News: BTB: What Will The Cowboys Do At The Cornerback Position?

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OScan, Jones and yes even Claiborne are worth keeping. I have no idea what kind of contract Claiborne will muster. If it is manageable then keep the guy. Let the other guys compete and draft a couple of long DBs to compete.
 

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Both Hayward and Johnson are good options.

If Mo is dirt cheap, you might as well. I wouldn't mind if he left but you have to hedge risk in this league. Sucks but that's life in the NFL.

I don't think any secondary players are worth the #4 pick. There's a lot of guys in the 2-4 rounds that look like they can play in this scheme. I think a secondary overhaul is in order. Give me two guys in the draft, a safety and a corner that can track a ball and tackle.

We have 5 picks in 4 rounds. A QB, RB, and at least one talented player in the secondary. Get some talent back there to build on. Guys that have a history of turnovers. The Saints and Packers both showed your defense can be atrocious and you can still win a Super Bowl as long as you force some turnovers.
 

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The Cowboys have had miserable luck drafting CBs. Since they drafted Kevin Smith in 92 they've only come of with one solid corner in the draft since Terence Newman in 03. There's been a string of busts at that position from Dwyane Goodrich to Morris Claiborne. Several years ago the team drafted 3 CBs and none of them panned out.
 

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How could he be best player available when people are divided on what is his best position?

Your question doesn't make sense. Being a potential lockdown corner or do everything safety...both...probably adds to his appeal...not detract from it.

You make it sound like versatility is a curse.
 

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The Cowboys have had miserable luck drafting CBs. Since they drafted Kevin Smith in 92 they've only come of with one solid corner in the draft since Terence Newman in 03. There's been a string of busts at that position from Dwyane Goodrich to Morris Claiborne. Several years ago the team drafted 3 CBs and none of them panned out.
You think the scouting personnel from 92 through today....24 years...is the same? Such a meaningless thing to point to. Especially when Jones just had a very good rookie season.
 

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Your question doesn't make sense. Being a potential lockdown corner or do everything safety...both...probably adds to his appeal...not detract from it.

You make it sound like versatility is a curse.

If he were a "lockdown corner", nobody would be saying a word about him going to safety. His stock would be through the roof and he would be a lot more highly regarded than he is.

In this case, people are viewing his versatility as a plus. I don't see it that way.

Would you spend the 4th choice in this draft on a Byron Jones clone?
 

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You think the scouting personnel from 92 through today....24 years...is the same? Such a meaningless thing to point to. Especially when Jones just had a very good rookie season.

It's never meaningless looking back at a teams drafting history. The more things have changed over the years the more things have remained the same at the CB position. Not even Jones looked very good at corner this season giving up some big plays but he looked solid at safety and that appears to be his position.
 

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If he were a "lockdown corner", nobody would be saying a word about him going to safety. His stock would be through the roof and he would be a lot more highly regarded than he is.

In this case, people are viewing his versatility as a plus. I don't see it that way.

Would you spend the 4th choice in this draft on a Byron Jones clone?

More highly regarded? Dude is considered a top 5 pick.

And in case you aren't aware....Safety is a position that has become increasingly important in this league with pass catching tight ends. See Seahawks, Seattle

And comparing Ramsey and Jones as clones of each other isn't helping you seem informed.
 

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It's never meaningless looking back at a teams drafting history. The more things have changed over the years the more things have remained the same at the CB position. Not even Jones looked very good at corner this season giving up some big plays but he looked solid at safety and that appears to be his position.
Answer the question. Do you think the scouting personnel has been the same over the last quarter century?
 

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More highly regarded? Dude is considered a top 5 pick.

And in case you aren't aware....Safety is a position that has become increasingly important in this league with pass catching tight ends. See Seahawks, Seattle

And comparing Ramsey and Jones as clones of each other isn't helping you seem informed.

Nor is your inability to speak to the player other than to say "dood is a top five pick".
 

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Answer the question. Do you think the scouting personnel has been the same over the last quarter century?

Of course it hasn't but apparently the scouting personnel we hire have the same formula for drafting CBs that the previous scouting personnel had because none have panned out since Terence Newman.
 

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no DB is worth a top 5 pick,that is just insanity.I woudlnt draft any in the first RD,try to resign Mo and carr and go after a big FA.
 

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If Ramsey is BPA at 4 you take him.

How could he be best player available when people are divided on what is his best position?

I agree in part with @Alexaner but is this guy your BPA? And do you want to take a CB with your very high 1? Look at the success of some teams drafting long CBs in the middle rounds. This is the best bang for the buck. There are no shutdown corners anymore. And if there were he ain't.
 

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I agree in part with @Alexaner but is this guy your BPA? And do you want to take a CB with your very high 1? Look at the success of some teams drafting long CBs in the middle rounds. This is the best bang for the buck. There are no shutdown corners anymore. And if there were he ain't.

Funny thing is, he's not even the hands down best corner. He has a reputation for being pretty good, but nobody is talking about Ramsey like he is some sort of elite Revis-type that can take away his man. Some think he might be a good safety, but he has never proven to be elite there either.

How on earth does that make for the fifth best player in the draft?

It is like they are recruiting him out of high school. Good "athlete" but not really sure what to do with him.
 

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If he were a "lockdown corner", nobody would be saying a word about him going to safety. His stock would be through the roof and he would be a lot more highly regarded than he is.

In this case, people are viewing his versatility as a plus. I don't see it that way.

Would you spend the 4th choice in this draft on a Byron Jones clone?

Agreed
If Ramsey is BPA on our board at 4, we need to fire all the scouts
 
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