Byron Jones Regressing?

[gimmesix]

There is nothing you can say to convince me that Jones has been a great draft pick or that he is a great safety. Only jones can do that by making big plays which he simply doesnt do.

You look around the league all day long and safeties are creating havoc around the football. Jarring hits, interceptions, creating fumbles, sacking the QB, ect....ect... This IS not jones. Talk all you want about covering some TE's, its not enough. Enough for you, not for me.

I didn't say he was a great safety, but he is a solid player. He's not a Pro Bowl talent, at least not yet. However, I don't expect every player Dallas acquires in the draft to turn out to be Pro Bowlers. Most coaches can win if you give them enough solid players with a few Pro Bowl types.

 

[Teague31]

THat would imply that at some point he had progressed

 

[bayeslife]

Maybe it’s the guy playing next to him who sucks

 

[dogunwo]

Look at the pass play to Goodwin at 2:08 left in the 2nd Quarter.
The pass was caught by Goodwin on Heath's side of the field and Jones had a clear shot to either break up or stop the WR at that point. But, he took a horrible angle toward Garcon who was to the right of Goodwin and was no where near where the ball was going.

Tyrone Smith has given up sacks before. He must suck. See, I can pick a "bad" play and make an assumption about the player too.

 

[Nightman]

Fine is obviously good enough for you. Definitely NOT good enough for me for a first round pick. Starter is NOT a huge win for a FIRST round pick. Especially when his competition has been scrubs like Heath, Wilcox, ect...ect......

Your standard is unrealistic and juvenile....... no one is gonna be the next Darren Woodson

Instant starter is a huge win......HUGE

 

[Alexander]

Not sure about regressing, but I don't believe he is progressing. This is about the time a good player "gets it". He is just, well, there right now.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I think he's late bloomer that's going to explode ......like next to last contract year

 

[Alexander]

Your standard is unrealistic and juvenile....... no one is gonna be the next Darren Woodson

Instant starter is a huge win......HUGE

An instant starter can be for a lack of competition. Is that a huge win too?

 

[Nightman]

An instant starter can be for a lack of competition. Is that a huge win too?

Yes...... draft picks are lottery tickets......most don't ever start a game

 

[Alexander]

Yes...... draft picks are lottery tickets......most don't ever start a game

So teams don't draft well, they just are lucky?

I just want to make sure I understand this right.

 

[The Natural]

Offensive coordinators, qbs and wrs aint losing any sleep thinking about Byron Jones thats for sure

 

[KingintheNorth]

Pick should have been Landon Collins.

Just have to hope they learned from it and make better choices in the future.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Yes...... draft picks are lottery tickets......most don't ever start a game

Huh?

That is next level apologizing.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Pick should have been Landon Collins.

Just have to hope they learned from it and make better choices in the future.

Exactly. Landon Collins was sitting there waiting for us....smh

I'm thinking that TJ watt and Reuben Foster are going to become pro bowl type players soon (1-2 years)

 

[Tristan]

It seems to me it has become trendy in here to dump on byron for every misstep like its cool to join the trash byron club.

Sure we all wish we had taken all pro landon collins at that pick but everyteam wishes they could go back in time and have picked the star of the round but if you look at that draft, other than collins and 1 or two other players it was garbage and Byron was definately a better choice than almost all of the players picked between that pick and our second round pick imo.

That said, I definately agree he has to get a little better at fs, he doesnt seem to be as good in space but he is an in youre face player who hustles and is always around the ball. He makes a ton of solid plays that get overlooked for the few he got beat.

There is not a player or a position on this team that you cant bring up a bunch of game clips where they were beat bad or blew it or were to slow etc.! Everyone! Tyron, Martin, Fredrick, Dak, Dez, Whitten, Lee, Brown, even J Lewis etc.

Why byron gets killed because hes not Landon Collins is beyond me? I see a dam good db who gives great effort, keeps improving and has insanely valuable versatility and upside! Hes alot like Mcourty for New England imo whos versatility has been huge for their success

Im not blaming him for the lack of pics, nobody gets pics in our scheme! Nobody, ever! So that on Rod all day!

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Everytime I think about Byron I think of the late Dennis Green....



At this point, he is what we thought he was......and we are letting him off the hook.

 

[xwalker]

Byron Jones seems to be regressing as a Safety.
He is taking bad angles too many times.
I noticed a couple of times yesterday where he made horrible plays on the ball. I think there was one egregious instance yesterday where the WR caught the ball across the middle and Jones was clueless of location of the ball and ran toward Garcon who was no where near the play and the 49er receiver had an open field after the catch.
Jones does make some good plays but he isn't nearly as consistent as is expected.

Look at the pass play to Goodwin at 2:08 left in the 2nd Quarter.
The pass was caught by Goodwin on Heath's side of the field and Jones had a clear shot to either break up or stop the WR at that point. But, he took a horrible angle toward Garcon who was to the right of Goodwin and was no where near where the ball was going.

That play is in the 1st Quarter. The snap is at 2:15 remaining in the 1st.

It was an odd play. As Aikman said about SF's offense on that play, they didn't draw it up like that.

The WRs came close together which is never by design. The action brought Jones right in front of Heath. I think Jones ended up in Heath's path. If Heath could have continued towards the WR while he was in the air catching the ball, I think his angle would have been OK.

You have to think about what Heath's angle (path) would have been if he didn't stop due to his teammate being in his path.

Once he did stop, maybe his path afterwards should have been slightly backwards but if he completely flips his hips to go downfield, then the WR could cut back to the other side of Heath and nobody would have been back there to tackle him and there would be no way for Heath to flip his hips all the way back around in time.

If that was his play, I would not be concerned.

Heath is not the ideal starter but they have bigger problems on defense than him.

It does "feel" like Woods will be better but that's far from proven. Some of Woods best plays this season were at slot-CB. I like that they are not rushing Woods into too many smaps the way they've done with Jaylon.

In the Packers game they replaced Heath with Awuzie on a few snaps. I think they've missed having Awuzie more than you might think for a rookie. He is actually built more like a Safety than Woods.

The LB play has been a big problem. It was much better but they still had many negative plays that were due to LBs. Lee does not appear to be running full speed and they had too many run plays with poor run fits by the LBs.

 

[Idgit]

That play is in the 1st Quarter. The snap is at 2:15 remaining in the 1st.

It was an odd play. As Aikman said about SF's offense on that play, they didn't draw it up like that.

The WRs came close together which is never by design. The action brought Jones right in front of Heath. I think Jones ended up in Heath's path. If Heath could have continued towards the WR while he was in the air catching the ball, I think his angle would have been OK.

You have to think about what Heath's angle (path) would have been if he didn't stop due to his teammate being in his path.

Once he did stop, maybe his path afterwards should have been slightly backwards but if he completely flips his hips to go downfield, then the WR could cut back to the other side of Heath and nobody would have been back there to tackle him and there would be no way for Heath to flip his hips all the way back around in time.

If that was his play, I would not be concerned.

Heath is not the ideal starter but they have bigger problems on defense than him.

It does "feel" like Woods will be better but that's far from proven. Some of Woods best plays this season were at slot-CB. I like that they are not rushing Woods into too many smaps the way they've done with Jaylon.

In the Packers game they replaced Heath with Awuzie on a few snaps. I think they've missed having Awuzie more than you might think for a rookie. He is actually built more like a Safety than Woods.

The LB play has been a big problem. It was much better but they still had many negative plays that were due to LBs. Lee does not appear to be running full speed and they had too many run plays with poor run fits by the LBs.

It's been tough to tell how bad the S play is because of the mess in front of them a lot of the time. We've seen a couple of blown coverages, and we've seen Heath almost snap and ACL a couple of times now overrunning a play to make a tackle in space, but I agree that he's been disappointing, but not nearly the problem he's been made out to be.

Jones has been solid, as far as I can tell, and good when he's got man coverage responsibilities. The DEN game was bad, but IIRC, he had a soft tissue injury (groin?) that game that was probably part of the deal for him there. But the teams that ate us alive were doing it mostly by taking advantage of the underneath coverage holes that the LBs had been giving up.

I agree with you on Awuzie, too. I think they like him at S and like him for this year, if he can get on the field. I haven't noticed Lee being anything but his usual fantastic self (other than the blown tackles in DEN, but that game I'm considering a mulligan for everybody). I'll have to go back and pay more attention next time around.

 

[ThatJerryKid]

I didn't say he was a great safety, but he is a solid player. He's not a Pro Bowl talent, at least not yet. However, I don't expect every player Dallas acquires in the draft to turn out to be Pro Bowlers. Most coaches can win if you give them enough solid players with a few Pro Bowl types.

I agree completely. I don't get all the hate for this guy. He may not have turned into the pro bowl ball hawking safety we were hoping for, but he is a solid player on this defense. The fact that he can lock onto some of the better tight ends in this league is value just by itself.

 

[Bullflop]

The running of Hyde is a problem for many teams, so I'm not overly depressed by our problems with him, although it surely wasn't pretty!