Calling all Dez haters (Performance Film Study)

[CowboyStar88]

Don't need a highlight video to show me what I saw all 16 games last season. In the words of Randy Galloway, "watch the damn game!"

Lol it’s not a highlight video.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If it's spans the length of his career, then yes it is still a highlight reel. And if the majority of it is when Romo was throwing him the ball then it absolutely has no bearing on what the Cowboys should do going forward. And I really don't need to watch it, because I have watched every snap of his career. I know the receiver he is capable of being and I fully acknowledge that with the right quarterback he could be back in the pro bowl. I just don't think Dak is that quarterback yet.

It's mostly the past two years. You would know that if you watched it.

 

[SoupcanSam]

This is not my video, but I saw this online and had to post. People really have to stop listening to these talking heads, and so called Cowboys "fans". I honestly cant see how you can hate Dez after watching this or any of his on-field performance. No contract talks, purely indepth performance review...

Watch the WHOLE THING

For every success there is failure! For every catch there is a drop! There is also alot of inconsistency!

 

[Zekeats]

Truth most of these plays were 3-5 years ago when he was in his prime. He lost a step since then and he lives off his physical god given traits and he has to find a way to improve now. Hopefully working out with the new trainer will help if he's even still with us.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

This team and FO would not be looking at a HUGE number of WRs for the draft... for no reason.

There is not talk of the FO talking with Dez to reduce his contract... for no reason.

There was not talk that if we got Watkins that Dez was probably gone this season...for no reason.

There is not talk about how Jerry wants to keep him but Stephen wants to let him go... for no reason.

Dez is not working this off season with someone known as the "routes guru"... for no reason.

We did not bring in a new WR Coach that is know for teaching WRs discipline route runners and bringing in other WRs...for no reason.

Now there are some haters on this forum that thinks all things bad start and end with Dez on this team. They are normally full of hyperbole and just look for any reason to complain.

However at this point there is no person that can sit there and say there is nothing wrong with Dez or problems with dez and be taken seriously.

There ARE issues with dez, there are issues with his route running. It might not be as bad as some make it out to be...but it cannot be ignored and there IS a problem.

What comes out in the media is just noise and people should take it in as just that. Im sure you would be surprised how many HOF WR's sharpened their skills at route running as they got older and lost speed. Them getting a new coach/guru doesn't mean much of anything.

 

[Sydla]

Forced, compelled, required. I didn't choose a specific connotation and you are dodging making one yourself.

So you think he was compelled because of your preferred conclusion: that he 'believed he was weak.' At least now you have stated it instead of begging for it.

That is easy to rebut. You have zero evidence of what Dez believes regarding that.

What you do have is 100+ plays of him doing what you thought he couldn't do because you eat what Skip Bayless is putting out.

And here you go again with your strawman bull****.

I never once said he is incapable of running a variety of routes. I guess you routinly make stuff up and attribute things to people that they never really said in order to feed your need to look smarter than others and be right.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

And for all those assumptions, there is a tremendous body of evidence that Dez can get separation running the entire route tree the past couple of years.

They are not all assumptions no matter how much you assume they are.

The Cowboys HAVE been visiting, will visit with Many WRs prior to this draft and the HC has even worked one out personally...not assumption...fact.
Dez is currently working out with someone that is known for helping WRs with their routes and some have called him the route guru...not assumption...fact
The FO will be talking with Dez soon about his situation...both Jerry and Stephen have said so...that is not assumption, that is fact.


Now you can argue about other things that do not pertain to what I am talking about...that is your choice.
But I will not be drawn into an argument with you about some other topics that you are talking about that I am not talking about.

I don't recall saying ANYTHING about separation. That is something you invented in your head to try and dispute what I said when I never said anything about it.

So...walk on by and leave me be with those arguments that I am not making.

 

[CowboyStar88]

For every success there is failure! For every catch there is a drop! There is also alot of inconsistency!

So Dez dropped the same amount of passes that he caught?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

What comes out in the media is just noise and people should take it in as just that. Im sure you would be surprised how many HOF WR's sharpened their skills at route running as they got older and lost speed. Them getting a new coach/guru doesn't mean much of anything.

People that ignore the evidence that there are some situations with dez and this team are just as bad as the haters that make EVERYTHING bad about dez when it is not all on dez.

There is a realistic middle ground with dez...those on each extreme side wish to ignore it.

 

[G2]

Way to trash your narrative in the very next post you make.

If that's what you see then there's less hope for you than I thought.

All the things he posted were facts. It doesn't mean anyone "Hates Dez."

 

[G2]

I can agree with you on his emotions during the game, but even those moments aren't what they appear to be. Like when that video of him encouraging the team when people thought he was angry. He needs to do better but he's not total garbage like I'm reading and hearing.

I disagree. The Seattle game 2017 was an example of what I'm referring to. Just watch that entire game. It's stocked full of examples.

 

[CowboyStar88]

People that ignore the evidence that there are some situations with dez and this team are just as bad as the haters that make EVERYTHING bad about dez when it is not all on dez.

There is a realistic middle ground with dez...those on each extreme side wish to ignore it.

Thats not even an accurate picture BP. Look at the numerous threads about Dez sucks. There is 1 thread started by a Pro-Dez crowd.

 

[jday]

It's mostly the past two years. You would know that if you watched it.

The issue is not just a lack of separation. To be honest, I think the mental aspect of it is being factored into consideration by the front office. They want Dak to be the unquestioned leader on the sideline. Granted, we have no idea what he is actually saying when he throws his tantrums on the sideline, but I suspect were Dez more heavily involved in the game, he wouldn't have much to say. That's a problem. He's needs to be the same guy with or without the touches at all times in the game. Based on what I've read from comment about him by Romo, it seems as though Dez has to be babysitted a little bit to stay locked into the game. If things don't go his way, he throws a fit. That's not good for the team and that certainly doesn't help Dak be the leader he needs to be. Dez should be a veteran Dak can count on to keep his emotions in check and they simply can't.

Again, I still believe Dez has what it takes to be a top-tier receiver. I'm just not sure this QB and this scheme is the best fit for him. But if the Cowboys opt to keep him, I will be more than fine with it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They are not all assumptions no matter how much you assume they are.

The Cowboys HAVE been visiting, will visit with Many WRs prior to this draft and the HC has even worked one out personally...not assumption...fact.
Dez is currently working out with someone that is known for helping WRs with their routes and some have called him the route guru...not assumption...fact
The FO will be talking with Dez soon about his situation...both Jerry and Stephen have said so...that is not assumption, that is fact.


Now you can argue about other things that do not pertain to what I am talking about...that is your choice.
But I will not be drawn into an argument with you about some other topics that you are talking about that I am not talking about.

I don't recall saying ANYTHING about separation. That is something you invented in your head to try and dispute what I said when I never said anything about it.

So...walk on by and leave me be with those arguments that I am not making.

The assumption is not that those things happened but instead that those things happened because Dez cannot get separation on routes or is otherwise deficient.

And exactly what assumption am I supposed to make from him going to work out with Robinson on his routes that presents an issue? If I am wrong fine but it's not like it was out of left field. Doubly so when you consider the OP.

Here is what Robinson has been quoted to say about Dez.

"Dez still shows a lot of explosiveness in and out of his cuts," Robinson said. "He's just been asked to do certain things in the offense.

"We're just going to wake that muscle memory up as far as getting him to play a lot faster at the top of his routes, getting him to drop his weight lower, getting his arm mechanics back intact at the top of routes when he's coming out of his cuts so he can look more smoother and efficient. Those are the things we're gonna working on, as well as a lot of his press release techniques."

Sounds like he is trying to polish instead of teach him how to run said routes. Hey if you are not on the bandwagon that Dez cannot run routes then fine but at least you should be able to see why I might think that. That being said I am certainly not above making a mistake.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The issue is not just a lack of separation. To be honest, I think the mental aspect of it is being factored into consideration by the front office. They want Dak to be the unquestioned leader on the sideline. Granted, we have no idea what he is actually saying when he throws his tantrums on the sideline, but I suspect were Dez more heavily involved in the game, he wouldn't have much to say. That's a problem. He's needs to be the same guy with or without the touches at all times in the game. Based on what I've read from comment about him by Romo, it seems as though Dez has to be babysitted a little bit to stay locked into the game. If things don't go his way, he throws a fit. That's not good for the team and that certainly doesn't help Dak be the leader he needs to be. Dez should be a veteran Dak can count on to keep his emotions in check and they simply can't.

Again, I still believe Dez has what it takes to be a top-tier receiver. I'm just not sure this QB and this scheme is the best fit for him. But if the Cowboys opt to keep him, I will be more than fine with it.

The video also quotes what Romo actually said. Are you just not able to watch the video at work or something?

No one is arguing that Dez's ranting can be an issue. At the same time it is not nearly what it was prior to 2014 when he melted down regularly. he has improved.

The issue here is its not about him being able to get separation at all. Dez can get separation with the entire route tree and against top competition.

 

[SoupcanSam]

So Dez dropped the same amount of passes that he caught?

He had more drops than TDs

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And here you go again with your strawman bull****. You have to be the biggest loser and fraud on this board because you can never debate honestly.

I never once said he is incapable of running a variety of routes. I guess you routinly make stuff up and attribute things to people that they never really said in order to feed your need to look smarter than others and be right.

Well someone is upset. It's amusing that would take this tactic after arguing that Dez has "believed he was weak" running routes.

You did say that and instead of saying "hey youre right Fuzzy maybe he didn't go to Robinson because he thought he was weak," you completely melt down and go with these personal attacks.

Seriously man, I am just arguing, if I am wrong then argue the point. No need to get so butthurt and lose composure.

 

[CATCH17]

Truth most of these plays were 3-5 years ago when he was in his prime. He lost a step since then and he lives off his physical god given traits and he has to find a way to improve now. Hopefully working out with the new trainer will help if he's even still with us.

At 28 years old he's lost a step?

Any other WR would be considered to be in their physical prime but Dez has lost a step?No.

He lost a QB that knows how to throw to his X & Z WR. That's what he lost.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

I disagree. The Seattle game 2017 was an example of what I'm referring to. Just watch that entire game. It's stocked full of examples.

I think you misunderstood me, I agree his emotions during games and in that game specifically gets in the way of his performance.

People that ignore the evidence that there are some situations with dez and this team are just as bad as the haters that make EVERYTHING bad about dez when it is not all on dez.

There is a realistic middle ground with dez...those on each extreme side wish to ignore it.

What I'm saying is that them bringing in WR draft prospects is just noise to put Dez on notice, you really think they would get a WR with their first pick? Because I don't... not with the wholes in the D and the Oline. Them hiring new coaches/route guru's is nothing new, but shouldn't be ignored I guess...

 

[Sydla]

Well someone is upset. It's amusing that would take this tactic after arguing that Dez has "believed he was weak" running routes.

You did say that and instead of saying "hey youre right Fuzzy maybe he didn't go to Robinson because he thought he was weak," you completely melt down and go with these personal attacks.

Seriously man, I am just arguing, if I am wrong then argue the point. No need to get so butthurt and lose composure.

So weak or needing work = incapable of running certain routes? So when someone says that Dez went to a route specialist to work on improving his route running it means he "can only run 3 routes"?

You consistently prove the point that you are often dishonest when you debate.