Camp nugget, Dak threw 9 TD passes yesterday during practice

[RonnieT24]

If they can;t get separated...why would dak make the throw?

Not EVERY route is a timing play.

If it's 3rd or 4th down you gotta let it go. I think Dak refused to make those throws early in his career and gradually got a little more aggressive each year until he went overboard in '22 and then dialed it back just enough in '23. But his nature is definitely to take care of the ball and not put it in harm's way. But in certain situations you gotta let it go and give the receiver a chance to win. My guess is right now the only receivers he trusts to win are CD and Ferg. Anybody else is gonna need separation or they aint gittin the ball.

 

[cmoney23]

Key part to take from this:

It happened IN PRACTICE. And for what it's worth, I would say the same thing about interceptions thrown in practice.

Wake us up when he can do this in a real game. You know, like when the defense is actually trying to make a play?

I get your overarching point... but you don't think the players on defense are trying to make plays in camp?? They are trying to secure a spot/job.

They're trying to make plays.

 

[cmoney23]

If only he could play that way WITH PRESSURE.

This is like posting Shaq made 10 free throws in a row...in an empty gym.

This is written in the voice of Shooter McGavin in the scene when he wins a tournament and is asked about Happy Gilmore...

Oh, yeah, where'd Dak finish in TDs last year? First in the league?

Guess you didn't notice.

 

[thunderpimp91]

If it's 3rd or 4th down you gotta let it go. I think Dak refused to make those throws early in his career and gradually got a little more aggressive each year until he went overboard in '22 and then dialed it back just enough in '23. But his nature is definitely to take care of the ball and not put it in harm's way. But in certain situations you gotta let it go and give the receiver a chance to win. My guess is right now the only receivers he trusts to win are CD and Ferg. Anybody else is gonna need separation or they aint gittin the ball.

Compared to most QBs I wouldn't even say Dak is aggressive, even the current version of him. Most of his INTs seem to come on simple bad reads, option routes where QB/WR just were not on the same page, or when he does get aggressive is when playing from behind like in the SF game. I think you were spot on in your previous post about Dak loving the blitz, hating the deep shell coverages. You give Dak an open part of the field and he can tear up a defense if they are not well disguised. I think this is where some of the contradicting thoughts about Dak being bad against zone coverage yet his numbers against zone come from. I don't have a source that shows that specific of charting, but I would assume Dak's numbers are significantly boosted by zone blitz's whereas a straight cover 4 probably show a lot of check down throws.

Where Dak is such a good player, one of the best in the league is deciding when to be aggressive. His turnover splits last year were very interesting to look at. Near the top of the league in short yardage INTs with 6, but just 1 turnover on deep passes all last year. I don't think Dak throws a great deep ball compared to other QBs, but the guy is extremely smart selecting when to take his shots. On deep balls last year Mahomes had 6 INTs, Allen had 9, Tua 7, Hurts 8. Dak was 2nd fewest in the league in deep ball INTs yet was 4th in the league in yards on deep passes too. The only player that was really better was Stroud who led the league in yards on deep balls, but didnt have any INTs, which both of those stats are crazy for a rookie QB.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Bizarre. Just bizarre. You’re more than blinded by your hate.

Just a couple of days ago .....one of Dak's critics started a thread about 2-3 interceptions he threw in practice. Of several others plied on saying he was in mid-season form. I asked OP if he would also start a thread if Dak threw 2-3 TDs in practice, but he never answered. My point is not so much a couple of TDs or interceptions during training camp, that will happen but sometimes his critic's bias is over the top with pettiness.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Compared to most QBs I wouldn't even say Dak is aggressive, even the current version of him. Most of his INTs seem to come on simple bad reads, option routes where QB/WR just were not on the same page, or when he does get aggressive is when playing from behind like in the SF game. I think you were spot on in your previous post about Dak loving the blitz, hating the deep shell coverages. You give Dak an open part of the field and he can tear up a defense if they are not well disguised. I think this is where some of the contradicting thoughts about Dak being bad against zone coverage yet his numbers against zone come from. I don't have a source that shows that specific of charting, but I would assume Dak's numbers are significantly boosted by zone blitz's whereas a straight cover 4 probably show a lot of check down throws.

Where Dak is such a good player, one of the best in the league is deciding when to be aggressive. His turnover splits last year were very interesting to look at. Near the top of the league in short yardage INTs with 6, but just 1 turnover on deep passes all last year. I don't think Dak throws a great deep ball compared to other QBs, but the guy is extremely smart selecting when to take his shots. On deep balls last year Mahomes had 6 INTs, Allen had 9, Tua 7, Hurts 8. Dak was 2nd fewest in the league in deep ball INTs yet was 4th in the league in yards on deep passes too. The only player that was really better was Stroud who led the league in yards on deep balls, but didnt have any INTs, which both of those stats are crazy for a rookie QB.

your on point here, the other thing is when a D goes into a 4 shell you have to able to run the ball..does this excuse Dak's bad plays no but no QB looks good when the D can stop the run and rush 4 and cover with 7 its a fools errand.

 

[Rockport]

Because i have seen this same crap every year! He balls out vs our D that's installing new concepts and beats up on the nfc east only to lose against playoff teams.

 

[Established1971]

give him 65 million a year!

 

[Rockport]

You only prove my point. He can recognize a blitz for sure...but he also is a bonafide, certified choker. So, the only explanation for pretty good regular season play against sorry teams vs. his dependably horrible play against better teams and in the playoffs, must be PRESSURE.

My point STANDS.

Facts say otherwise but I get you’re blinded by your hate and refuse to acknowledge the facts. So hate on bro.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Compared to most QBs I wouldn't even say Dak is aggressive, even the current version of him. Most of his INTs seem to come on simple bad reads, option routes where QB/WR just were not on the same page, or when he does get aggressive is when playing from behind like in the SF game. I think you were spot on in your previous post about Dak loving the blitz, hating the deep shell coverages. You give Dak an open part of the field and he can tear up a defense if they are not well disguised. I think this is where some of the contradicting thoughts about Dak being bad against zone coverage yet his numbers against zone come from. I don't have a source that shows that specific of charting, but I would assume Dak's numbers are significantly boosted by zone blitz's whereas a straight cover 4 probably show a lot of check down throws.

Where Dak is such a good player, one of the best in the league is deciding when to be aggressive. His turnover splits last year were very interesting to look at. Near the top of the league in short yardage INTs with 6, but just 1 turnover on deep passes all last year. I don't think Dak throws a great deep ball compared to other QBs, but the guy is extremely smart selecting when to take his shots. On deep balls last year Mahomes had 6 INTs, Allen had 9, Tua 7, Hurts 8. Dak was 2nd fewest in the league in deep ball INTs yet was 4th in the league in yards on deep passes too. The only player that was really better was Stroud who led the league in yards on deep balls, but didnt have any INTs, which both of those stats are crazy for a rookie QB.

Good post Thunderpimp!

 

[thunderpimp91]

your on point here, the other thing is when a D goes into a 4 shell you have to able to run the ball..does this excuse Dak's bad plays no but no QB looks good when the D can stop the run and rush 4 and cover with 7 its a fools errand.

Absolutely. This team has been at its best when the run game has been there, both under Dak and Romo. A consistent run game that can beat a soft box is crucial to keeping a defense honest...especially in the post season.

 

[Rockport]

How come Dak and the offense can't give the Def a lead in the first half (minus the tb game) of a playoff game? You go back and look at all the losses and its the offense doing squat in the first half..

Because they’re one dimensional. Dak’s it. No running game when it‘s really needed. Can’t win against good teams when you’re one dimensional. Maybe you don’t know this but if you can run the ball effectively when it matters, teams will start playing 8 or more in the box. Then play action becomes effective and Dak’s one of the best at play action passing. When you can’t run the ball effectively, they don’t need to play 8 in the box and can attack the passing game. It’s basic football 101 that you and many here don’t seem to understand. You’d rather express your hate all on 1 person and blame him. It makes you look silly.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Absolutely. This team has been at its best when the run game has been there, both under Dak and Romo. A consistent run game that can beat a soft box is crucial to keeping a defense honest...especially in the post season.

100%

 

[Rockport]

Just a couple of days ago .....one of Dak's critics started a thread about 2-3 interceptions he threw in practice. Of several others plied on saying he was in mid-season form. I asked OP if he would also start a thread if Dak threw 2-3 TDs in practice, but he never answered. My point is not so much a couple of TDs or interceptions during training camp, that will happen but sometimes his critic's bias is over the top with pettiness.

Yeah most of em or two-faced depending on which way the Dak hate is blowing.

 

[RoboQB]

A few days ago he was 11-19 with 2 ints in 7on7.

 

[Qcard]

How come Dak and the offense can't give the Def a lead in the first half (minus the tb game) of a playoff game? You go back and look at all the losses and its the offense doing squat in the first half..

How about the offense gave a tie ball game to the defense..

 

[Rockport]

How about the offense gave a tie ball game to the defense..

He doesn’t understand that there’s 53 players on the team and 11 on the field at any given time. Blinded by hate and if he doesn’t address it he’ll end up like Mountainweird. Maybe he already is.

 

[shabazz]

Because they’re one dimensional. Dak’s it. No running game when it‘s really needed. Can’t win against good teams when you’re one dimensional.

This is one of the most concerning things. With no running game a QB is going to eventually put the ball in harms way and probably have too many attempts.

This is a far cry from last year when MM declared that we would be running the ball more. We've done best when it's been balanced and Dak throws the ball around 30 times a game

Well just have to see how goes from game to game

 

[Mikexike]

Because they’re one dimensional. Dak’s it. No running game when it‘s really needed. Can’t win against good teams when you’re one dimensional. Maybe you don’t know this but if you can run the ball effectively when it matters, teams will start playing 8 or more in the box. Then play action becomes effective and Dak’s one of the best at play action passing. When you can’t run the ball effectively, they don’t need to play 8 in the box and can attack the passing game. It’s basic football 101 that you and many here don’t seem to understand. You’d rather express your hate all on 1 person and blame him. It makes you look silly.

You are silly, and what has dak done with one of the best o lines and run game? Nada… same crap.

 

[aikemirv]

If only he could play that way WITH PRESSURE.

This is like posting Shaq made 10 free throws in a row...in an empty gym.

I doubt Shaq ever made 10 FT's in a row in his lifetime - empty gym or not!