Can 9 year veteran Dak Prescott lead today's Dallas Cowboys to a Super Bowl?

[Hadenough]

Dak isn't mediocre. Unless phil Simms and Jared Goff are....

You're asking for a John elway or Josh Allen.

Good luck because that type of QB only comes around every 30 years.

I honestly don't know what you're even arguing.

Moving on from a 2nd tier franchise QB is fundamentally stupid.

If there's an Aaron Rodgers situation where a great QB prospect slips in the draft, obviously take the QB... Until then I don't understand your point.


Build the damn trenches

Dak is borderline horrible as a playoff QB. Yeah you do move on from a guy like that.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Dak isn't mediocre. Unless phil Simms and Jared Goff are....

You're asking for a John elway or Josh Allen.

Good luck because that type of QB only comes around every 30 years.

I honestly don't know what you're even arguing.

Moving on from a 2nd tier franchise QB is fundamentally stupid.

If there's an Aaron Rodgers situation where a great QB prospect slips in the draft, obviously take the QB... Until then I don't understand your point.


Build the damn trenches

Lets take Goff as an example. He has weaknesses, as does Dak.

Now with Goff, his much publicized weakness is that when he's physically pressured his stats fall off a cliff.......so the Lions build an O-Line.

So what about Dak, what does he need.....or more accurately what can he do without. His recent play-off history indicates that when EVERYTHING goes right (Bucc's), he's HoF. However, when he steps out of that comfort zone, and that includes (receivers, O-Line protection, running game, run defense (that limits his time to come back), defense in general that puts us needing a TD+).

Build the trenches, HECK YES, but is that enough?

It really doesnt matter what tier Dak's in. If we cant win, due to his skillset, especially with the limited resources his contract affords then its time to move on.

Saying that he has the opportunity to change the mind of us 'Skeptic'.....he's got a decent Offense, an Offense that a top paid veteran QB should be able to spark.

 

[NotForLong]

As w/ all Dak threads, this one has done the usual degrading into monumental stupidity.

Yup. 10 years later and there are idiot fans who still believe . . .

Monumental stupidity at its finest

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But the Chiefs didnt have to have the 'Perfect team/weapons'. Limited passing and run games. We have seen that Dak needs both........he's got that for 2025, lets hope, because this is his best chance (he isnt getting any better). 2025 is a prove where we are......if we pass the (Offensive tests)......we look to Defensive side of the ball,

they didn't because they have Mahomes. a once in a generation QB, who if he leaves today will be first ballor HOFer and some say he will challenge Brady for being the GOAT.

your complaint is why Dak doesn't play like Mahomes...and if he did we would have won so many championships..... is that your complaint? you want Mahomes?

no one ever claimed Dak is Mahomes and if they did, they need to examine their heads or put them in a mental institution. Dak is limited, so is every other QB not named Mahomes. everyone salivates and gushes over Lamar Jackson and he is 3-5 in the playoffs, just one win better than Dak. and he plays for one of the best organizations in the NFL. like I said, Dak hasn't done it. he has had opportunities. but I will reiterate, its not 100% on him. there are holes in this team that have led to the debacle of the past 30 years and that's undisputable. no one in their right mind would be able to deny that fact.

let me repeat. Dak is not mahomes. nobody is mahomes today. not even allen. not even burrows. Mahomes is in a tier by himself and then there is everybody else. to complain why Mahomes has done it with less, but Dak can't is utterly stupid.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well, yes, but again you're looking at the organization being perfect (you're now outing McClay as he was Mazi's sponsor).I agree that the Defense looks to have holes, but this years focus is getting the Offense working (in a way, forget about results) but get the Offense set first.
With injury come backs from: Overshown, Revel, Diggs and the development of the pass-rush, with Ezeiruaku, I expect the Defense (with 2026 investment), to make a real leap.

I am not looking for perfect. I am looking for smarter. we drafted Mazi and called it a day. in the meantime Eagles drafted two DTs in back to back drafts in the top 15. that's being smart. understanding where to invest that leads to success. we have UDFAs as back ups for saftey position. in fact we have more UDFAs playing critical roles on this team than any other team in the NFL.

and Jerry always works on offense. because offense sells. offense puts butts in seats. offense sells jersey's. he didn't even think parsons was going to be as good as he is, because he actually traded down a spot. if he valued him and understood what he is capable of, he would have just taken him. people will argue it was only one spot and he was guaranteed to have him and he got another pick for it, but Giant could have recieved a greater offer and traded out and somebody else could have taken Parsons.

Overshown is over rated. he has missed more games due to injuries than he has played and even then he was just good, not great. our LBs are so bad, that people get excited about overshown.
lets see what Revel can do first. I have hopes for him.
I don't like Diggs. I was never as impressed as everybody else. he is a risk taker and made his name by taking risks and getting interceptions, yet giving up a bunch of big plays to offset those big plays he made. when he stopped taking risks, he didn't give up big plays, he became just a good CB and he got over paid. way over paid. he hates to tackle and this is NFL Football. you have to tackle. I want him gone.
I hope Eze can help alleviate Parsons from playing DE so much, as he gets worn out over the course of the season.

so right now we are heavy on DE. suck at DT, LB and safties. OK at CB because we have three coming off major injuries. it remains to be seen how they will do.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Starting point, yes Jerry/Jones is the problem, however, unless he shows something this year, Dak is the second most pressing issue)..

What YOU forget about the Chiefs is that they have a superior QB who's: mobility, ability to extend plays, playing out of the pocket, arm and pretty much keeps the team in the game ...... allows their owner to not have to flood the Offense with talent at every unit (oh and there's the lesser CAP Hit).

If you want the alternative viewpoint, the Eagles were able to win the SB (with a really limited QB, but a QB that's got a limited CAP Hit ..... $31m lesser CAP hit than Dak).

Unfortunately, Dak lies in the middle: too costly to build an Eagles type roster, and too limited in ability to perform without a shed full of resources throughout the Offense.

Dak isnt the solution......unless he proves us wrong in 2025, this is his best chance.

I think I responded the same in another comment.
Mahomes is generational. he is in a class by himself. its him and then there is everybody else. to complain and contrast that Mahomes did this and that, is unfair to every other QB.
and you shouldn't complain why isn't Dak playing like mahomes. hey, look over there and see what he does. again, generational talent.

and eagles won it because they just handed hurts a new contract. everybody pushes money to the back end, they other redo the contract and extend or they take a big hit and rebuild. Dak had a cap hit of 17,19, 25M and we didn't have the right team to get it done. now its much tougher. so to complain about the cap is just looking at this very moment, where history of what happened and future are important part of the discussion.

and I think if we would have done it, then it was this past contract. now Jerry cornered himself. left nobody under contract and was forced to pay Dak again. and his roster building abilities leave a LOT to be desired.

Dak isn't the solution. I don't think anyone is the solution here. you bring up hurts, but hurts wouldn't win in dallas. I don't think Mahomes would win in dallas. because Jerry would find a way to screw that up too.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

When I say pedigree I'm talking in first round. Yes there have been a lot of failures but you must do your research and realize that it's ok to trade 3 first round picks to move up and draft a franchise QB.
And if you fail you recover just like the Eagles and Rams and 49ers have done by continuing to try and find that franchise QB. Just for example when Bakerfield Mayfield became available the Cowboys should of taken a good look at him. He had shown he had more physical talent than Prescott. The problem in Dallas is they find one QB that can make a few plays and that's it they found their guy and stop looking. Too many people in this forum act like trading 3 first round picks is the kiss of death for the next 10 years and will cripple a franchise. That's only if you let it. The teams that win in the playoffs have top first round QBs. I believe Hurts was a 2nd round pick. He was there for the taking and Dallas just passed on him. At the very least you take a flyer on a guy like that.

that's called talent evaluation and we aren't the best at it. and again, 80% of first round QBs fail. again, not saying we shouldn't draft one. but we have to draft often, every three or 4 years. keep in mind, that Mahomes fell to the 12th spot, meaning 11 teams didn't think he was good enough. some team evaluated Turbiskey to be a better QB and he went 2nd. Allen was the 3rd QB taken. every so many years, there is an almost can't miss candidate like Burrows and you need to have the top pick to get one (ala Aikman).

and I agree, Dallas roster building and draft strategy leaves a lot to be desired. however, if you trade 3 first round picks for one player, you better be 100% sure he is the guy, because if you didn't evaluate properly, you are screwed for at least 5,6 years after that.

also, I don't thinks Hurts is really that far above Dak. Hurts wouldn't win anything in Dallas. he has been able to make things happen when everything is perfect around him (dak hasn't). but we know things are never perfect in Dallas. Hurts wouldn't be the answer to Dallas' woes

 

[CowboyoWales]

Dak isn't the solution. I don't think anyone is the solution here. you bring up hurts, but hurts wouldn't win in dallas. I don't think Mahomes would win in dallas. because Jerry would find a way to screw that up too.

So if that's the case, why continue with Dak, he's had his chance and it fails, he also drains CAP%. Try the alternative, by doing a Hurts or Dak 2016.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So if that's the case, why continue with Dak, he's had his chance and it fails, he also drains CAP%. Try the alternative, by doing a Hurts or Dak 2016.

I never said we shouldn't. Before last year, I advocated for Dak and Dallas to walk away from each other. it would be the best thing for both. but it didn't happen.
and the cap has to be managed. there is not a lot of difference between 55 and 60M. its 5M that needs to be managed. if Jerry and stephen can't do that, then they suck way more than I thought.

this is not advocating in any way that Dak is worth 60 or not. its just that if cap is managed properly then 5M is not the issue between being competitive and sucking.

Hurts wouldn't win in Dallas. no way. we have seen when things aren't perfect around him, he struggles. but when they are perfect, then he can deliver. that's the difference between the two of them. things are never perfect in dallas. that's not debatable.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I am not looking for perfect. I am looking for smarter. we drafted Mazi and called it a day. in the meantime Eagles drafted two DTs in back to back drafts in the top 15. that's being smart. understanding where to invest that leads to success. we have UDFAs as back ups for saftey position. in fact we have more UDFAs playing critical roles on this team than any other team in the NFL.

and Jerry always works on offense. because offense sells. offense puts butts in seats. offense sells jersey's. he didn't even think parsons was going to be as good as he is, because he actually traded down a spot. if he valued him and understood what he is capable of, he would have just taken him. people will argue it was only one spot and he was guaranteed to have him and he got another pick for it, but Giant could have recieved a greater offer and traded out and somebody else could have taken Parsons.

Overshown is over rated. he has missed more games due to injuries than he has played and even then he was just good, not great. our LBs are so bad, that people get excited about overshown.
lets see what Revel can do first. I have hopes for him.
I don't like Diggs. I was never as impressed as everybody else. he is a risk taker and made his name by taking risks and getting interceptions, yet giving up a bunch of big plays to offset those big plays he made. when he stopped taking risks, he didn't give up big plays, he became just a good CB and he got over paid. way over paid. he hates to tackle and this is NFL Football. you have to tackle. I want him gone.
I hope Eze can help alleviate Parsons from playing DE so much, as he gets worn out over the course of the season.

so right now we are heavy on DE. suck at DT, LB and safties. OK at CB because we have three coming off major injuries. it remains to be seen how they will do.

So you've totally dissed the whole Defense....so it's upto Dak and the Offense to show what they can do.....as the only way we'll get deep into the playoffs is if we heavily upgrade the Defense = 2025 is probably as good an Offense Dak's going to get.......so pressure's on for him to make it work.

Then again, IF Dak and the Offense fails in 2025 I doubt that Jerry does the right thing and accept he's failed: triggers the end of Daks contract in 2027, bite on the $40m loss in 2026 (but save on $100m salary) between 2027/2028) and employs a GM to build again.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Hurts wouldn't win in Dallas. no way. we have seen when things aren't perfect around him, he struggles. but when they are perfect, then he can deliver. that's the difference between the two of them. things are never perfect in dallas. that's not debatable.

The thing is, we dont know whether Hurts would win in Dallas, whereas all the Dak votes have been counted.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I never said we shouldn't. Before last year, I advocated for Dak and Dallas to walk away from each other. it would be the best thing for both. but it didn't happen.

Ok, if we take that as your starting point, and how you've just decried pretty much our whole Defense, even add in that we're not getting Jerry to step down and going back to the OP (whether we can win a SB with Dak).......when do you cut ties with Dak and look to rebuilding?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Moving on from a 2nd tier franchise QB is fundamentally stupid.

2-5 in the playoffs is a 2nd tier franchise QB now?

The highest paid player in the history of the league is a 2nd tier franchise QB now?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So you've totally dissed the whole Defense....so it's upto Dak and the Offense to show what they can do.....as the only way we'll get deep into the playoffs is if we heavily upgrade the Defense = 2025 is probably as good an Offense Dak's going to get.......so pressure's on for him to make it work.

Then again, IF Dak and the Offense fails in 2025 I doubt that Jerry does the right thing and accept he's failed: triggers the end of Daks contract in 2027, bite on the $40m loss in 2026 (but save on $100m salary) between 2027/2028) and employs a GM to build again.

wait. what? how did I diss the defense? I said over and over that we are not good at building a team. we draft a crappy DT, know he is garbage and call it a day. in the meantime Eagles draft two top 15 DTs two years in a row!!! and if we are going to only rely on offense, the best we are going to get is into the playoffs and lose. defense wins championships. its been proven so many times that again, not debatable. and offense will score some points. but if defense is crap, we look like the 2020 team. worst defense in history of the league to start the season. we scored bunch of points but lost too many games and had to pull rabbits out of a hat for one of them.

and Jerry will never accept that he failed. he will spin it. talk around it. and create hope as he does. I said it mid last season when things were falling apart, that Jerry is going to make a few moves to bring the fans. his first move was for Mingo, which was utterly stupid. and then he traded for Pickens to generate headlines.

and Jerry until he is dead or completely senile will not relinquish control. the problem is Stephen might actually be worse than him. Dak will be gone. you all will celebrate. and this team will continue to suck and half the folks who blamed dak will find something new to blame. the other half will find excuses.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The thing is, we dont know whether Hurts would win in Dallas, whereas all the Dak votes have been counted.

we will never see it. but based on what I have seen happen to date, Hurts would not win in Dallas. 99.999999% sure given nothing is ever 100%

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Ok, if we take that as your starting point, and how you've just decried pretty much our whole Defense, even add in that we're not getting Jerry to step down and going back to the OP (whether we can win a SB with Dak).......when do you cut ties with Dak and look to rebuilding?

I didn't decry the whole defense. you are just fishing for something that's not there. youhave blamed dak 100% for all the post season failures. I have said it multiple times that no player bares 100% of the blame. that is not debatable in any form or fashing.
my point agan that it wasn't 100% dak. he bared more of the blame, but that the rest of team bares blame too. end of story. defense shares the blame as well. I gave you a couple of examples and now its you decried the whole defense!!! give me a break dude.

you are trying to take pieces of the comment, stictch it together to say I am blaming defense and not blaming Dak at all.

so come out and say once and for all that the defense bared zero responsibility for any post season losses. say it was 100% dak.

when should we cut ties with Dak? should have already happened. reality is no matter how many time people on this board click their heels, nobody is going back to kansas. Jerry will see this contract to the end. Jerry doesn't like to let players go early and have dead cap money. he feels like he is paying for the same position twice. now, the only way I can see him cut ties with Dak, is if Dak's jersey sales drop two years in a row. then he can't justify the ROI and he may, think about cutting ties sooner than later. by then, its already last year of the contract.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak is borderline horrible as a playoff QB. Yeah you do move on from a guy like that.

but he was top 10 in Jersey sales. the ROI is worth the investment.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yup. 10 years later and there are idiot fans who still believe . . .

Monumental stupidity at its finest

30 years and counting and there are fans who believe Jerry can build a winner.

Monumental stupidity at its finest.

 

[Hadenough]

but he was top 10 in Jersey sales. the ROI is worth the investment.

No doubt but he's fading quick. People aren't buying into him anymore. I heard Jayden Daniels was the #1 selling Jersey this past year.

 

[CowboyoWales]

so come out and say once and for all that the defense bared zero responsibility for any post season losses. say it was 100% dak.

The Defense, mostly the secondary were heavily to blame for the loss vrs the Packers, but even then, Daks lack of composure contributed to the loss.
Similarly, the two SF games, the run defense allowed the 9ers to run the clock down, but AGAIN Dak had the ball in his hands 3 or 4 times to win one and tie the other game.
It's these 'failures/coming up short' that puts Dak, not so much the problem category, but in the NOT THE SOLUTION....but I guess you agree on that, as you yourself agreed that we should of parted ways after 2023 (or at least after the contract ended in 2024)?