Burger King on Dallas trading up

[Randy White]

I didn't hear Norv, what did he say?

I don't know. That's why I asked. I, too, missed him this morning and I was interested to find out what he thought about this rumor, if he's heard it.

 

[superpunk]

Ok, I'll believe my staff if they say that. But then, I'll turn around and ask them what do they think about the rest of the running backs. Who can they be compared to ? If the answer comes back as to the next " Marion Barber ", for example, then perhaps we do not need the next Eric Dickerson.

Two Marion Barbers, plus an extra #1 pick, plus an extra 20 + millions in cap space that would be used to set the franchise for many years to come is better than the next Eric Dickerson. At least for the Cowboys, at this particular moment.

That's very true.

I personally would prefer to just sit tight, draft some combination of McKelvin, Cromartie, Jones, Johnson, Slaton, etc. at our spot. But if the Cowboys believe McFadden is going to be the greatest running back of all time - and he certainly possesses RARE physical talents, then I support any move they make for him. Maybe it won't work out, but I couldn't fault them for trying.

 

[Randy White]

That's very true.

I personally would prefer to just sit tight, draft some combination of McKelvin, Cromartie, Jones, Johnson, Slaton, etc. at our spot. But if the Cowboys believe McFadden is going to be the greatest running back of all time - and he certainly possesses RARE physical talents, then I support any move they make for him. Maybe it won't work out, but I couldn't fault them for trying.

I'd certainly applaud the aggressiveness, but I can't support the action. Like someone said here ( or was it another thread ? ) I love Jerrah the owner, but Jerrah the personel decision maker can stay home and tend to the grandchildren.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

heard what Norm Hitzges had to say this morning ?

That's usually a somewhat reliable barometer into what the Jerrathor is thinking. I hope that this is just a one way street rumor from the Tuna's mouthpiece. I hope that Jerra is not stupid and considers that rumor an insult to his intelligence.

For the sake of our franchise, that better be the case.

No, what did he say?

If he's Emmitt, Barry, Bo, Dickerson....any trade is worth it.

It's just a question of having the means and balls to make that call.

Exactly. Funny how Starbucks Boy didn't mention Peterson in his examples of high RB picks. Or for that matter, Tony Dorsett. Anyone remember that trade up? We gave a LOT for the rights to #2 overall. Good thing Tex and Landry didn't worry so much about possibly looking bad that they passed up on a deal for a future Hall of Famer.

Personally, I think the whole thing is moot anyway, because we won't trade up that high. But trading up isn't *always" stupid, either. It just depends on how good the player turns out to be.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Yeah, you and about 8,000,000 other schmucks. Now, if you posess the means to guarantee his health forever, then you've got something.

Pay me enough money and I will guarantee anything.

 

[chinch]

Or really stupid to pass up the oppurtunity to strengthen weak places on the team like CB that could make a much bigger contribution to winning another SB.
Even if Mcfadden does what peterson did this year- and stayed healthy all 16 games- just how much more would we get then what we would have with MB3 and another good RB? NOWHERE as much as another top CB, or maybe a WR that will take the place of TG, both of which we could get as well as a very good back in the second rd.
AND THEN THERE IS THE SALARY CAP. A top pick costs WAY TOO MUCH.

Bingo.

we need CBs and a young/fast WR to compliment TO and Crayton.

not some unknown RB at #1 overall costing us two+ picks. (that jason g. wouldn't properly use anyways).

 

[starfrombirth]

No, what did he say?



Exactly. Funny how Starbucks Boy didn't mention Peterson in his examples of high RB picks. Or for that matter, Tony Dorsett. Anyone remember that trade up? We gave a LOT for the rights to #2 overall. Good thing Tex and Landry didn't worry so much about possibly looking bad that they passed up on a deal for a future Hall of Famer.

Personally, I think the whole thing is moot anyway, because we won't trade up that high. But trading up isn't *always" stupid, either. It just depends on how good the player turns out to be.

They didn't have to contend with the salary cap and could build a dynasty. Todays NFL is too evenly matched to put all your eggs in one basket. In those days our only competition was the Pittsburg Steelers. We routinely won the division and no one else was close. These days are NOT those days. Be well and love each other.

 

[vegas777]

A lot depends on what happens in free agency. If we sign Samuals at CB and a reciever, then maybe a trade up would be do able. We'd have covered our other needs.

Personally, with the depth at running back in this draft, trading from the bottom of the first round to the top doesn't make sense. The difference between McFadden and Felix Jones (so someone else at #22) isn't enough to warrant the move.

 

[PosterChild]

You mean he's slow ?

I do. Better to pick a quicker, faster guy, late 1st or even early-mid second. (Please refer to my nonexistent mock)

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The biggest reason I see standing in the way of a move up to #1 for McFadden is what it represents to our offense. In order for a move like that to pay off, I think you have to know, going into it, that this also represents a very large part of your offense. Essentially, it would represent a fundamental shift in our offensive philosophy. We are a throwing team. In order for a pick of McFadden to be worth the investment, I believe we would have to become a running team. That, to me, doesn't make much sense but hey, I guess we'll see.

 

[Randy White]

I do. Better to pick a quicker, faster guy, late 1st or even early-mid second. (Please refer to my nonexistent mock)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viCWqnZcIKs


He doesn't look slow to me there..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNL869c4iog&feature=related

Or there..


I'm also pretty sure there were quicker and faster guys than this guy named Emmitt Smith back in 1990.

 

[Randy White]

The biggest reason I see standing in the way of a move up to #1 for McFadden is what it represents to our offense. In order for a move like that to pay off, I think you have to know, going into it, that this also represents a very large part of your offense. Essentially, it would represent a fundamental shift in our offensive philosophy. We are a throwing team. In order for a pick of McFadden to be worth the investment, I believe we would have to become a running team. That, to me, doesn't make much sense but hey, I guess we'll see.

 

[theebs]

They didn't have to contend with the salary cap and could build a dynasty. Todays NFL is too evenly matched to put all your eggs in one basket. In those days our only competition was the Pittsburg Steelers. We routinely won the division and no one else was close. These days are NOT those days. Be well and love each other.

To kind of piggy back on this.

I dont think you can compare those old drafts with the current one's, you could get away with mistakes then. You just cant have mistakes any more.

in 1977 there was no Salary cap, less teams and more draft picks and rounds.

Now the talent pool is the same but comes with a high price on top 10 picks, less picks overall and more competition to find the same players.

 

[Rack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viCWqnZcIKs


He doesn't look slow to me there..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNL869c4iog&feature=related

Or there..


I'm also pretty sure there were quicker and faster guys than this guy named Emmitt Smith back in 1990.

Actually by NFL standards he didn't really look very fast in this clips.


I agree with the last part though.


Speed should be one of the LAST things you consider when evaluating a RB (of course anyone that runs a 4.9 shouldn't even be in the running).


Vision, Burst (through the hole), lateral quickness, wiggle, power, ball security, durability, and intelligence (ex. Is he smart enough to stay in bounds and go down instead of going out of bounds when trying to run out the clock) are all more important then whether a RB runs a 4.5 or a 4.39.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually by NFL standards he didn't really look very fast in this clips.


I agree with the last part though.


Speed should be one of the LAST things you consider when evaluating a RB (of course anyone that runs a 4.9 shouldn't even be in the running).


Vision, Burst (through the hole), lateral quickness, wiggle, power, ball security, durability, and intelligence (ex. Is he smart enough to stay in bounds and go down instead of going out of bounds when trying to run out the clock) are all more important then whether a RB runs a 4.5 or a 4.39.

Balance, IMO, is probably the most important asset.

 

[EPL0c0]

Man I hate agreeing with The Peter King. :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

We don't need McFadden. Save our picks and use them wisely, get good value for them and solid players. No reaches, no project players.

I agree w/ you. This reminds me of something I heard once about eggs and one basket or something like that...

 

[Rack]

Balance, IMO, is probably the most important asset.

Not "The" most important, but definitely more important then Speed.

 

[lane]

I've been the biggest MB3 supporter since he became a cowboy, but he isnt' a top 10 RB in the league.


If you're measuring "heart" then he's easily #1, but overall ability, no he's not top 10.

i beg to differ.........i'm the biggest mb3 supporter........you're second.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not "The" most important, but definitely more important then Speed.

Oh, I'd say it was the most important. If you don't have balance, you can't play RB IMO.

 

[Nors]

There really is no story other than the Arkie McFadden angle.

That trade happens I'm jumping off the Tobin Bridge.