcells? I did not ask you what the toughest part of their schedule was. I asked you how weak was the Cowboys schedule that year? And further, the NFC East being the toughest part of their schedule, doesn't mean it was tough.

The New York Giants were 4-12 the year Bill Parcells took over as coach. The Washington Commanders were 5-11. Like I said, the NFC East was absolutely pathetic that year. 4 of the Cowboys ten wins, came against these losers.

 

[theebs]

You need to get your facts straight. And your not answering the question.

How weak was the Cowboys schedule the year the Cowboys went 10-6 with Bill Parcells?

The New York Giants were 4-12 the year Bill Parcells took over as coach. The Washington Commanders were 5-11. Like I said, the NFC East was absolutely pathetic that year. 4 of the Cowboys ten wins, came against these losers.

the schedule was not weak, because of injuries the qb's we played ended up giving us an advantage.

I have never said anything different, 03 was not a team ready to win.

the east had two playoff teams in 03, just like 02, 05,06,07,08.

and my facts are straight, your the one just making crap up to fit your agenda. I mean you just told we played a 3-4 in year 2 which was 04...I mean come on..get your stuff together,

 

[Oh_Canada]

07 class maybe is too early to tell but given how much many of them contributed in their rookie season I would say the odds are very good that these players will continue to develop into top pros. I'm not going to come down on BP I think he was needed but there are many picks that he helped to select that did not pan out and FA that did not work.

I agree with you...my point is that both Parcells and Jones have there warts, but they have also brought in a number of very good players to the team, it's up to Jones and Wade now to make it work. Unfortunately I think Wade is not the best man to reign in all the egos on this team.

 

[wileedog]

You need to get your facts straight. And your not answering the question.

How weak was the Cowboys schedule the year the Cowboys went 10-6 with Bill Parcells?

The New York Giants were 4-12 the year Bill Parcells took over as coach. The Washington Commanders were 5-11. Like I said, the NFC East was absolutely pathetic that year. 4 of the Cowboys ten wins, came against these losers.

It was no easier than the schedule we went 15-33 against the 3 seasons prior.

Seriously, go to any other team's message board and ask them which coach they would rather have running their team, Bill Parcells or Wade Phillips. Make sure to tell them how strongly you feel that Wade completely out coached Parcells in his first two years here.

Then link it please, the laughter will be hysterical.

 

[khiladi]

Romo went to the Pro Bowl in his first season starting and was undoubtedly one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in the league that year. WTH are you talking about maximizing his potential? He was way way worse this year with turnovers and stupid decisions. The biggest Romo homers in the world will tell you he regressed this year, and it wasn't because of injuries.

Roy Williams also went to the Pro-Bowl.... Tony Romo only broke 300 twice, with Parcells as the coach. He only threw that many yards against the Cardinals and Detroit, two pathetic defensive teams. Otherwise, he was sniffing the mid-250s, and he was healthy.

That is not the numebrs of a top 3-4 QB...

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree with you...my point is that both Parcells and Jones have there warts, but they have also brought in a number of very good players to the team, it's up to Jones and Wade now to make it work. Unfortunately I think Wade is not the best man to reign in all the egos on this team.

We will find out Wade will enter his 3rd season with the team I think any coach hired should get at least 3 years to prove himself. Thus far 13-3 and 9-7

 

[khiladi]

the schedule was not weak, because of injuries the qb's we played ended up giving us an advantage.

I have never said anything different, 03 was not a team ready to win.

the east had two playoff teams in 03, just like 02, 05,06,07,08.

and my facts are straight, your the one just making crap up to fit your agenda. I mean you just told we played a 3-4 in year 2 which was 04...I mean come on..get your stuff together,

Wow... The Giants won 5 games and the Commanders won 4 games, and your saying the NFC East was not weak, let alone their schedule... WHo is making crap up?

 

[theebs]

Roy Williams also went to the Pro-Bowl.... Tony Romo only broke 300 twice, with Parcells as the coach. He only threw that many yards against the Cardinals and Detroit, two pathetic defensive teams. Otherwise, he was sniffing the mid-250s, and he was healthy.

That is not the numebrs of a top 3-4 QB...

again good grief. I think u disqualified yourself from this conversation.

 

[khiladi]

It was no easier than the schedule we went 15-33 against the 3 seasons prior.

Seriously, go to any other team's message board and ask them which coach they would rather have running their team, Bill Parcells or Wade Phillips. Make sure to tell them how strongly you feel that Wade completely out coached Parcells in his first two years here.

Then link it please, the laughter will be hysterical.

Ah, Ok... when you can't discount the numbers, you say, go to the forums and see what other people think... I get it...

 

[khiladi]

again good grief. I think u disqualified yourself from this conversation.

Wow... The numbers say TR didnt throw over 300 yards but twice, was healthy the whole season, which shows his potential wasn't maximized, and you tell me this... impressive...

 

[theebs]

Wow... The numbers say TR didnt throw over 300 yards but twice, was healthy the whole season, which shows his potential wasn't maximized, and you tell me this... impressive...

yes it was, very much so.

Unlike you apparently I realize that those individual statistics dont measure all things. Says alot that you think this highly if individual stats.

the team jumped from a middle of the road team to a serious contender.

Two of the games we lost in 06 were lost in the craziest fashion you will ever see. One was the playoff game obviously, you know the game where romo led the team right down the field for the winning score only to have a first down overturned and then the snap botched.

and the other was the Commanders field goal block debacle. the field goal was set up by a terrific throw from romo to witten, just like the romo to witten throw that led to the field goal to beat ny.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree Jerry was right in forcing Wade to take over the defense, but it scares the bejeebus out of me that Jerry wants to stick with a HC who could not come to that conclusion himself.

One shred of evidence of this? You have no proof much less a clue of what Jerry did or did not do as a result of these things. Clearly my backside.

I also have no issue with Jerry giving Wade 3 years. Nothing is ever as good or as bad as it seems and at the end of the day if you go through coaches every year you are going to end up having no one wanting to coach for you. If I were a coach I would take note that he isn't panicking after one bad year.

We aren't bringing Pac back because his on the field performance wasn't all that. He was a marginal/poor PR and he got suspended which means he wasn't on the field. No wait we did it because he was the boogeyman and was destroying our locker room.

It was a 6th which went up from a 7th when we added Ayodele. Sounds a bout right to me.

Anderson is a starter and Folk goes to probowls and is one of the top 5 kickers in the league. Ill take that from 5th and 6th rounders every year.

Stanback was a project WR in the fourth round. How was that stupid?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yes it was, very much so.

Unlike you apparently I realize that those individual statistics dont measure all things. Says alot that you think this highly if individual stats.

the team jumped from a middle of the road team to a serious contender.

Two of the games we lost in 06 were lost in the craziest fashion you will ever see. One was the playoff game obviously, you know the game where romo led the team right down the field for the winning score only to have a first down overturned and then the snap botched.

and the other was the Commanders field goal block debacle. the field goal was set up by a terrific throw from romo to witten, just like the romo to witten throw that led to the field goal to beat ny.

Wholistic numbers don't mean much to you either it looks like. 9-7 shouldn't translate to your meltdown.

And really if youre going to criticize someone for looking at individual stats you really shouldn't try and point to two plays to make a point. Its a bit contradictory.

 

[theebs]

Wow... The Giants won 5 games and the Commanders won 4 games, and your saying the NFC East was not weak, let alone their schedule... WHo is making crap up?

By the end of the year the giants had fallen apart and the Commanders were again a garbage team.

But the giants were superbowl favorites along with the eagles that year and the eagles went to the nfc championship again.

the schedule wasnt garbage, the qbs we ended up playing because of injuries were.

even still at that, we beat a good giants team at the time on the road and a very good carolina team at home. With quincy carter and troy hambrick. Says alot.

Everything about 03 was a flukey thing, but most wining seasons have that element.

 

[theebs]

Wholistic numbers don't mean much to you either it looks like. 9-7 shouldn't translate to your meltdown.

again, as I have said many times, if we were 9-7 with the team operating as one unit and coming up short by just getting beat that is fine. that is sports, you root for a team they will lose or be average more times than not.

But when you go 9-7 with the nonsense this organization brought on itself, it is an indicator of serious internal problems.

Please remember this next time you come on and insult me about parcells being 9-7 twice.

And really if youre going to criticize someone for looking at individual stats you really shouldn't try and point to two plays to make a point. Its a bit contradictory.

what>? those were two of the craziest plays you will ever see. They dont happen often and if they hadnt happened, we go 10-6 and win a playoff game.

and the skins game was lost on a special teams mistake, an alignment mistake by Jason Witten.

and Aint it funny how When we lost to Washington on that special teams mistake, Bill Parcells was blamed by fans and the media and he accepted the blame.....

but when an alignment mistake is made by the 08 cowboys on a punt, Bruce Read gets the blame, that is quite a coincidence isn't it?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

again, as I have said many times, if we were 9-7 with the team operating as one unit and coming up short by just getting beat that is fine. that is sports, you root for a team they will lose or be average more times than not.

But when you go 9-7 with the nonsense this organization brought on itself, it is an indicator of serious internal problems.

Please remember this next time you come on and insult me about parcells being 9-7 twice.

Like I said your meltdown. Lets panic at the boogeyman because the pied pipers say so.

We had poor run defense at the end of the Baltimore game and we panicked after giving up an early TD and then two red zone turnovers for 6 on sequential possessions. OMG, lets make a bunch of garbage in our heads. Werder, Galloway and JJT confirm it OMG.

For all of our 'problems' we went 9-7 and barely missed the playoffs. If we were the Commanders or the Bengals then I could see this but you're just one of the immolation squad having a meltdown.

 

[theebs]

Like I said your meltdown. Lets panic at the boogeyman because the pied pipers say so.

We had poor run defense at the end of the Baltimore game and we panicked after giving up an early TD and then two red zone turnovers for 6 on sequential possessions. OMG, lets make a bunch of garbage in our heads. Werder, Galloway and JJT confirm it OMG.

For all of our 'problems' we went 9-7 and barely missed the playoffs. If we were the Commanders or the Bengals then I could see this but you're just one of the immolation squad having a meltdown.

A. I am not having a meltdown.

and I love how you pose questions, get specific answers with examples and then ignore that and move onto the next insult!!!

hooray for you.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what>? those were two of the craziest plays you will ever see. They dont happen often and if they hadnt happened, we go 10-6 and win a playoff game.

and the skins game was lost on a special teams mistake, an alignment mistake by Jason Witten.

and Aint it funny how When we lost to Washington on that special teams mistake, Bill Parcells was blamed by fans and the media and he accepted the blame.....

but when an alignment mistake is made by the 08 cowboys on a punt, Bruce Read gets the blame, that is quite a coincidence isn't?

No Bruce Read gets the blame for the body of work that his units produced over two years. When it happens over and over again that is one thing.

I could care less about a coach taking blame IN A PRESS CONFERENCE. They all do it.

Lucky and/or unlucky breaks happen both ways. I am sure at some point during the season we got a call tha turned a game in our favor just the same. Looking at two plays doesn't show much more about a season than one persons stats. At least the stats are a larger sample size.

 

[theebs]

No Bruce Read gets the blame for the body of work that his units produced over two years. When it happens over and over again that is one thing.

I could care less about a coach taking blame IN A PRESS CONFERENCE. They all do it.

Lucky and/or unlucky breaks happen both ways. I am sure at some point during the season we got a call tha turned a game in our favor just the same. Looking at two plays doesn't show much more about a season than one persons stats. At least the stats are a larger sample size.

umm. Not all of them do it.

your right though, those plays from the seattle and washington games happen every week.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

A. I am not having a meltdown.

and I love how you pose questions, get specific answers with examples and then ignore that and move onto the next insult!!!

hooray for you.

If a mod is reading this can I please actually insult him so he can get a feel of what it is.

And I am sorry but "the nonsense this organization brought on itself, it is an indicator of serious internal problems" as you say is not specific. I addressed it with "panic at the boogeyman because the pied pipers say so."