But I Thought Dak Was Just a Dink And Dunk QB?

[Melonfeud]

Dak dinks and dunks until he has no choice but to sling it.

Why is this so hard for so many to see with their own eyes?

**,,,but,,,when he does remove that T&E mechanism offa' his sandbagged fixed position weapon& slings it over his shoulder and goes into "Free Gun Mode" he's capable of heaping up piles of confirmed kills out there on the playing field,,,all our eyes have witnessed that

 

[OmerV]

Understood. That's why I said I'd be glad to get you more specific information.

4th qtr/OT
tied or leading by 8 points or less
Prescott
69 of 93 74.2% 994 yd 9 td 2 int 10.7 ypa 131.7
Wentz
34 of 49 69.4% 336 yd 4 td 1 int 6.9 ypa 107.2

4th qtr/OT
tied or trailing by 8 points or less
Prescott
81 of 124 65.3% 1203 yd 9 td 1 int 9.7 ypa 117.9
Wentz
50 of 79 63.3% 553 yd 3 td 1 int 7.0 ypa 91.4

I thought you were saying that, but I hated to ask you to do it. I appreciate the efforts. With these distinctions I think the comparison is more appropriate. I don't think the total yards means a lot because Wentz apparently hasn't been in the situation as often as Dak and therefore hasn't had as much of a chance to build cumulative stats, but the completion %, ypa and QB rating are notable stats. It appears Wentz has done well in these situations, but not at the level Dak has. Dak seems to excel at them. Of course, we seen it watching games too.

 

[percyhoward]

Is it Dak that is conservative or is it the play-calling?

That's the big question, and I think the answer is both. I base that on Jerry mentioning Dak's "logical" approach to games, and on Moore's comment that "we're practicing taking more deep shots, and more importantly Dak's been working on it on his own time."

 

[Melonfeud]

No it means he'll only throw deep if it's a high percentage throw. Inherently throwing deep is a low percentage play.

Dak either is unwilling to challenge defenses and dictate terms of the passing attack or he is unable.

What? #4 unable to sling it 60 yards deep down the field?,,,look pal,I thought you were supposed to be the straight line guy & I was gonna be the crack wise funny one around here,,,

* *
the Dakster got a naval cannon for a deep ball,bro

 

[percyhoward]

I thought you were saying that, but I hated to ask you to do it. I appreciate the efforts. With these distinctions I think the comparison is more appropriate. I don't think the total yards means a lot because Wentz apparently hasn't been in the situation as often as Dak and therefore hasn't had as much of a chance to build cumulative stats, but the completion %, ypa and QB rating are notable stats. It appears Wentz has done well in these situations, but not at the level Dak has. Dak seems to excel at them. Of course, we seen it watching games too.

It's really no problem at all. I don't have to go through it game-by-game, it's just a matter of entering the parameters and letting PFR's game-finder do the work.

The best illustration of the contrast in the two QB's styles is this:

2017-18
15+yard targets
as a percentage of all passes
First 3 Quarters
Prescott 13.5% (86.4)
Wentz 19.7% (105.3)

Late & Close
Prescott 21.4% (125.6)
Wentz 14.9% (88.5)

In the 4th qtr and OT when the game is close (and with this team, it almost always is) Dak makes a lot more intermediate-to-deep throws, and is much more successful with them compared to the first three quarters. Wentz is exactly the opposite. He's much better with these throws than Dak over the first three quarters, and they're also a bigger part of his game. Then the 4th quarter starts, and he goes into a shell.

And no, neither one of these styles/patterns is the norm.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Understood. That's why I said I'd be glad to get you more specific information.

4th qtr/OT
tied or leading by 8 points or less
Prescott
69 of 93 74.2% 994 yd 9 td 2 int 10.7 ypa 131.7
Wentz
34 of 49 69.4% 336 yd 4 td 1 int 6.9 ypa 107.2

4th qtr/OT
tied or trailing by 8 points or less
Prescott
81 of 124 65.3% 1203 yd 9 td 1 int 9.7 ypa 117.9
Wentz
50 of 79 63.3% 553 yd 3 td 1 int 7.0 ypa 91.4

Interesting.

Do you have their comparative numbers for quarters 1-3 regardless of whether they are leading or behind?

 

[percyhoward]

Interesting.

Do you have their comparative numbers for quarters 1-3 regardless of whether they are leading or behind?

1ST-3RD QUARTER ONLY
2018
Prescott (7 games w/o Cooper)
83 of 132 62.9% 913 yd 6.9 ypa 7 td 3 int 91.5
Prescott (11 games w/Cooper)
202 of 286 70.6% 2115 yd 7.4 ypa 11 td 3 int 100.2
Wentz (all 11 games)
202 of 290 69.7% 2327 yd 8.0 ypa 14 td 5 int 102.5

2017-18
Prescott
504 of 770 65.5% 5213 yd 6.8 ypa 31 td 13 int 91.2
Wentz
415 of 644 64.4% 5018 yd 7.8 ypa 42 td 10 int 103.5

2016-18
Prescott
750 of 1136 66.0% 8191 yd 7.2 ypa 48 td 18 int 94.6
Wentz
683 of 1064 64.2% 7772 yd 7.3 ypa 57 td 21 int 95.6

 

[Whirlwin]

offense and defense were both bad....make no mistakes...4 drives in the middle of the game totaling 8 minutes....that's an awful offensive performance....in the first half alone, they had 4 drives for a total of 10 minutes..... that's not on defense. you have the ball. hold it, score. something.....you can't blame the defense for that.

. If you don't think the defense watch that game stop watching football cuz you don't understand it too well

 

[Blue&Silver]

1ST-3RD QUARTER ONLY
2018
Prescott (7 games w/o Cooper)
83 of 132 62.9% 913 yd 6.9 ypa 7 td 3 int 91.5
Prescott (11 games w/Cooper)
202 of 286 70.6% 2115 yd 7.4 ypa 11 td 3 int 100.2
Wentz (all 11 games)
202 of 290 69.7% 2327 yd 8.0 ypa 14 td 5 int 102.5

2017-18
Prescott
504 of 770 65.5% 5213 yd 6.8 ypa 31 td 13 int 91.2
Wentz
415 of 644 64.4% 5018 yd 7.8 ypa 42 td 10 int 103.5

2016-18
Prescott
750 of 1136 66.0% 8191 yd 7.2 ypa 48 td 18 int 94.6
Wentz
683 of 1064 64.2% 7772 yd 7.3 ypa 57 td 21 int 95.6

Dak is a predominant short pass QB to date. He's not a guy that goes down the field often. The numbers your posting are meaningless unless they exclude yards after the catch. Our offense is, or has been under Prescott a short pass offense, and we rely on yards after the catch. It seems that's how we are built. That's nothing to be ashamed of it's kind of what the West Coast offense is predicated on as well. Just watch Tom Brady. A lot of the time the guy is doing short little dump offs.

I looked at Wentz's stats, and you can clearly see the passing game last year was more the short variety, and I can only assume several factors led up to that 1 of which is lack of mobility, and uncertainty of his injury holding up. You could see he was clearly protecting himself by dumping the ball off. Another factor was lack of a deep threat. They got rid of their deep threat and had no one to stretch the field.

Looking at their roster build this year it's going to be quite different with Jackson stretching the field. I'm guessing now 2 years away almost from that knee injury he'll be going down the field early and often. That's an intimidating offense they have. I hope our frontline gets pressure on Carson to make him wince.

 

[percyhoward]

Dak is a predominant short pass QB to date. He's not a guy that goes down the field often. The numbers your posting are meaningless unless they exclude yards after the catch.

Way ahead of you. Dak's only a "predominant short-pass QB" for the first three quarters. Then late in close games, he makes more intermediate-to-deep throws than the league average (and way more in 2018), with the league's highest passer rating on these throws over his career. And yes, I'm talking about depth of target -- not YAC.

Wentz is much more aggressive than Dak for the first three quarters. After that, Wentz has always been much more conservative in close games, even when fully healthy in 2017.

15+yd targets by quarter, 2018
(as a percentage of total attempts)
1st Dal 12.8% NFL 17.2%
2nd Dal 14.6% NFL 18.3%
3rd Dal 9.2% NFL 17.4%
4th/OT Dal 18.9% NFL 18.6%
Late & Close Dal 25.7% NFL 20.0%

Target 15+ yards (Late & Close)
4th qtr/OT
margin 8 points or less
2016-18
1 Prescott 124.2
2 Rodgers 122.0
3 Stafford 121.5
4 Carr 117.1
5 Wilson 113.9
6 Brady 113.1

15+yard targets as a percentage of all passes
First 3 Quarters, 2017
NFL avg 18.1% (88.6 rtg)
Wentz 21.9% (110.0 rtg)

Late & Close
NFL avg 19.2% (74.4 rtg)
Wentz 16.7% (77.1 rtg)

 

[Pass2Run]

It's a dink and dunk league....

 

[Hadenough]

You mean against that backup safety playing corner (Igwebuke, or something) and other backup safety (Countess) that they picked up that week? The corner basically ran out of bounds and the safety was a day late.

Against backups to actual backups, Dak managed 9 whole points in the first three quarters that day.

Man dont remind me! That was one of those games where the Cowboys dominated and were only leading like 9-6

 

[Number1]

+12 rushing TDs in that span and Dak probably took twice as many sacks - kept ticking

football requires toughness

 

[Blackspider214]

You mean against that backup safety playing corner (Igwebuke, or something) and other backup safety (Countess) that they picked up that week? The corner basically ran out of bounds and the safety was a day late.

Against backups to actual backups, Dak managed 9 whole points in the first three quarters that day.

I love this. "First 3 quarters". Last time I checked, football was a 4 quarter game. Dak took over the game and led us to a big win. But let's look over that and only dwell on the first 3 quarters. What did Dak do when it counted in the 4th and OT? Oh yeah...Have to conveniently leave that part off because it doesn't fit your argument.

 

[HungryLion]

I love this. "First 3 quarters". Last time I checked, football was a 4 quarter game. Dak took over the game and led us to a big win. But let's look over that and only dwell on the first 3 quarters. What did Dak do when it counted in the 4th and OT? Oh yeah...Have to conveniently leave that part off because it doesn't fit your argument.

He also doesn’t respond when you point out that those same eagles players, won their next 4 games after the game being discussed. One of those 4 straight games, being a road playoff game.

But yeah it was a horrible squad.

 

[Blackspider214]

He also doesn’t respond when you point out that those same eagles players, won their next 4 games after the game being discussed. One of those 4 straight games, being a road playoff game.

But yeah it was a horrible squad.

Exactly. Whatever fits their narrative. They cherry pick their arguments. This isn't high school or college football. If you are on the field in the NFL, you have talent. Whether or not you are backups or not. That was one of our biggest wins of the season and people still crap on it and Dak. I don't get it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

. If you don't think the defense watch that game stop watching football cuz you don't understand it too well

Ditto my friend.

So in your super expert opinion a first half with three drives totalling 6 minutes is a great offensive performance!! And the offense sucked because the defense was bad

That was pathetic

 

[Whirlwin]

Ditto my friend.

So in your super expert opinion a first half with three drives totalling 6 minutes is a great offensive performance!! And the offense sucked because the defense was bad

That was pathetic

What was the time of possession in that game the Rams ran over us with over 200 yards. That is solid defense LOL

 

[Whirlwin]

Ditto my friend.

So in your super expert opinion a first half with three drives totalling 6 minutes is a great offensive performance!! And the offense sucked because the defense was bad

That was pathetic

I don't recall saying the offense sucks because the defense sucked

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What was the time of possession in that game the Rams ran over us with over 200 yards. That is solid defense LOL

Exactly.... Why didn't the cow it's offense muster 6 minutes in 3 possessions? That was the ball in our hands....one drive was 55 seconds...
Get it?