Byron Jones Regressing?

[Jkyle]

Byron Jones seems to be regressing as a Safety.
He is taking bad angles too many times.
I noticed a couple of times yesterday where he made horrible plays on the ball. I think there was one egregious instance yesterday where the WR caught the ball across the middle and Jones was clueless of location of the ball and ran toward Garcon who was no where near the play and the 49er receiver had an open field after the catch.
Jones does make some good plays but he isn't nearly as consistent as is expected.

 

[dogunwo]

Here we are. The weekly Byron Jones complaint. Dude is playing well. He isn't getting interceptions, agreed. I don't believe any safety in the league is asked to play as much man to man as he does.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Byron Jones seems to be regressing as a Safety.
He is taking bad angles too many times.
I noticed a couple of times yesterday where he made horrible plays on the ball. I think there was one egregious instance yesterday where the WR caught the ball across the middle and Jones was clueless of location of the ball and ran toward Garcon who was no where near the play and the 49er receiver had an open field after the catch.
Jones does make some good plays but he isn't nearly as consistent as is expected.

My personal take is that I dont see him regressing. He was just never that good. Its just that hopeful is turning into reality. He was a project to begin with. Safeties have to be mean. He isnt mean enough.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Here we are. The weekly Byron Jones complaint. Dude is playing well. He isn't getting interceptions, agreed. I don't believe any safety in the league is asked to play as much man to man as he does.

Jones is an average safety at best. AT this point he is a JAG. Nothing special about him. To me he defines what has been the issue with this defense for a long time. Not a play maker. In the Tampa 2 defense the safeties have to be rangy playmakers that hammer guys coming over the middle. We have Jeff Heath and Jones.

 

[MRV52]

Byron Jones seems to be regressing as a Safety.
He is taking bad angles too many times.
I noticed a couple of times yesterday where he made horrible plays on the ball. I think there was one egregious instance yesterday where the WR caught the ball across the middle and Jones was clueless of location of the ball and ran toward Garcon who was no where near the play and the 49er receiver had an open field after the catch.
Jones does make some good plays but he isn't nearly as consistent as is expected.

Fanbase has got to let it go. Jones is doing fine.

 

[Blackspider214]

Here we are. The weekly Byron Jones complaint. Dude is playing well. He isn't getting interceptions, agreed. I don't believe any safety in the league is asked to play as much man to man as he does.

He was brought in to play DB. He couldn't. Now he is a below average safety and we spent a 1st round pick on him. It was not a good pick. There was a reason he was labeled a combine warrior. He's not a terrible player but he really doesn't do anything well that warranted a 1st round pick.

 

[mardwin]

Byron Jones has never been a good safety, he has been a great slot corner covering below average speed TEs.

 

[Hardline]

What's he regressed from?
The broad jump?

He's playing no better now than at any point in is brief career. So I guess you can say he's not regressed.

 

[Sydla]

Here we are. The weekly Byron Jones complaint. Dude is playing well. He isn't getting interceptions, agreed. I don't believe any safety in the league is asked to play as much man to man as he does.

Then play him at CB. Because when he's asked to fulfill actual safety requirements, he's mediocre at best.

I have no issues with Jones. But frankly, I think the staff is trying to stick a square peg into a round hole with when it comes to Jones.

 

[9darter]

Should have been a day 3 project. At least not a first or second rounder. But yeah, it's "the fanbase" ...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You guys seriously need to watch the games. He's been excellent this year. Not a person in the NFL thinks he's even average at safety.




YR

 

[Sydla]

You guys seriously need to watch the games. He's been excellent this year. Not a person in the NFL thinks he's even average at safety.




YR

Yeah, he's not been "excellent". There's no reason to go to the other extreme here.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Fanbase has got to let it go. Jones is doing fine.

Fine isnt good enough for a first round pick. That is the point. Fine is for 3rd round and under.

 

[FaSho]

You guys seriously need to watch the games. He's been excellent this year. Not a person in the NFL thinks he's even average at safety.




YR

Not sure about "excellent," but I think he's played very well. Haters just gotta hate. We could certainly do MUCH worse. Heath is the real issue here.

 

[stiletto]

He's just not a SS in my opinion. He could be a better corner. We need true safeties on this team. The SS should be a monster tackler and the FS should be an extreme ball-hawk. Neither of the players are those type guys. I do think Jones can play corner much better. He is very average at Safety and I don't think it is his fault. Just not his strong suit.

 

[gmoney112]

He's just not a SS in my opinion. He could be a better corner. We need true safeties on this team. The SS should be a monster tackler and the FS should be an extreme ball-hawk. Neither of the players are those type guys. I do think Jones can play corner much better. He is very average at Safety and I don't think it is his fault. Just not his strong suit.

It's easier to find a 10 sack pass rusher than it is to find an "extreme ball hawk", especially one that can actually tackle.

I'm starting to think they're more rare than QBs.

 

[MRV52]

Fine isnt good enough for a first round pick. That is the point. Fine is for 3rd round and under.

Watch the games from coach's film and you will see that he isn't as bad as some say he is.

 

[gimmesix]

You guys seriously need to watch the games. He's been excellent this year. Not a person in the NFL thinks he's even average at safety.




YR

I think a lot of people don't understand safety play because it can be more complicated than other positions depending on what the safety is required to do. You can't just see a receiver make a catch and assign blame to the safety because he's nearest or even see a safety fill the "wrong" gap against the run. Without knowing his assignments from play to play, it's easy to misevaluate.

Unless you have the ability to diagnose exactly what his responsibility was supposed to be on every play, the only way I know of to judge Jones is to watch how he handles assignments when he is one-on-one or when the back tries to go through the hole he is filling. For the most part, I see no problem with Jones' play in those situations.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Watch the games from coach's film and you will see that he isn't as bad as some say he is.

Im not saying he is bad. Im just saying he is average. I think he has above average coverage skills for a safety. But when it comes to instincts, ball skills, and hitting ability (causing fumbles) I would put at "not very good" And in the two deep zone scheme the latter are the more important skills. For any safety. Covering TE's is nice, but thats all it is.

Nobody is worried about going over the middle with Heath and Jones in there.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think a lot of people don't understand safety play because it can be more complicated than other positions depending on what the safety is required to do. You can't just see a receiver make a catch and assign blame to the safety because he's nearest or even see a safety fill the "wrong" gap against the run. Without knowing his assignments from play to play, it's easy to misevaluate.

Unless you have the ability to diagnose exactly what his responsibility was supposed to be on every play, the only way I know of to judge Jones is to watch how he handles assignments when he is one-on-one or when the back tries to go through the hole he is filling. For the most part, I see no problem with Jones' play in those situations.

It doesnt take a brain surgeon to watch the games and see no picks, no great plays, no jarring hits that cause fumbles, ect...ect.... Great players stand out and they dont need defending by anyone.

i.e. Dak Prescott, Zeke Elliott, Martin, ect...ect....