Can Dallas win a Super Bowl with RB By Committee?

[jnday]

Doesn't matter if our defense gives up 75 points in a loss, you'll still find a way to blame the run game. I'll put a 100$ donation to CZ our run game doesn't keep us from the playoffs though. You down?

You make it St. Jude's and up it to $1000 we might talk. I hope they do make the playoffs, but the running game will not be as strong and it will cost them.

 

[5Stars]

You make it St. Jude's and up it to $1000 we might talk. I hope they do make the playoffs, but the running game will not be as strong and it will cost them.

Let's make it $5000.00, or $10,000.00...you know, something that nobody would accept. Nice way to wiggle out of a simple gentleman bet! lol

 

[jnday]

The thing I don't get is why is it Murray that's always "softening up" the defense and never the offensive line? Do the offensive linemen not hit the defenders?

Richard Sherman made a couple comments that would answer this question.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I agree. Why is it so hard for posters to see that in this particular offense, the running game is just as important as the QB? After watching the 90's Cowboys, this fanbass should be the first to recognize and embrace this type of offense and know what a top RB with a top line can accomplish. I understand the younger fans because all they know is that this is a "passing league". They don't realize that a RB can be the second most important player on the offense. That is why so many post have been started about the Pats RBBC and other teams that depend on mostly QB play. Romo is at his best when he is not forcing the ball and trying to make plays.

Absolutely.

 

[jnday]

Let's make it $5000.00, or $10,000.00...you know, something that nobody would accept. Nice way to wiggle out of a simple gentleman bet! lol

The defense was better in every single statistical category on a per drive basis. When you ignore that fact, the difference in playcalling, and the dominance of the OL to try and further your agenda, then yes, that is by definition trolling.

The defense was better due to being fresh. It was not a great addition of of talent or scheme that helped them. The running game kept them off the field so that they wasn't exposed.

 

[KJJ]

In 2011 the Rams had the worst run defense that year and probably the worst tackling percentage ever. Every teams RB looked all world against them that year. Murray gain 91 yards the 2nd time he touched the ball in that game on a hole that just about any running back in the league would have scored on. And by the way, "he left a lot of meat on the bone" on several runs after. He actually just fell down on one of his break away runs. He should have had well over 300 yards that game.

And by the way, that "transitional OL in 2011 that was average at best", was actually the 9th best run blocking line that year.

Makes no difference how bad the Rams run defense was no back they faced that season abused them like Murray did. The Bucs rush defense ranked even worse than the Rams and no back put up 250 plus on them. Any back may have been able get 18 yards on that play but Murray put a move on the DB at the 28 yard line that made him look like he was trying to tackle Barry Sanders. It took vision, speed and cutback ability to pull off that run. Not any average back can make a move like Murray did without breaking stride. Once he put that "now you see me now you don't" move on the DB it was over! Murray made a lot of terrific runs with that same move. He set a franchise record for rushing yards last season out rushing his opposition by over 500 yards and you have many here crying that he left yards on the field. Never seen a group of fans more ungrateful to a player who was arguably the teams MVP who helped the Cowboys to one of the best seasons they've had in years. Hopefully he leaves some yards on the field when he plays against us and not on his stat count. As for the OL it was in transition if the Cowboys felt comfortable with it as it was they wouldn't have used two more #1 picks on the OL.

 

[5Stars]

The defense was better due to being fresh. It was not a great addition of of talent or scheme that helped them. The running game kept them off the field so that they wasn't exposed.

This is true...but, that running game was not all Murray. Last years team was a combination of a lot of things.

A better oline due to the addition of Martin.

Less injuries on both sides of the ball...in a long time, aside from Sean Lee.

A commitment to the run.

Another year from Romo's bad disk problem in his back.

Maybe the schedule? I don't know about that. And many more factors that cannot be qualified by us couch GM's.

But, my reasoning is that it is not a one man show that makes a team.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Any back may have been able get 18 yards on that play but Murray put a move on the DB at the 28 yard line that made him look like he was trying to tackle Barry Sanders. It took vision, speed and cutback ability to pull off that run. Not any average back can make a move like Murray did without breaking stride.

First let me say this, I love Murray and wish we could have found a way to keep him. I just love his punishing style.

With that being said, you sure are sensationalizing a very simple and basic move done by many of running backs in this league. The Strong safety was coming up on two players engaged in a block and had to pick what side to attack. He had to decide was Murray going straight or going to cut to the outside of the block. He choose wrong and simply slipped when he adjusted to attack Murray. The weak side safety was driving hard from the outside and a very simple and soft cut by Murray (which had the angle) he flow by. Those are very basic moves done by most RB's.

You really said Barry Sanders. I'm LMAO!

As for the OL it was in transition if the Cowboys felt comfortable with it as it was they wouldn't have used two more #1 picks on the OL.

You called them "average at best", I was just correcting you by stating they were 9th in run blocking that year. I think that's a lot "better then average"!

 

[Redball Express]

(Originally posted by ekitchin):

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Here is a look back at the primary running games of the last ten Super Bowl champions:


Attempts Yards
05 Pittsburgh:
Willie Green 255 1022
Jerome Bettis 110 368
Verron Hayes 74 274


2006 Indy:
Joseph Addai 226 1081
Dominic Rhodes 187 641


2007 NYG:
Brandon Jacobs 202 1009
Derrick Ward 125 602
Reuben Droughns 85 275


2008 Pittsburgh:
Willie Parker 210 791
Mewelde Moore 140 588


2009 New Orleans:
Mike Bell 172 654
Pierre Thomas 147 793
Reggie Bush 70 390


2010 GB:
Brandon Jackson 190 703
John Kuhn 84 281
Aaron Rodgers 64 356


2011 NYG:
Ahmad Bradshaw 171 659
Brandon Jacobs 152 571
Danny Ware 46 163


2012 Baltimore:
Ray Rice 257 1143
Bernard Pierce 108 532


2013 Seattle:
Marshawn Lynch 301 1257
Russell Wilson 96 539
Robert Turbin 77 264


2014 NE:
Shane Vereen 96 391
Stevan Ridley 94 340
Jonas Gray 89 412
Lagarrett Blount 60 281


Most are pointing to questions about the run game as the greatest worry about this team. In my opinion Dallas has a superior offensive line to any of the past ten champs and our current backs are comparable to most of them from a talent perspective. Unless a great deal drops in our lap (AP), I'm content to let this play out in order to see what we have on the roster, we can always make moves later if needed and still get it done.

Here we go..

again.

This obsession about the RB (aka DeMarco Murray) has to stop.

This concern about do we have what we need to get better or even match 2014..

is so crazy.

It needs to stop.

The running game in all the great Cowboy teams didn't ever factor as much as this 2015 version.

Calvin Hill, Duane Thomas, Tony Dorsett, Don Perkins, Ron Springs, Hershel Walker,
Preston Pearson..

Emmitt Smith, too.

All had to complement great QB's and clearly above average defenses years in the making.

I'm sorry, but as good as we played last year..

I do not think the expectation should be higher now.

We are still several positions away from being a SB contender.

The defense is not ready.

The QB while improved has tendency when the pressure rests on him..

something happens were he gets hurt or desparately tries to force the issue like he did with the Dez/GB late game int..

and we limp off the football scene.

So when you make the comparison to other teams winning or losing running by committee ..

part of the committee is not set up behind the QB and some of the committee is on the sideline taking a blow.

My point is, yes, really we need a dominant RB to do what we want.

And we need a dominant QB to do it.

I do not think Romo is that guy.

And our defense is still another draft at least from being a top 10 one.

So RB whatever.

We still lack too much right now to really be what some of us geek ourselves to be.

We do this every year.

Let's wait.

I want to be surprised, brothers.

Not manuvered by this team and the media into more disappointment.

This team still has a lot to prove for me.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The defense was better due to being fresh. It was not a great addition of of talent or scheme that helped them. The running game kept them off the field so that they wasn't exposed.

No question that the philosophy of the offensive helped keep the defense fresh. However simply looking at the talent on the respective defensive lines the '14 defense made a big leap in overall talent as compared to the '13 defense. The number of snaps that went to guys that simply couldn't play went from about 2,500 in '13 to 1/3 of that in '14. And my hope for '15 is that not only will the number snaps going to poor players continues to drop along with a guy or two becoming good to very good.

 

[ShiningStar]

(Originally posted by ekitchin):

*****​

Here is a look back at the primary running games of the last ten Super Bowl champions:


Attempts Yards
05 Pittsburgh:
Willie Green 255 1022
Jerome Bettis 110 368
Verron Hayes 74 274


2006 Indy:
Joseph Addai 226 1081
Dominic Rhodes 187 641


2007 NYG:
Brandon Jacobs 202 1009
Derrick Ward 125 602
Reuben Droughns 85 275


2008 Pittsburgh:
Willie Parker 210 791
Mewelde Moore 140 588


2009 New Orleans:
Mike Bell 172 654
Pierre Thomas 147 793
Reggie Bush 70 390


2010 GB:
Brandon Jackson 190 703
John Kuhn 84 281
Aaron Rodgers 64 356


2011 NYG:
Ahmad Bradshaw 171 659
Brandon Jacobs 152 571
Danny Ware 46 163


2012 Baltimore:
Ray Rice 257 1143
Bernard Pierce 108 532


2013 Seattle:
Marshawn Lynch 301 1257
Russell Wilson 96 539
Robert Turbin 77 264


2014 NE:
Shane Vereen 96 391
Stevan Ridley 94 340
Jonas Gray 89 412
Lagarrett Blount 60 281


Most are pointing to questions about the run game as the greatest worry about this team. In my opinion Dallas has a superior offensive line to any of the past ten champs and our current backs are comparable to most of them from a talent perspective. Unless a great deal drops in our lap (AP), I'm content to let this play out in order to see what we have on the roster, we can always make moves later if needed and still get it done.

There is NO set formula to winning any game or SB. None.

 

[KJJ]

First let me say this, I love Murray and wish we could have found a way to keep him. I just love his punishing style.

With that being said, you sure are sensationalizing a very simple and basic move done by many of running backs in this league. The Strong safety was coming up on two players engaged in a block and had to pick what side to attack. He had to decide was Murray going straight or going to cut to the outside of the block. He choose wrong and simply slipped when he adjusted to attack Murray. The weak side safety was driving hard from the outside and a very simple and soft cut by Murray (which had the angle) he flow by. Those are very basic moves done by most RB's.

You really said Barry Sanders. I'm LMAO!



You called them "average at best", I was just correcting you by stating they were 9th in run blocking that year. I think that's a lot "better then average"!

You accuse me of sensationalizing a move done in full stride that's far from basic but here you are talking up the OL that was clearly in transition 4 years ago. Rankings can be misleading and the one you gave is misleading or the Cowboys wouldn't have added two more #1 picks to their OL. That 9th best run blocking ranking had something to do with Murray unless you want to give the credit "entirely" to the OL? An OL can make a back look good at times and a back can make the OL appear better than it was in some games. Murray produced 601 yards in 4 games in 2011. Had the OL been solid during Murray's first 3 seasons he wouldn't have had to circle and cut back so often to try and free himself. I mentioned the play he made on opening night vs the Giants in 2012 where he turned a loss into a 48 yard gain and he did it all on his own. As for his 91 TD yard run vs the Rams it took speed, vision and instincts and if a back lacks one of those ingredients that play doesn't happen. Nothing was basic about that run and the defender slightly slipped after Murray fooled him and got past him. The play below is from the season opener vs the Giants in 2012 are you going to try and spin this was a basic play any back could make? LOL

 

[KJJ]

You called them "average at best", I was just correcting you by stating they were 9th in run blocking that year. I think that's a lot "better then average"!

The OL was average at best in 2011 despite the ranking you gave because it's one of those rankings that's misleading. A team with defensive issues doesn't keep adding #1 picks to their OL if it's a lot better than average.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

You accuse me of sensationalizing a move done in full stride that's far from basic but here you are talking up the OL that was clearly in transition 4 years ago. Rankings can be misleading and the one you gave is misleading or the Cowboys wouldn't have added two more #1 picks to their OL. That 9th best run blocking ranking had something to do with Murray unless you want to give the credit "entirely" to the OL? An OL can make a back look good at times and a back can make the OL appear better than it was in some games. Murray produced 601 yards in 4 games in 2011. Had the OL been solid during Murray's first 3 seasons he wouldn't have had to circle and cut back so often to try and free himself. I mentioned the play he made on opening night vs the Giants in 2012 where he turned a loss into a 48 yard gain and he did it all on his own. As for his 91 TD yard run vs the Rams it took speed, vision and instincts and if a back lacks one of those ingredients that play doesn't happen. Nothing was basic about that run and the defender slightly slipped after Murray fooled him and got past him. The play below is from the season opener vs the Giants in 2012 are you going to try and spin this was a basic play any back could make? LOL

Ok

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

The OL was average at best in 2011 despite the ranking you gave because it's one of those rankings that's misleading. A team with defensive issues doesn't keep adding #1 picks to their OL if it's a lot better than average.

Ok again.

 

[jnday]

The defense was better in every single statistical category on a per drive basis. When you ignore that fact, the difference in playcalling, and the dominance of the OL to try and further your agenda, then yes, that is by definition trolling.

Yes they was better on paper. They was fresh. No running game and they would have been exposed much more and the stats wouldn't look so good. What do you think the record would have been without the running game?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yes they was better on paper. They was fresh. No running game and they would have been exposed much more and the stats wouldn't look so good. What do you think the record would have been without the running game?

I'll take a stab at this... the better defense ('14) probably would have earned the team an additional win in '13 if all other things were the same.

 

[jnday]

This is true...but, that running game was not all Murray. Last years team was a combination of a lot of things.

A better oline due to the addition of Martin.

Less injuries on both sides of the ball...in a long time, aside from Sean Lee.

A commitment to the run.

Another year from Romo's bad disk problem in his back.

Maybe the schedule? I don't know about that. And many more factors that cannot be qualified by us couch GM's.

But, my reasoning is that it is not a one man show that makes a team.

Of course. Anybody knows that a good running game is made up of the RB and the line. That is football 101. I am not a Murray fan, but he had a very good year. The mistake made this offseason is not having a RB capable of taking Murray's place.

 

[blindzebra]

Of course. Anybody knows that a good running game is made up of the RB and the line. That is football 101. I am not a Murray fan, but he had a very good year. The mistake made this offseason is not having a RB capable of taking Murray's place.

Too funny.You keep saying you are not a Murray fan so I am guessing this time last year you would not be predicting an 1800 yard season from him, so just how the hell do you know if the backs we have cannot produce similar results?

 

[AdamJT13]

Yes they was better on paper. They was fresh. No running game and they would have been exposed much more and the stats wouldn't look so good. What do you think the record would have been without the running game?

Probably exactly the same. The team that was more effective passing won every game we played last season, regardless of how well each team ran the ball.