Burnett = bust?

[BruceWayne]

There is a world of difference between the #18 (Carpenter) pick and the #42 (Burnett). They are NEARLY a round apart (#42 was the 10th pick in the 2nd round).

If you don't think so, then take a look at the value difference: 900 for #18,
480 for #42, NEARLY double.

There you have it nuff said

 

[vicjagger]

O.K., here's how I see it...

A few years ago, the Cowboys changed from the 4-3 defense to a 3-4 defense thus increasing both the number and quality of the linebackers they would need. They decided to make LBs a draft priority.

They were asking their starting 4-3 DE to switch to a 3-4 OLB, and neither party knew, particulary at draft time, if that would be successful.

After proving that it was a successful transition, their starting OLB suffered a season ending injury. This particular injury is known for a lengthy recovery-time, and for being difficult to return to pre-injury form, thus it jeopardized his return for trainng camp and possibly the season opener. This was known prior to the 2007 draft.

Thus the Cowboys, with LB as a draft priority, now have a group with draft positions, 8, 11, 18, 26, 42 and 103, plus a free agent that was originally drafted at #89.

So whichever 3 aren't starting are the busts. Any one of the top 7 LBs is capable of starting elsewhere in this league and their new team would love to have them. The Cowboys are stacked at linebacker so they can't all start here.

Great problem to have... IMO, none of our LBs is a bust.

 

[fortdick]

I don't believe it is hypocrisy. People have higher expectations of a 1st rounder than they do of a 2nd round pick. Your first pick should be a player and a starter. Spender was taken later than Carpenter yet he would be pushing Ellis for the starting job if Greg were healthy. As it is he will be the starter on Day-1 and Ellis is likely to be the guy coming in off the bench.

That's what you expect from a 1st round pick.

2nd rounders are not expected to start right away but they are expected to contribute. Burnett was hurt and had a tough time getting out of Parcells' doghouse. I also think he was misused some. He looks much more comfortable in Phillips' defense as it relies more on speed than on bulk, he seems better suited to it than to Parcells' 3-4.

So, then we can officially title Spears as a bust? Canty was, what, a fourth? He is better than Spears so that makes that first round pick a bust.

 

[theogt]

So, then we can officially title Spears as a bust? Canty was, what, a fourth? He is better than Spears so that makes that first round pick a bust.

Says who?

 

[fortdick]

Was he killed by lead poisoning? What do I win? :laugh2:

Carpenter caused Burnett to get lead poisoning? Is that form Mac Engel?

 

[CoCo]

Man, why is everyone so down on Bobby? Down the stretch he was one of our better defensive football players with the whole house of cards crashing around he seemed to be making plays pretty regularly... if he squeezes that potential INT in the playoff game, he probably starts this season and we go in a different direction at OLB.

That's a bit extreme don't you think? Because Carpenter couldn't hold an unexpected bullet from point blank range the Cowboys decided to draft an OLB in the 1st round? I'm thinking the body of evidence was a bit bigger than that.

My take is I think he needs to physically mature a lil bit more, but he has the tenacity for the game that will make him an above average player in the Vrabel mode. He will be serviceable at very worst. Other first rounders have been far more "busty" than Bobby.

 

[fortdick]

O.K., here's how I see it...

A few years ago, the Cowboys changed from the 4-3 defense to a 3-4 defense thus increasing both the number and quality of the linebackers they would need. They decided to make LBs a draft priority.

They were asking their starting 4-3 DE to switch to a 3-4 OLB, and neither party knew, particulary at draft time, if that would be successful.

After proving that it was a successful transition, their starting OLB suffered a season ending injury. This particular injury is known for a lengthy recovery-time, and for being difficult to return to pre-injury form, thus it jeopardized his return for trainng camp and possibly the season opener. This was known prior to the 2007 draft.

Thus the Cowboys, with LB as a draft priority, now have a group with draft positions, 8, 11, 18, 26, 42 and 103, plus a free agent that was originally drafted at #89.

So whichever 3 aren't starting are the busts. Any one of the top 7 LBs is capable of starting elsewhere in this league and their new team would love to have them. The Cowboys are stacked at linebacker so they can't all start here.

Great problem to have... IMO, none of our LBs is a bust.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Keep trying...eventually one might be funny...or you could just start giving your opinions on football, that's always good for a laugh.

Yawn, you're my hero blind.

I must say though "Blind" is a great name for you because there are none so blind as those that will not see.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Carpenter caused Burnett to get lead poisoning? Is that form Mac Engel?

Actually I think it was Colonel Mustard with a pipe in the library

 

[Bob Sacamano]

how can you be a bust but be contributing?

be a valuable member of your team, yet not living up to the expectations of your draft selection

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Carpenter had a pick on a tipped pass and a nice tackle but that was about it. Burnett was all over the place making plays and big hits. He was also in the QB's face a couple of times. It seemed to me that he was markedly more productive.

That nice tackle ws after shedding lineman and it was 3 and less than one. It went for a loss.

Burnett filled the whole nicely but its not like he was shedding blockers to get to the ballcarrier. Then of course there is the Indy game where Burnett was going along with his 2 years of doing nothing plan.

im glad Burnett played well. I remember in his rookie year he made a play on the goalline shooting a gap and making a tackle for loss and thinking maybe he finally was going to come on. Well a year and a half later and he finally had a good game in the second half of the preseason.

Carpenter played well his rookie season. i would think a postseason performance as dynamic as the one he had against Seattle would have garnered him some respect. He played well against Atlanta and Detroit as well but people are all jumping on the Burnett bandwagon and pointing fingers at Carpenter now its kind of dumbfounding.

Carpenter made more plays against Seattle than Burnett has in his entire NFL career. Thats saying something.