News: BTB: What Will The Cowboys Do At The Cornerback Position?

Alexander

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For you BPA guys, answer this for me. If the Cowboys are up at 4 and Tunsil is the BPA do you take him? You get to the second round and the BPA is C Nick Martin do you take him? In the third round the BPA is a RG, do you take him?

I think it is a term that sounds good to say, especially when things work out, but when it comes down to actually sticking to it, most teams don't.

Even the teams that say they do this really do not. It just appears that way in retrospect.

And it sounds great the next day when you are talking about your picks. "We took the best player available on our board".
 

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I think it is a term that sounds good to say, especially when things work out, but when it comes down to actually sticking to it, most teams don't.

Even the teams that say they do this really do not. It just appears that way in retrospect.

And it sounds great the next day when you are talking about your picks. "We took the best player available on our board".

I agree with this, people on here keep saying BPA over and over, but you can't just do that in all cases.It sounds good but its not reality.
 

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We'd better address this, after watching this weekends games I wonder how did 2 of the worst corners in the NFL end up on the same team.
 

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Take CBs in both rounds 1 and 2, jettison Carr and Claiborne, and let the rookies learn, play, and develop.
 

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Take CBs in both rounds 1 and 2, jettison Carr and Claiborne, and let the rookies learn, play, and develop.

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For you BPA guys, answer this for me. If the Cowboys are up at 4 and Tunsil is the BPA do you take him? You get to the second round and the BPA is C Nick Martin do you take him? In the third round the BPA is a RG, do you take him?

I was messing with that draft simulator site, and a similar scenario came up.
1. Tunsil OT
2. Jaylen Smith OLB (injured)
3. Nick Martin C
Those were the BPA when I used the simulator. If those 3 players were taken, would you be happy?

It would depend on what was left on the board, but adding talents like Tunsil and Smith would not hurt you at all. Both would be significant upgrades (Tunsil at RT, Smith at MLB or OLB, but you'd have to wait a season). I am not a Nick Martin fan - he is not powerful enough.
 
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Sign one in FA. There is always a Terrance Knighton, BJ Raji, etc type floating around for $4-5M a year.

Yes, they are always there. But then they come to Marinelli, apparently he is like the Mikey kid from the Life cereal commercials.
 

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More worried about lb core. Most defenses consist of good dline and lb core.
 

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I agree in part with @Alexaner but is this guy your BPA? And do you want to take a CB with your very high 1? Look at the success of some teams drafting long CBs in the middle rounds. This is the best bang for the buck. There are no shutdown corners anymore. And if there were he ain't.

This (in bold) is what it comes down to this April. If he is the second coming of Ed Reed, then absolutely pull the trigger at 4. I don't think he is, though. I would still go for the two top QBs or Elliot at 4, or drop down to 10 or 11 and take a S, LB, DT, WR, or DE.
 

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Sign one in FA. There is always a Terrance Knighton, BJ Raji, etc type floating around for $4-5M a year.

You can say the same about backup QB, starting safety or any position that is not highly valued. Except this D scheme requires a dominant 3 tech that produces double digit scks and/or QB pressures to have success. If by DT you mean NT or 1 tech, then the Cowboys will not draft one never mind paying more than vet min for one. Not with Marinelli as DC, and this coming from someone who loves Marinelli.

Take CBs in both rounds 1 and 2, jettison Carr and Claiborne, and let the rookies learn, play, and develop.

Even w/out Carr and Claiborne, Cowboys already paid Scandrick and drafted a corner with first pick in last draft. 1st and 2nd round picks are expected to be starters. I also liked what we saw in Deji Olatoye and Terrence Mitchell. Both big physical versatile corners who look to make plays on the ball. Cowboys need to improve the middle of the D, from the safeties to the Mike to the DTs. This is the area that must have the most playmakers.
 

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In 2012, the Cowboys went all-in at attempting to enhance their secondary during the offseason. Could the Cowboys make another big push towards boosting the cornerback position during the 2016 offseason?

When you put the position groups of the Dallas Cowboys under the microscope, what do you see? What are the areas that cause you the most concern?

The scar left from not having a viable option at backup quarterback is pretty noticeable. But Tony Romo will be back next season and when he's on the field, the Cowboys are sitting well at QB. Despite the ineptitude on offense in 2015, the Cowboys have aces all around them. Tony Romo (QB), Dez Bryant (WR), Jason Witten (TE), Tyron Smith (LT), Travis Frederick (C), Zack Martin (G) - all aces.

On defense, the Cowboys made some good strides as they were able to thwart the movement of the opposing offense, especially against the pass. The pass defense improved by 30 yards a game going from 28th in 2014 to 6th in 2015. The Cowboys have some good pieces in place.

Sean Lee (LB), DeMarcus Lawrence (DE), Tyrone Crawford (DT), Byron Jones (S) are all keepers.

Rookie Byron Jones is a safety/corner hybrid, but he seemed a lot more comfortable at the safety position. So that leaves the cornerback position as the one spot where the Cowboys have some real questions.

KEEP WHAT YOU'VE GOT


Orlando Scandrick has been a solid piece at the corner position for the last few seasons. Scandrick is 28 years old and the Cowboys have $15 million invested in him over the next four seasons. But how will he be able to perform after returning from knee surgery last August?

The Cowboys will have tough decisions to make regarding Morris Claiborne and Brandon Carr. Do they give Clairborne a second contract? Is it time to cut their losses with Carr?

In a recent interview on 105.3, former Cowboys cornerback Everson Walls weighed in on the current cornerback position.


"To me, [Claiborne] is the most solid one that played last year. That's sad really. He didn't get any interceptions. He did make some plays on the ball a lot. A lot of incomplete passes came his way, but when you look at how he played, it made Carr's play look even worse. I don't think Carr tackled anybody or anything."

Ouch. To be fair, Carr did tackle some people, but you can't blame Walls for being unimpressed. Brandon Carr has been a $25 million cap hit for the Cowboys over the last two seasons and during that time he has a grand total of zero interceptions.

If Dallas doesn't keep these guys, they may need to dance around in the free agent market.

FREE AGENTS


Trumaine Johnson (Rams)

Janoris Jenkins is the Los Angeles Rams top free agent corner, but Johnson has established himself as a strong cover corner in this league. In just his fourth season, he has shown consistent improvement from year to year. 2015 was a breakout season for the young corner as he was 3rd in the NFL this season with seven interceptions, and finished 4th with 24 pass break-ups.

Casey Hayward (Packers)

Over the last couple of years, the Green Bay Packers made a big commitment to beefing up their secondary through the draft as they have taken defensive backs with three of the four picks they've had in the first two rounds. Ha-Ha Clinton Dix (Round 1, 2014), Damarius Randall (Round 1, 2015) and Quinten Rollins (Round 2, 2015) give the Pack a young core of pass defenders. Add Sam Shields and Morgan Burnett to the mix and Green Bay suddenly has plenty of depth.

This means Hayward could be expendable. He's just a pup himself at the young age of 26 and is very good at sticking the coverage. Could he be the type of low-cost option the Cowboys might be interested in going after?

DRAFT


The Cowboys may choose to take one of the elite stud corners in April's draft as there are a couple of options that look very appealing. Here are the strengths of the boys from Florida according to CBS Sports:

Jalen Ramsey (Florida State)


Ramsey has gliding athleticism with long strides and fluid change of direction skills, staying controlled in his pedal transition and collecting himself with ease in small spaces. He has above average anticipation, vision and instincts, seeing the field extremely well with uncanny awareness and timing to create turnovers and get his hands on the ball.

He closes in a blink and wraps well as a willing run defender. He shows outstanding dip and bend as an edge blitzer, using his long arms to knock down passes and bat the ball when lined up near the line of scrimmage.

Vernon Hargreaves III (Florida)


It is hard not to gush about Hargreaves as he combines quickness, balance and route-recognition to excel in coverage with rare physicality and open-field tackling ability to be just as effective in run support and when blitzing off the corner. He possesses good size for the position with a compact, athletic frame.

When lining up in press man coverage, Hargreaves gets a stiff initial punch in on the receiver at the snap and shows good balance and light feet dropping into coverage, fluidly changing direction and the acceleration to remain in the hip pocket of receivers. He's equally effective in off coverage, reading the quarterback's eyes and breaking quickly downhill to disrupt passes. Hargreaves' lack of height is mitigated by impressive body control, timing and competitiveness in jump-ball situations. He possesses excellent hand-eye coordination to slap the ball away as it arrives as well as good hands for the interception (six in two seasons).

Scouts will also appreciate that unlike some of the other highly regarded defensive backs throughout the country, Hargreaves is far from just a cover corner. He's very aggressive in run support, fighting his way through blocks and showing zero hesitation in taking on bigger ballcarriers. On most occasions, Hargreaves makes the effective stop, often significantly cutting short the yards gained in impressive fashion.

There are definitely some great choices for the Cowboys when it comes to addressing this position. It should be interesting to see how they go about it.

What would you do?

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I would love to have either Rams corner, Jenkins or Johnson.

The thing that concerns me is, are they just getting the benefit of an elite DL?
 

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In 2012, the Cowboys went all-in at attempting to enhance their secondary during the offseason. Could the Cowboys make another big push towards boosting the cornerback position during the 2016 offseason?

When you put the position groups of the Dallas Cowboys under the microscope, what do you see? What are the areas that cause you the most concern?

The scar left from not having a viable option at backup quarterback is pretty noticeable. But Tony Romo will be back next season and when he's on the field, the Cowboys are sitting well at QB. Despite the ineptitude on offense in 2015, the Cowboys have aces all around them. Tony Romo (QB), Dez Bryant (WR), Jason Witten (TE), Tyron Smith (LT), Travis Frederick (C), Zack Martin (G) - all aces.

On defense, the Cowboys made some good strides as they were able to thwart the movement of the opposing offense, especially against the pass. The pass defense improved by 30 yards a game going from 28th in 2014 to 6th in 2015. The Cowboys have some good pieces in place.

Sean Lee (LB), DeMarcus Lawrence (DE), Tyrone Crawford (DT), Byron Jones (S) are all keepers.

Rookie Byron Jones is a safety/corner hybrid, but he seemed a lot more comfortable at the safety position. So that leaves the cornerback position as the one spot where the Cowboys have some real questions.

KEEP WHAT YOU'VE GOT


Orlando Scandrick has been a solid piece at the corner position for the last few seasons. Scandrick is 28 years old and the Cowboys have $15 million invested in him over the next four seasons. But how will he be able to perform after returning from knee surgery last August?

The Cowboys will have tough decisions to make regarding Morris Claiborne and Brandon Carr. Do they give Clairborne a second contract? Is it time to cut their losses with Carr?

In a recent interview on 105.3, former Cowboys cornerback Everson Walls weighed in on the current cornerback position.


"To me, [Claiborne] is the most solid one that played last year. That's sad really. He didn't get any interceptions. He did make some plays on the ball a lot. A lot of incomplete passes came his way, but when you look at how he played, it made Carr's play look even worse. I don't think Carr tackled anybody or anything."

Ouch. To be fair, Carr did tackle some people, but you can't blame Walls for being unimpressed. Brandon Carr has been a $25 million cap hit for the Cowboys over the last two seasons and during that time he has a grand total of zero interceptions.

If Dallas doesn't keep these guys, they may need to dance around in the free agent market.

FREE AGENTS


Trumaine Johnson (Rams)

Janoris Jenkins is the Los Angeles Rams top free agent corner, but Johnson has established himself as a strong cover corner in this league. In just his fourth season, he has shown consistent improvement from year to year. 2015 was a breakout season for the young corner as he was 3rd in the NFL this season with seven interceptions, and finished 4th with 24 pass break-ups.

Casey Hayward (Packers)

Over the last couple of years, the Green Bay Packers made a big commitment to beefing up their secondary through the draft as they have taken defensive backs with three of the four picks they've had in the first two rounds. Ha-Ha Clinton Dix (Round 1, 2014), Damarius Randall (Round 1, 2015) and Quinten Rollins (Round 2, 2015) give the Pack a young core of pass defenders. Add Sam Shields and Morgan Burnett to the mix and Green Bay suddenly has plenty of depth.

This means Hayward could be expendable. He's just a pup himself at the young age of 26 and is very good at sticking the coverage. Could he be the type of low-cost option the Cowboys might be interested in going after?

DRAFT


The Cowboys may choose to take one of the elite stud corners in April's draft as there are a couple of options that look very appealing. Here are the strengths of the boys from Florida according to CBS Sports:

Jalen Ramsey (Florida State)


Ramsey has gliding athleticism with long strides and fluid change of direction skills, staying controlled in his pedal transition and collecting himself with ease in small spaces. He has above average anticipation, vision and instincts, seeing the field extremely well with uncanny awareness and timing to create turnovers and get his hands on the ball.

He closes in a blink and wraps well as a willing run defender. He shows outstanding dip and bend as an edge blitzer, using his long arms to knock down passes and bat the ball when lined up near the line of scrimmage.

Vernon Hargreaves III (Florida)


It is hard not to gush about Hargreaves as he combines quickness, balance and route-recognition to excel in coverage with rare physicality and open-field tackling ability to be just as effective in run support and when blitzing off the corner. He possesses good size for the position with a compact, athletic frame.

When lining up in press man coverage, Hargreaves gets a stiff initial punch in on the receiver at the snap and shows good balance and light feet dropping into coverage, fluidly changing direction and the acceleration to remain in the hip pocket of receivers. He's equally effective in off coverage, reading the quarterback's eyes and breaking quickly downhill to disrupt passes. Hargreaves' lack of height is mitigated by impressive body control, timing and competitiveness in jump-ball situations. He possesses excellent hand-eye coordination to slap the ball away as it arrives as well as good hands for the interception (six in two seasons).

Scouts will also appreciate that unlike some of the other highly regarded defensive backs throughout the country, Hargreaves is far from just a cover corner. He's very aggressive in run support, fighting his way through blocks and showing zero hesitation in taking on bigger ballcarriers. On most occasions, Hargreaves makes the effective stop, often significantly cutting short the yards gained in impressive fashion.

There are definitely some great choices for the Cowboys when it comes to addressing this position. It should be interesting to see how they go about it.

What would you do?

Continue reading...

its time to cut the cord with Carr. if we lose both Claiborne and Carr, then secondary is very thin. Scandrick coming off injury is a big question mark. I think we need to resign claiborner and sign either trumane Johnson or casey Hayward. that gives us a lot of flexibility in the draft. I wouldn't mind drafting a CB with the 4th pick, or even trade down a few and get one of those two top CBs. team run a lot of 3, 4 WR sets these days and you need depth at CB. I really like ramsey because of his size, but would be happy with Hargreaves. I think Ramsey and Jones give us a lot of flexibility on defense, because they can play Corner or Saftey. if not then a MLB or DT would also do wonders for this defense. unless Goff drops to 4th for some reason, in which case, then you take him.
 

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CB is the most interesting position for Dallas.
We have two returning starters to deal with in some fashion while the 3rd is returning from serious injury.

Good FA options exist but how good will those options be when contracts are announced?
I really would prefer not to get "Carr'd" again. Buying these guys at their most expensive while you are desperate is a real worry.

I'd like to have Mo back because I think he has the exact opposite situation. I don't think his value has ever been or will be lower.
He may be a 3rd CB but as a 3rd guy you bring in to play passing downs he can lock down.
We paid OScan IIRC 19m for that role once upon a time. I'd love to get Mo back as my 3rd CB.

1st and 2nd CB? Dallas has a pretty good idea I suspect where OScan is. If truly healthy, hungry and fresh he is CB1.
If not 100% but heading that way he is probably CB2. I can use Mo in CB2 role is need be and might before I pay 8m+ per year for another ordinary CB.
And I don't see special in the market place.

Draft? CB is always on the list it seems and it's just up to the board falling that way. Moving around to get Mo at a good value hurt us. I am not making a desperate move for a CB this year.

BJones. He HAS to be a Safety for me. Too much value in his moving around and taking slot cover duties or back end protection or run support as needed. Let him use his athleticism as opposed to just locking horns with one guy all day outside the hashes. And of course we are truly awful at Safety without him.
 

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I would love to have either Rams corner, Jenkins or Johnson.

The thing that concerns me is, are they just getting the benefit of an elite DL?

yes, they are. that's natural.
my bigger concern is will they get a massive pay day.

neither guy is elite. they are a solid pair but the Rams gave up a middle of the raid passer rating and lots of passing yards this year.
 
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