Building through the draft

[Stash]

So you are hoping McFadden stays healthy? He couldnt even make it through the offseason without an injury. And morris who has been declining every year. Cool. behind this line Morris will do well, but no where near what Elliott can do. Also, McFadden had how many yards last year? Awesome. How many touchdowns did he have again? La'el Collins out ran him, sure, lets count on him to lead our rushing attack.

Do you find that reductio ad absurdum usually works in your favor during these debates?

Because it won't here.

 

[Sydla]

Del Rio wasnt happy about losing Mayowa, and that man knows his defensive players if anything. And do you remember where sherman was drafted? Hes been ballhawking in camp, and has turned a lot of heads. I dont know why people continue to use where someone is drafted against them. Its just my opinion.

Conversely, Del Rio was so impressed with Mayowa that he didn't log a ton of time in Oakland last year. And if you saw the video of Del Rio talking about Mayowa, he's wasn't exactly overly effusive in the guy. He said he liked him, and Dallas likes him a lot. If the Raiders thought he was a stud in waiting, they'd have matched our offer. They didn't. We all hope they whiffed and Mayowa is a stud.

And for every Sherman there are dozens of lower round CBs taken that bomb out. People use where a kid was picked because history gives you a pretty good indication of the success rate for a player. Very few 5th, 6th, 7th round guys go on to become great players. It happens, sure. But odds are a guy like Brown will not become the next Sherman. But if he becomes a good nickle guy for you and quality backup, that's a nice win for the franchise.

 

[CCBoy]

If that's where you get your kicks, starting arguments while pointing fingers, you accomplished everything you set out to do.

Here, try these on:

 

[Stash]

Here, try these on:

You're in great form starting trouble with everybody on the board. I guess your most recent 'time out' didn't sink in, did it?

 

[phildadon86]

Do you find that reductio ad absurdum usually works in your favor during these debates?

Because it won't here.

Do you find trying to use big words to belittle fellow debaters makes you feel better about yourself? Because it doesnt bother me. The fact that you can sit here and curse the orginzation you follow for picking a guy 4th overall over an overrated CB who already had surgery this season, and has bust written all over him and calling it a bad pick is your OPINION. Tell me, if Ramsey flames out and busts, and Elliott kills it which he most likely will, will you be upset at the pick? If he leads us to a superbowl, i assume you will stay out of the celebration and condemn our stupid front office for taking the "luxury pick"? Fact of the matter is, McFadden has had 2, TWO healthy seasons in his career and is 30 years old. You want to bank on him and Morris helping our offense? Morris cant catch, so hes a situational back at best. So tell me, McFadden goes down, Morris cant catch or protect Romo, will a defensive player in his rookie year really help us win games? If you say yes, you are either delusional or just dont want to admit that the team is heading in the right direction.

 

[Seven]

Apparently. Be cool or be cast out.

Subdivisions..................

 

[CCBoy]

You're in great form starting trouble with everybody on the board. I guess your most recent 'time out' didn't sink in, did it?

Take care of your own business...a picture for cancer awareness was involved, for the record.

oh, and not into ruby red slippers, also...one can see

 

[bkeavs]

Because you can't see the changes taking place over the last few years that are setting the team up for consistent success.

i do see some positives but keep in mind we are one Romo bad fall from being a really bad football team for a few years

 

[Stash]

Take care of your own business

I do that just fine, thanks. I give as I get. Don't start none, won't be none.

..a picture for cancer awareness was involved, for the record.

oh, and not into ruby red slippers, also...one can see

I don't need to know any details, only that it happened.

 

[CCBoy]

Do you find that reductio ad absurdum usually works in your favor during these debates?

Because it won't here.

 

[CCBoy]

I do that just fine, thanks. I give as I get. Don't start none, won't be none.



I don't need to know any details, only that it happened.

See there, one can also convince himself that he is happy...whether true or not.

Funny, when notice was taken to already being knee deep in name calling, not topic development...

The Cowboy defense will rely upon a strong rotation and players proving themselves this season. But be good at it as well...

 

[JPostSam]

Going to quibble with this. Yes, we have Romo but the Cowboys are trying to sell Showers, Moore and Prescott as legitimate options. That's exactly the same as Quncy-Henson-Hutchinson when one realizes Romo has a pretty short shelf life of a few years.

they are selling them as legitimate *short-term back-up/developmental* options, which they are.

this is an improvement over selling those moonshots as legitimate *long-term starters*, which they were not.

 

[JPostSam]

i do see some positives but keep in mind we are one Romo bad fall from being a really bad football team for a few years

if aaron rodgers goes down, how good are the packers?

who's backing up drew brees? philip rivers? big ben?

jeff hostetler saving the giants, and tom brady saving the patriots, are aberrations.

NO ONE is prepared to lose their starting quarterback.

make like elsa and let it go.

 

[CWR]

I completely agree. Its like the Cowboys are being run by an overzealous HOMER. You cant be a good GM of a good analyzer of your team or its chances if your mindset is that the glass is always full. Or even half full for that matter.

Lol yes I agree with that statement. Where I separate from alot of people though is I do, believe it or not think Jerry has made some positive changes in recent years. Not taking Manziel showed restraint we havent seen before. The cap has been managed in a more responsible manner also. The arguement for Garret I think is allowing your coach the opportunity to make his print on the franchise before rushing to fire him. I will not say I am thrilled with how the organization has been run but I will also not dismiss the positives. At this point I see a strong, young offensive line, a dline that has potential and several other young skill players. Romos successor is the biggest question mark, but how many of us would feel good about our future is we could find even a good not great QB to follow Romo. Garret needs to make his mark this year, hes had his opportunity, his team is built to his liking. If he fails the next head coach will be the second biggest hurdle Jerry faces.

 

[Nightman]

I understand, we will see how that pans out. But please talk to me if it does, I have to admit it confused me in the 2nd round bro.

If you are building thru the draft and a possible top 5 player is available at 34 and you have inside info on his surgery, it is a pretty good bet......I look at it as trading 34 for next years 3 overall without the cost.....if he spends the year on the NFI I think the team even gets the 4th year back....a true redshirt

 

[bkeavs]

if aaron rodgers goes down, how good are the packers?

who's backing up drew brees? philip rivers? big ben?

jeff hostetler saving the giants, and tom brady saving the patriots, are aberrations.

NO ONE is prepared to lose their starting quarterback.

make like elsa and let it go.

Aaron Rodgers doesnt have major back issues and 2 shoulder surgeries

Tomy Romo is more likely to be injured than the other QB's you mentioned therefore having either a backup in place or grooming someone to take his place is more critical than the others

 

[CowboyRoy]

Lol yes I agree with that statement. Where I separate from alot of people though is I do, believe it or not think Jerry has made some positive changes in recent years. Not taking Manziel showed restraint we havent seen before. The cap has been managed in a more responsible manner also. The arguement for Garret I think is allowing your coach the opportunity to make his print on the franchise before rushing to fire him. I will not say I am thrilled with how the organization has been run but I will also not dismiss the positives. At this point I see a strong, young offensive line, a dline that has potential and several other young skill players. Romos successor is the biggest question mark, but how many of us would feel good about our future is we could find even a good not great QB to follow Romo. Garret needs to make his mark this year, hes had his opportunity, his team is built to his liking. If he fails the next head coach will be the second biggest hurdle Jerry faces.

I can agree with most of that.

 

[CCBoy]

Aaron Rodgers doesnt have major back issues and 2 shoulder surgeries

Tomy Romo is more likely to be injured than the other QB's you mentioned therefore having either a backup in place or grooming someone to take his place is more critical than the others

Not so fast...age with Roethlisburger, Brees, and Brady?

 

[JPostSam]

Aaron Rodgers doesnt have major back issues and 2 shoulder surgeries

Tomy Romo is more likely to be injured than the other QB's you mentioned therefore having either a backup in place or grooming someone to take his place is more critical than the others

i agree... to a point.

brees and big ben have been hurt, and those teams still have no idea whether they have their heir apparent.

also, just because you draft a qb in the first round, it doesn't mean you've got a good one. ask cleveland.

there wasn't a whole lot that dallas could have done over the past year to guarantee what you want them to be able to guarantee -- which is either that romo will never get hurt again, or that a qb they brought in was going to be The One.

in the meantime, they have added what appear to be good players at a number of positions.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Other than finally figuring out that the OL has been a problem and committing to fix it, where are the rest of these "changes"?

All added to DL in the last 2 years: Collins, J. Crawford, Gregory, Irving, DLaw, Mayowa, T. McClain, Okoye, Russell, Tapper, Thornton. They may not be as established as the OL but that looks like a pretty big commitement to me.